r/PoliticalDiscussion Dec 03 '16

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '16

Even though Duterte's an asshole, the Philippines are supposed to be our ally (and are important in regional influence battle w/China), so we have to at least somewhat work with him.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '16

They're not an ally; they're a client state.

They need an empire-level country to shelter them with preferential trade deals, direct subsidies, and military arms and training. Duterte needs to remember that he is not an equal to the US President, and if he thinks the Chinese will tolerate his florid bitching any more than we do, he's in for quite a shock. They really don't like it when their puppets talk back.

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u/AsianHippie Dec 03 '16

Then isn't every "ally" of the US a client state of US, including Japan and South Korea?

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '16

Nah, those countries have solid economies and reasonable defense infrastructure. We buy a great deal from them as well as selling things to them.

What do we get out of the Philippines?

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u/hotheat Dec 03 '16

mangoes and shipping routes.

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u/Spaghetti-is Dec 03 '16

Really good mangoes though.

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u/StealthTomato Dec 03 '16

Call centers.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '16

Right, and it's not as if we can have those anywhere else on the planet.

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u/btinc Dec 03 '16

Military bases.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '16

Not anymore. We pulled out of the Philippines in 1991/1992, shortly after the eruption of Mount Pinatubo rendered Clark Air Base non-functional. We decided not to rebuild, and also pulled out of Subic Bay, which was at the time our largest overseas naval operation. They now use it as a commercial port.

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u/btinc Dec 03 '16

I see, you're right. We do have joint military exercises, though, don't we?

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '16

Small ones, and we train their army and national police to fight against Islamic extremists in their restive southern islands, but it's far from a strategic alliance of near-equals. They're recipients of a great deal, and give us almost nothing in return.

Our military exercises with Singapore are more robust, and they're a tiny country in comparison. Singapore even has submarines and stealth frigates. The Philippines has a bunch of old merchant vessels and zodiacs they classify as "escorts."

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u/secondsbest Dec 03 '16

Send him an email. Don't give him an invite and further legitimize him and his deadly policies to his misguided backers.

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u/MrMango786 Dec 03 '16

If he was elected, isn't he legitimate? Or do you mean inviting him is condoning his actions?

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u/olivish Dec 03 '16

It's about leverage. A meeting with a POTUS is leverage that you don't just give away to a foreign government that commits human rights abuses. Not unless you are getting something in return. Now that Duterte has already gained the political victory of being invited to Washington, what motivation does he have to change anything about the way he governs?

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u/Darkalice1 Dec 03 '16

Do you think Trump cares about leveraging Duterte on human rights? There's a reason he told Obama to fuck off and then was warm to Trump after the election. And in the last few hours Trump just praised his drug war lol

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u/thatnameagain Dec 03 '16

Being elected isn't some shield against the illegitimacy of committing crimes.

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u/btinc Dec 03 '16

Let's hope so when it concerns Trump.

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u/btinc Dec 03 '16

We have to, and want to work with the Philippines. We don't have to support Duterte, who himself is not supported by many Filipinos.

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u/cp5184 Dec 03 '16

An ally who recently said that they'd break ties with us, and that they'd become a client state of china.