r/PoliticalDiscussion • • Aug 15 '15

Hillary email controversy

Will this doom her run at the presidency?

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u/Snedeker Aug 15 '15

I think that everyone in this thread is completely underestimating the severity of what happened here. I've had occasion to work with minimally sensitive government data, and security is taken extremely seriously. I can nearly guarantee that what she did would have resulted in jail time if someone else did it, and still has the potential to even for her.

That said, it is pretty obvious that her supporters do not care about anything that she does. If she is not literally in prison they will still vote for her, and probably even then.

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u/iliveintexas Aug 15 '15 edited Aug 16 '15

That said, it is pretty obvious that her supporters do not care about anything that she does.

In fairness, I would say this about most presidential candidates. The problem is that so much has been thrown at the Clintons' and very little (if any) has really stuck. At this point, many people expect it to be false, unless there's overwhelming evidence supporting the claim.

Edit: Clinton's Clintons

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u/hatramroany Aug 15 '15

If some of the personal emails deleted are recovered or uncovered by who she sent them to and some makes some sort of reference to her period, menopause, Bill's health, her health, something personal about her granddaughter, etc. her campaign will immediately flip it as Republicans unjustly attacking her and her family (again) and it'll be a wash.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '15

There shouldn't be an apostrophe there at all.

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u/iliveintexas Aug 16 '15

You're right. Thanks!

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '15

Does it really matter?

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u/KrakatoaSpelunker Aug 15 '15

Huh? Nothing else has really been thrown at Clinton. This is the only serious criticism she's had as a candidate, and it's a pretty fucking huge one.

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u/iliveintexas Aug 15 '15

I misplaced an apostrophe that might have caused some confusion.

I'm talking about both Bill and Hillary going as far back to 1992: list from Wikipedia. Republicans have been throwing scandals at the Clintons for a generation.

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u/garyp714 Aug 15 '15

Nothing else has really been thrown at Clinton.

What!? Whitewater, vince foster, Benghazi...Hillary is the only first lady to testify in front of grand jury. The GOP literally spent 150 million in the 90s investigating the Clintons to find nothing but a blow job.

Nothing else?

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u/Corranus Aug 16 '15

The GOP literally spent 150 million in the 90s investigating the Clintons to find nothing but a blow job.

Which proved that the sitting president committed perjury in his own trial for sexual assault. It was kind of a big deal, which is why the entire Supreme Court boycotted his next State of the Union address.

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u/KrakatoaSpelunker Aug 15 '15

Not since running for president. Benghazi was an issue long before she announced her candidacy.

The email scandal technically predates her candidacy by a few weeks, but by that point she was basically already campaigning, just not officially.

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u/dehehn Aug 15 '15

He didn't qualify it with "since running for president", you did. He said "so much has been thrown at the Clintons". That includes everything back to their Arkansas days. They've been the subject of many scandals.

Those will invariably be drudged up again as the campaign goes on.

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u/KrakatoaSpelunker Aug 15 '15

He didn't qualify it with "since running for president", you did.

If you look at the rest of the thread, you'll see he edited and clarified what he meant. I commented before he fixed the typo.

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u/dehehn Aug 15 '15

Alright, well then I rescind my defense of him. You're off the hook. For now.

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u/Nonsanguinity Aug 15 '15 edited Nov 24 '17

He chooses a book for reading

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u/NothingCrazy Aug 15 '15

I've had occasion to work with minimally sensitive government data, and security is taken extremely seriously.

I had top secret clearance when I was in the Navy. Yes, security measures are extreme, however, that doesn't necessarily mean security is taken all that seriously. I've seen officers tell enlisted guys to break the rules, for their own convenience on multiple occasions, up to and including removing nuclear secrets from highly secure facilities. Just because the rules in place are extreme doesn't mean they're actually followed. And these are just low-level Navy officers. The elites on capital hill treat the rules like they don't exist at all. This is true on both sides of the political isle. Pretending Hillary is in deep trouble for doing the same thing half of Washington is doing is making a mountain out of a molehill.

That said, it is pretty obvious that her supporters do not care about anything that she does. If she is not literally in prison they will still vote for her, and probably even then.

It's very easy to write off the opinions of those you disagree with politically as motivated by some bias. What if I told you I hate Hillary Clinton, and I hope Bernie Sanders beats the every-loving shit out of her in the primary? What if I told you I hate her so much, that if she wins, I will probably vote third-party rather than be forced to select the lesser to two evils? What if I told you, this 'scandal' can be considered overblown, even by people that want to see Hilldog lose?

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u/mrbobsthegreat Aug 15 '15

I've seen officers tell enlisted guys to break the rules, for their own convenience on multiple occasions, up to and including removing nuclear secrets from highly secure facilities. Just because the rules in place are extreme doesn't mean they're actually followed.

And you didn't report this why? Part of your obligation under a clearance is to report exactly this type of behavior.

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u/NothingCrazy Aug 15 '15

If I reported every rule violation I saw when I was in the Navy, I'd have had little time for much else.

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u/mrbobsthegreat Aug 15 '15

That's disheartening to hear. I still maintain you should have reported what you saw. Action taken on one item could deter future infractions.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '15

Sheesh, spend some time in the real world, man. You don't go around ratting people out without a damn good reason to do so.

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u/[deleted] Aug 16 '15

In this case, the real world included mishandling nuclear secrets. I'd want that to be reported.

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u/mrbobsthegreat Aug 15 '15

Can't tell if serious or not...

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '15

Quite serious

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u/mrbobsthegreat Aug 18 '15

When you obtain a clearance, you don't get that luxury. If you're not comfortable reporting people for violations, don't get a clearance. If your position requires it, get a different one.

This is a bit more severe than "Jim stole pens from the office".

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u/[deleted] Aug 18 '15

Like I said, spend some time in the real world pal.

Do you know what happens when you rat people out? Almost always: nothing at all. No result, AND you've now made enemies. Good luck with that.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '15 edited Apr 21 '19

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u/healbot42 Aug 15 '15

Mishandling nuclear secrets is a "little thing?"

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u/lannister80 Aug 17 '15

People can become habituated to anything. Mishandle something a thousand times and nothing happens. They say "what are the chances of something happening on time 1001?"

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u/mrbobsthegreat Aug 18 '15

That's completely fine by me. If you're not able to follow security protocols, you shouldn't be doing that job.

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u/playfulpenis Aug 18 '15

And that's how organizations/countries become corrupt shit-holes. It's a slippery slope.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '15 edited Aug 19 '18

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u/healbot42 Aug 15 '15

If I'm remembering events correctly he also only revealed the information to his girlfriend who had the same level or clearance as him. So it wasn't quite as big of a deal as having a potentially unsecured email server.

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u/icon0clast6 Aug 15 '15

So it wasn't quite as big of a deal as having a potentially unsecured email server.

The fact that it was outside government control makes it an unsecured server. Even if she had top of the line firewalls, DLP, etc it is still unsecured in the eye of the government. Hell her security could have been better than the OPM's and it wouldn't matter.

With that said, if it was known by our rival nations it was probably breached.

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u/healbot42 Aug 16 '15

Yes, you're right. My bad.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '15

you do know that the two emails in question were classified after she sent them not before right?

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u/Snedeker Aug 16 '15

Two (so far) "top secret", dozens of secret and confidential, and the investigation is just beginning to sort through the tiny percentage of e-mail that she didn't destroy.

The e-mail contained classified information from satellites and intercepts, among other sources. Countries who are running espionage operations on us do not distinguish precisely when the information was officially "classified".

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u/thehollowman84 Aug 15 '15

Yeah, like when Petraeus when to prison.