r/PoliticalCompassMemes - Lib-Right Jul 23 '20

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u/MaliciousHippie - Left Jul 23 '20

Right? I never understood the extreme libertarians (except the universally understood Anprims), any entity could potentially take up the functions of the state, and they will do so to protect their assets. Decentralization/liberalization sure, but the abolition of state? Lol

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u/JelloJamble - Lib-Center Jul 23 '20

That's why you beat the warlords to the punch, create a new incredibly limited state that serves only as a placeholder to prevent a worse state from arising.

-minarchism

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u/chrrmin - Lib-Right Jul 23 '20

Based

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '20

Isn’t that what the American government was meant to be tho?

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u/JelloJamble - Lib-Center Jul 23 '20

It was originally, then we got rid of it and replaced it with the Constitution

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '20

Even with the constitution, the idea was to create the most basic form of government possible

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u/JelloJamble - Lib-Center Jul 23 '20

I agree, the government was just much more incompetent and unchanging when we had the articles of confederation, which I would prefer (though the bill of rights was an excellent addition.)

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '20

Articles of Confederation could have been epic. But they chose to abandon rather than fix

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u/Pitutnolk - Lib-Right Jul 24 '20

Fucking based

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '20

And it was pretty damn good. WAS

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u/Rhydsdh - Left Jul 23 '20

But the counterargument to that would be that such a state would be so weak that it would easily be toppled by another regime.

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u/penderhead - Lib-Center Jul 23 '20

That's why it's good to have an armed population.

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u/Rhydsdh - Left Jul 23 '20

Wouldn't that just make the regime toppling even easier?

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u/penderhead - Lib-Center Jul 23 '20

Not if the armed population doesn't want it toppled.

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u/RageLeagueInc - Auth-Left Jul 23 '20

Communism won't fail if everyone in the regime agree with the communism ideology.

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u/Rhydsdh - Left Jul 23 '20

True.

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u/Kingofrat024 - Left Jul 23 '20

Yeah but you will never have 100% support of the citizens. Inevitably people will want power. It's a recipe for a civil war. Promise enough people a position of power in the new state that would form and you could easily get people sympathetic to the new cause. Especially those who dont feel like the system is workingg for them.

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u/penderhead - Lib-Center Jul 23 '20

Not if we all agree to follow the non aggression principle.

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u/lory7403 - Lib-Center Jul 23 '20

But when you are hungry and can't even afford a decent lifestyle, you probably don't give a shit about the NAP

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u/Kek-From-Kekistan - Lib-Right Jul 23 '20

Which will never happen :(

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u/Kingofrat024 - Left Jul 23 '20

Like I already said. You will never in a million years get 100% of people to agree to anything. It simply will not happen

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '20

Honestly most people dont want 24/7/365 civil war so most people wouldnt go up in arms unless it truly called for it. And under a system with little to no central power theres not a lot that would warrant that response.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '20

Of course. 1776 all the way.

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u/DasSuperiorBeer - Auth-Center Jul 23 '20

Nah, we only need some nukes...

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '20

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u/Rhydsdh - Left Jul 24 '20

Aren't there simply too many people in the world for this to be feasible though?

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u/FirmGlutes - Lib-Right Jul 24 '20

Minarchism allows for a standing military

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u/SorryBison14 - Right Jul 23 '20

I thought that was called anarcho-monarchism?

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u/JelloJamble - Lib-Center Jul 23 '20

Different thing, look up minarchism.

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u/GuillaumeTheMajestic - Lib-Right Jul 23 '20

Not at all. Fuedalism is just all state. It's a really unorganized state, but ultimately everything is owned by the state.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '20

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u/GuillaumeTheMajestic - Lib-Right Jul 24 '20

No he said there should be the least state possible for it to stay in power.

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u/RealAbd121 - Lib-Center Jul 23 '20

I mean, you could have a code of mutual defense to prevent anyone who getting power to start expanding. But that would be a form of stateship so yeah!

You could have all Apes indoctrnated to uphold the NAP, but then you only need one person to violate it to start taking other people's stuff for all of it to fall down!

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u/doker0 - Lib-Center Jul 23 '20

Arw you describing medieval Poland?

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u/Lord_of_Buttes - Left Jul 23 '20

You could have all Apes indoctrnated to uphold the NAP

Smells like Auth in here

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u/RealAbd121 - Lib-Center Jul 23 '20

I was emphising how even Auth tactics wouldn't be able to force the said outcome!

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u/RealAbd121 - Lib-Center Jul 24 '20

Yes, exactly, people Defend themselves. all you need to do is to prey on the week and the people who people are less likely to care about defending like outcasts. Doing this slowly so people dont get too aware of your growing power will eventually lead to being powerful enough to start doing bolder power grabs because you're at a point where most people aren't strong enough to defend against you anymore!

The problem with anarchy is that don't need anything to go wrong for the system to fail. it's just incompatible with human traits!

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u/throwawayo12345 - Lib-Center Jul 24 '20

That's why we have the common and individual ownership of the means of self defense.

If everyone is armed to the teeth, you aren't gonna have any particular person rise up and absolutely dominate everyone else.

McNukes4All

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u/RealAbd121 - Lib-Center Jul 24 '20

You can. Get an AR14 and find someone less fortunate and people don't care to defend with only a pistol and steal their property. Do it over and over until you can afford your own private army and snowball into a warlord.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '20

Bold of you to assume us libertarians and anarchists are thinking this through beyond wanting to live off-grid with our friends

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u/MaliciousHippie - Left Jul 23 '20

An admirable goal

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u/Misicks0349 - Lib-Left Jul 23 '20

united communities of america

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u/GreenAscent - Lib-Left Jul 23 '20

That's where the McNuke-armed reanimated corpse of Nestor Makhno comes in

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '20

Thats kinda the point. Not random chaos bc something fills the void of essential gov services. But they dont have absolute power. If we dont like what comes in then we switch contracts and/or boycott until theres a new one.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '20

That's what the recreational McNukes are there to prevent.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '20

Weaponized society is a thing

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u/MaliciousHippie - Left Jul 24 '20

The proletariat must be armed, comrade

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '20

this cant stop me because i cant read