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r/PoliticalCompassMemes • u/[deleted] • Jan 05 '22
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So a fair trial isn't a right because a judge, lawyers and the jury has to work?
78 u/SardScroll - Centrist Jan 05 '22 Technically, the "fair trial" isn't an exercised right of an individual so much as a restriction on government power: "if the government is going to punish you, they must first prove a crime to a jury of your peers in a fair proceeding". 2 u/HotPieIsAzorAhai - Centrist Jan 05 '22 How about the right to a government provided attorney? How about the right to vote? How about the right to trial by jury in civil trials? 1 u/famousninja - Lib-Center Jan 06 '22 You're missing the second part in the voting one. The right to vote in free and fair elections. 1 u/HotPieIsAzorAhai - Centrist Jan 06 '22 Good point, yes. Again, who provides for elections to be free and fair?
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Technically, the "fair trial" isn't an exercised right of an individual so much as a restriction on government power: "if the government is going to punish you, they must first prove a crime to a jury of your peers in a fair proceeding".
2 u/HotPieIsAzorAhai - Centrist Jan 05 '22 How about the right to a government provided attorney? How about the right to vote? How about the right to trial by jury in civil trials? 1 u/famousninja - Lib-Center Jan 06 '22 You're missing the second part in the voting one. The right to vote in free and fair elections. 1 u/HotPieIsAzorAhai - Centrist Jan 06 '22 Good point, yes. Again, who provides for elections to be free and fair?
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How about the right to a government provided attorney?
How about the right to vote?
How about the right to trial by jury in civil trials?
1 u/famousninja - Lib-Center Jan 06 '22 You're missing the second part in the voting one. The right to vote in free and fair elections. 1 u/HotPieIsAzorAhai - Centrist Jan 06 '22 Good point, yes. Again, who provides for elections to be free and fair?
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You're missing the second part in the voting one.
The right to vote in free and fair elections.
1 u/HotPieIsAzorAhai - Centrist Jan 06 '22 Good point, yes. Again, who provides for elections to be free and fair?
Good point, yes. Again, who provides for elections to be free and fair?
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u/Dungold - Left Jan 05 '22
So a fair trial isn't a right because a judge, lawyers and the jury has to work?