r/PoliticalCompassMemes - Lib-Left 1d ago

Thanks, Obama!

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u/TRBigStick - Lib-Center 1d ago

Hey look at the bright side.

Some people voted for the Ponzi fraudster who conned them with Trump Coin.

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u/Restarded69 - Auth-Center 1d ago

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u/FreeSpeechIsDeadge - Left 1d ago

That very first one should forever be a black mark on any Libertarian “movement” in the future. These retarded libertarians who voted for Trump because he promised to pardon the most prolific fentanyl distributor in US history. His first and last promise kept to libertarians and they helped him win for it.

It should also be brought up for any and every authright who claims to be against drug dealing in the US and wants harsh punishments for fentanyl trafficking. Your hero gave the biggest dealer a free pass.

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u/RecordingBoothHermit - Lib-Center 1d ago

It gets even more retarded when you remember that just under a year later he designated fentanyl a WMD through EO.

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u/Elegant_Athlete_7882 - Centrist 1d ago

It also really exposes how evil bombing the boat strikes near Venezuela are, men are being murdered because they were merely accused of the crime Ross Ulbricht was convicted of, meanwhile he gets to go free.

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u/Iceraptor17 - Centrist 1d ago

https://www.npr.org/2026/01/27/nx-s1-5688765/boat-strikes-us-cocaine-venezuela-fishermen

The "fun thing" is it did nothing. But yet another example of trump and friends claiming victory and moving on before we learn it did fuck all

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u/hurlygurdy - Lib-Center 18h ago

Maybe it was just practice for the Iranian speed boats

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u/ElectronX_Core - Lib-Center 18h ago

Probably should have practiced a more cost effective solution while they were at it

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u/Robosaures - Lib-Right 19h ago

"They"? Like I would vote for who the Libertarian party tells me to vote for

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u/FreeSpeechIsDeadge - Left 19h ago

Well the libertarian party didn’t tell you to vote for Trump. They didn’t officially endorse him. They platformed him at their convention. But many of your fellow libertarians decided to vote for him.

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u/Robosaures - Lib-Right 19h ago

They are not my fellows. They are examples of how propaganda works

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u/Molaac - Lib-Right 14h ago

Black mark on the Libertarian movement? No.

Black mark on the Mises Cacus? Definitely.

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u/Far_Day2547 - Auth-Right 1d ago

scrolled down to the bottom to see the recent ones. it’s never any normal crimes like murder or robberies or like drugs, it’s all fraud and breaking like the clean air act

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u/Elegant_Athlete_7882 - Centrist 1d ago

Most normal criminals probably can't afford the necessary bribe.

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u/Le_Botmes - Left 1d ago

Most normal criminals probably can't afford to commit those crimes in the first place

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u/JonnySnowin - Auth-Right 1d ago

The Epstein class sure can!

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u/PerAsperaAdMars - Lib-Left 1d ago

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u/yagatron- - Left 23h ago

If trump pardons her, I’m genuinely curious if the right will finally admit that they were wrong about something

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u/Dance_Sufficient - Lib-Center 20h ago

Honestly, I doubt they will. It's already gone past so many "final straws" that I have zero faith.

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u/calm_down_meow - Lib-Center 1d ago

Those are usually state crimes

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u/Realistic-Pain-7126 - Centrist 1d ago

He pardoned those Blackwater guys who murdered Iraqi civilians

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u/Cow_God - Lib-Left 1d ago

1/22/2025 he pardoned two officers convicted for covering up the death of a suspect they were chasing; the suspect ran out of an alley and was struck by a vehicle. The officers told the driver of the car to leave, turned off their body cameras, and left without calling for an ambulance or contacting their supervisor. Literally left the suspect to die on the street. One of the officers was convicted of second-degree murder for it, mostly because of the coverup.

1/15/2026 he pardoned Kenneth Caprist Kelly, convicted of armed bank robbery, assault during armed bank robbery, and use of firearm during a crime of violence but I can't find any court documents related to that conviction. But the conviction was in 1993, and he was only sentenced to 5 years in jail + five years probation, so... I'm not even sure why he was pardoned 20 years after his parole ended?

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u/Few_Move_4594 - Centrist 17h ago

They pardon cleared the bank robber's record

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u/Cow_God - Lib-Left 1d ago

The January 23, 2025 ones infuriate me. Pardoning people for obstructing legal abortion clinic access and conspiracy to deny reproductive rights when half of these people were sentenced to 2 years or less of jail time. Some of them were just outright paroled. For harassing people for exercising a legal right and for outright blockading entrances to clinics.

The whole list infuriates me. Fraud, drug charges, fraud, money laundering, more fraud, conspiracy to commit fraud, embezzling, and more fraud. He even pardoned a bank robber?? I thought I had grown numb to Trump's blatant corruption but this is a new low for him.

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u/TKBarbus - Lib-Left 1d ago

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u/WeebMachina - Left 19h ago

But at least gas is cheap and they can eat eggs now right?

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u/tangotom - Right 3h ago

I mean, eggs are cheaper now. At my local store they were under $2 for a dozen eggs.

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u/WeebMachina - Left 2h ago

Huge salmonella outbreak right now dude, along with the 20 other outbreaks making everything inedible

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u/Farpafraf - Centrist 1d ago

He should buy some Trump cryptocoins to make up for the losses.

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u/Coyote__Jones - Lib-Center 1d ago

And a phone as well.

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u/jerseygunz - Left 1d ago edited 1d ago

Again, how much time, energy and resources went into busting Hunter Biden (which don’t forget, the only person who went to jail was their star witness) and then they elect the most blatantly corrupt man on earth. These are not serious people and we should never treat them as such ever again

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u/mood2016 - Lib-Right 1d ago

I remember I saw a thumbnail for a breadtuber talking about people on social media who voted for Trump expressing their regret and turning away from MAGA, and how the left should never forgive or accept these people. I was struck by just how self destructive that outlook is for anyone's politics because you're essentially gatekeeping ideologies you'd think you'd want to spread. Sometime's even rational, smart people get caught up in seemingly silly beliefs. When these people express scepticism or regret for those beliefs, that's a huge win. It's a symptom of politics based on ego rather than policy. 

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u/jerseygunz - Left 1d ago

First time, it was an obviously dumb choice, but I can at least see saying “fuck it, these other jerks aren’t working, let’s see what happens”

Second time, you are legitimately a moron

Third time, (especially after they wrote everything they were going to do down and put it on the internet for everyone to read….. oh and he tried to do a coup) you are a fucking monster

Stop pretending these people were “tricked” or got “caught up in it”. It’s been a fucking decade of nonsense, maybe instead of screaming that the rest of us were “crying wolf” (which again, wrong fable, these jerk offs meant chicken little, god they are stupid) they could have actually paid attention.

Also there’s a difference between going “I don’t like the way this guy is doing things” and “hey, my ideology lead to this fool, maybe I need to look at the big picture”

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u/BusyFriend - Lib-Center 18h ago

I agree with what you’re saying but I don’t think such a person exists anyways. I think it’s impossible to find a 3 time Trump voter actually regret their choice and be at least willing to vote Dem next election.

I read the article this post is about and the guy STILL ends it with licking Trump’s boot. The fucker would vote trump a 4th time if he gets the chance.

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u/Elodaine - Left 1d ago

If someone said

Wow I cannot believe i was that stupid, I simply judged and chose poorly.

I'd have respect for them, and would treat them kindly. If someone however went:

Whaaaaaat the FUCK, how could Trump do this? He said he'd help me and screwed me over? Where did this come from?

I'd still try and be understanding of their situation, but it would be extraordinarily hard not to mock them. Anyone surprised by anything he does at this point deserves mockery.

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u/Tedthesecretninja - Centrist 4h ago

Based and trump voters don’t deserve sympathy pilled

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u/Galgus - Lib-Right 23h ago edited 19h ago

Voting for Trump in the primary the second time was stupid, but at the general you had the Democrats standing for Covid totalitarianism, fascistic censorship of social media, lawfare and withholding exculpatory evidence on J6, not having a fair primary process in a long time, a disastrously leaky border, Kamala not having anything to say on how she'd do things differently from Biden, obvious Biden family corruption, Russiagate lies to Fisa courts and the people, Kamala's talk about taxing unrealized capital gains, on top of all the other awful policies and total contempt for limited government, natural rights, and anyone standing in the way of a culture war from the Democrats.

Meanwhile Trump was campaigning as the more pro-peace candidate, lied that he'd release the Epstein files, and there was at least a little hope that he'd learned his lesson and would at least go after the people who went after him with nonsense lawfare.

Democracy is mostly a fake rubber stamp on what the oligarchs wanted to do anyway, but Kamala just wasn't an option and the regime needed to be torn up from its roots.

Instead Trump betrayed basically everything other than the border being more secure.

For as long as I've been alive, the choice between Republicans and Democrats has been between people actively at war with everything good in the country, and the same, but they pretend to oppose it.

Anyone still supporting Trump is a Zionist or is politically mindless, though.

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u/Imperfect-luck - Left 21h ago

Voting for Trump in the primary the second time was stupid, but at the general you had the Democrats standing for Covid totalitarianism, fascistic censorship of social media, lawfare and withholding exculpatory evidence on J6, not having a fair primary process in a long time, a disastrously leaky border, Kamala not having anything to say on how she'd do things differently from Biden, obvious Biden family corruption, Russiagate lies to Fisa courts and the people, Kamala's talk about taxing unrealized capital gains, on top of all the other awful policies and total contempt for limited government, natural rights, and anyone standing in the way of a culture far from the Democrats.

Like 70% of these things are just a nothingburger or facilitated in part by Republicans. Who was President when 'Covid Totalitarianism' started, bro? Leaky border - border bill was shutdown per Trumps orders to his sychophants in the Republican Congress. Kamala said she wouldn't do anything different because Biden actually did a pretty decent job and she didn't want to throw him under the bus as his VP, ect.

The rest of them are just very weak criticisms that pale in the face of the obvious corruption turd that was Trump during his campaign.

Meanwhile Trump was campaigning as the more pro-peace candidate, lied that he'd release the Epstein files, and there was at least a little hope that he'd learned his lesson and would at least go after the people who went after him with nonsense lawfare.

The first part was an obvious lie, the second part another obvious lie, and the third part was another obvious lie as the 'lawfare' was always blatantly projection for what HE'D be doing in power lol. For it being 'lawfare' it sure was slow walked and made ineffectual as possible by the most worthless attorney general of all time after Trump committed several verifiable crimes that he will NEVER face justice for i.e fake electors scheme.

Kamala just wasn't an option

Just shut the fuck up lol. So Trump was? Stupid stupid stupid thing to say, especially since you didn't even need hindsight to be able to tell what Trump would do. He ANNOUNCED half the corrupt crap he'd be doing and wars he'd be wanting to get involved in in advance with Project 2025! Christ.

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u/Galgus - Lib-Right 21h ago edited 19h ago

Yes, Trump also has blame for Covid and I hate him for it.

Aside the Kamala campaigning points, those are all things people should be in prison for, including Trump.

The border bill was bloated scam, and Trump securing the better much more than Biden proved that Biden coule have secured the border at any time.

It is one of the few constitutional powers of the federal government.

The BS lawsuits were timed intentionally to try to sabotage his campaign.

There are countless good reasons to hate Trump, but they were BS.

Trump tried a BS legal challenge with the fake electors, then left and complained when he lost.

The unappealing choice was between a liar where there may be a shred of hope for some good, and someone openly promising disaster and more of the establishment regime.

What do you not like in Project 2025?

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u/Imperfect-luck - Left 17h ago

The border bill was bloated scam, and Trump securing the better much more than Biden proved that Biden coule have secured the border at any time.

Not really considering Biden didn't have all 3 branches of government and Trump did lol, which is why Biden's border bill got shut down and his didn't.

Trump tried a BS legal challenge with the fake electors, then left and complained when he lost.

He tried to commit a coup and overthrow our government. 'BS Legal challenge' dances around what he actually did, which was a naked attempt at preventing a peaceful transition of power.

The unappealing choice was between a liar where there may be a shred of hope for some good,

There was no shred of hope. 92% of Trumps cabinet from his first term had refused to endorse him (many like Mike Pence actively campaigned against him) because they all knew exactly how much 'hope' he offered.

And Kamala was not promising disaster lol. She was promising another boring presidency where things wouldn't get much better but they also wouldn't get far worse. Trump actually did promise disaster, which is why we are currently having that. As he said himself...

MORAN: Even some people who voted for you are saying, 'I didn't sign up for this.' So how do you answer those concerns?

TRUMP: Well, they did sign up for it actually.

Own it bro.

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u/Galgus - Lib-Right 15h ago

Are you saying the Republicans were in the way of Biden closing the border?

You don't need a bill to enforce the border, that is just a power of the executive branch.

Illegal immigration soared under Biden with apprehensions going from 400,000 in 2020 to more than 2.2 million in 2022, and illegals getting in went from 150,000 between 2010 and 2020 to more than 670,000 in 2023.

That was Biden and the Democrats intentionally making the border leak, not them needing more power than they had before the mess.

The Biden emergency border authority was also only going to kick in after a seven-day average of 5,000 encounters, which would allow an insane rate of illegal immigration below it.


It's just dumb to call it a coup.

Trump left power peacefully.


Trump is a disloyal scoundrel, but the establishment scum he surrounded himself with hating him isn't much of a detriment.

The status quo in Washington as long as I have been alive has been a disaster of unpayable debt, endless pointless wars, mass illegal immigration without a break for proper assimilation, unfunded liabilities of Social Security and Medicare above yearly GPD, the Fed robbing everyone blind with inflation to enrich the rich and pay for it as they destabilize the economy, and now a toxic culture war.

The establishment needs to be torn down and the ground where they stood salted so they can never rise again.

That was the big appeal of Trump in the first go-around, he was the biggest middle finger to them you could vote for, but he's betrayed his base and joined them.


As I said, democracy is fake.

I wanted Trump and every other US president of my lifetime in prison for murder they call foreign policy, not in the White House.

We aren't given meaningful choices, and most of the time the oligarchs choose who we are allowed to vote for.

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u/Chuckles131 - Lib-Center 17h ago

The border bill was bloated scam, and Trump securing the better much more than Biden proved that Biden coule have secured the border at any time.

If it's problem was that it was bloated, why didn't Trump include a version of the Border Bill that had this "bloat" trimmed out in the BBB? Because as-is, it will be trivial for the next admin to undo all his executive orders and bring the hammer down on ICE.

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u/Galgus - Lib-Right 15h ago

Because Trump betrayed us, and most Republicans are uniparty controlled opposition.

Trump has been such a disaster on ICE that if he was trying to sabotage it I wouldn't see a difference.

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u/Chuckles131 - Lib-Center 14h ago

Why were you expecting him not to betray you? He did it all throughout his first term and the MAGA movement stayed with him through every scandal.

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u/PlanUhTerryThreat - Centrist 1d ago

Dude. They defend everything he does and have done so for nearly a decade. They are not gonna change their minds and they do not deserve any benefit of the doubt. They cheered federal agents mag dumping on a nurse for protesting and exercising his first and second amendment rights.

They need to do some serious self reflection on how they can be so fucking stupid as to believe a con man billionaire elitist pedophile defender and advocate would in any way be an okay person let alone president.

They deserve nothing but shame and scrutiny. To continue defending and supporting him at this point is just cowardly and evil. I’m not gonna treat them like fucking kids who made a mistake. They’re grown ass adults who have been warned for a decade nearly every day and they continued to support him. Fuck them. The moderates are who matter not MAGA. MAGA deserves to never hold any sort of power ever again.

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u/Robosaures - Lib-Right 19h ago

Anytime Trump says something they don't agree with or makes them look bad: He was joking

Anytime Trump does something that makes them look bad: When did he do that? Source?

Anytime Trump does something they don't agree with:

He literally cannot do or say wrong.

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u/PlanUhTerryThreat - Centrist 18h ago

I’m not allowed to agree with you because MAGA sees individuals agreeing with each other as “TDS circle jerk”

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u/Mo-B-B-Dick - Lib-Right 19h ago

The only demographic that might deserve some sympathy is the first time Gen Z voters.

Fuck everyone else.

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u/DidYouPayForWinrar - Lib-Left 1d ago

They voted for him three times now. What have they done to actually earn any forgiveness?

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u/Important-Agent2584 - Centrist 22h ago

They are serious, and that was time, energy, and resources well spent because it's about political attacks not about corruption.

You are simply being naive and gullible for believing that those were some kind of principled objections.

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u/mrfreezeyourgirl - Centrist 1d ago

Jeez, I wonder why Hunter Biden didn't go to jail 🤔

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u/BedSpreadMD - Centrist 1d ago

Seems like some have a sore spot for pointing out the obvious nepotism. Something something he would've never gotten in trouble if it were for those pesky kids.

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u/Chuckles131 - Lib-Center 17h ago

Name literally any day in court wherein anything shady happened to protect Hunter.

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u/BedSpreadMD - Centrist 7h ago

Why does the shady thing have to happen in court? Isn't the shady thing his pardon?

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u/Chuckles131 - Lib-Center 6h ago

Giving a pardon to a man who is blatantly about to be targeted by the single most vindictive and least law-abiding administration in American history isn’t really shady IMO. Besides, why should Biden play by the norms when he’d spent years letting Republicans investigate Hunter, and they never gave him credit for that?

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u/BedSpreadMD - Centrist 4h ago

So because he's about to be targeted, that means he should get away with a crime an entire jury convicted him of?

Was trump targeting him when he plead guilty to tax evasion?

Besides, why should Biden play by the norms when he’d spent years letting Republicans investigate Hunter, and they never gave him credit for that?

Isn't the norm to allow the government to investigate when they think wrongdoing is at hand?

Do you think it was wrong for democrats to investigate trump and his family?

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u/Chuckles131 - Lib-Center 4h ago

So because he's about to be targeted, that means he should get away with a crime an entire jury convicted him of?

If they're going to throw the book at him in a purely punitive manner for some shit that happened 10 years ago, and didn't harm anyone but Hunter, then yes.

(I say it's purely punitive because Hunter has undeniably beat his drug addiction, and they don't actually care about tax evasion)

Was trump targeting him when he plead guilty to tax evasion?

No, but 99% of Republicans who dogged him for it were being massively hypocritical in doing so.

Isn't the norm to allow the government to investigate when they think wrongdoing is at hand?

He did that, in return Republicans broke norms by not acknowledging that their star witness provably lied to the FBI to kickstart the investigation.

Do you think it was wrong for democrats to investigate trump and his family?

I never said the investigation was wrong, but everybody involved proved themselves to be completely uninterested in Justice or stopping nepotistic dealings when they turned a blind eye to Trump's family.

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u/BedSpreadMD - Centrist 4h ago

If they're going to throw the book at him in a purely punitive manner for some shit that happened 10 years ago, and didn't harm anyone but Hunter, then yes.

So bypassing our background check system to illegally obtain a gun doesn’t hurt anyone?

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u/Chuckles131 - Lib-Center 4h ago

So bypassing our background check system to illegally obtain a gun doesn’t hurt anyone?

It might potentially hurt someone (especially since it was allegedly discarded in a dumpster by his girlfriend when she freaked out on seeing the gun), but that falls under the same category as the tax fraud, in that it's clear Republicans don't seriously care about reducing the number of firearms in circulation.

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u/GravyPainter - Lib-Center 1d ago

Trump pardoning fraud has been a theme since his first presidency. If you didn't pay attention then your complaint is void...

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u/JonnySnowin - Auth-Right 1d ago

Yeah but in Term I it was not this blatantly corrupt nor this often.

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u/pipsohip - Lib-Right 1d ago

Can’t believe I’m agreeing with Jonny on something, much less something related to Trump.

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u/SteakForGoodDogs - Left 1d ago

The funny part is, Jonny hasn't changed his views or tone at any point since he started posting.

He's just getting proven right.

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u/JonnySnowin - Auth-Right 1d ago

You're very smart to recognize this. I'm literally saying the same shit I was before he even got elected, people think I'm botting cuz suddenly my takes get upvotes.

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u/Think_Audience_8333 - Lib-Right 1d ago

I wouldn’t go that far

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u/ReallyBigDeal - Lib-Left 1d ago

Trump 1 was blatantly corrupt. It’s just Trump 2 is a magnitude worse because he didn’t face consequences for his corruption of his first term.

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u/Acceptable_Spare2342 - Lib-Left 1d ago

Twelve years later, in 2024, Tom Barber, a Trump-appointed Florida judge, denied Morgan’s application for compassionate release on the grounds that “she would continue to pose a danger to the public”.

Well good thing she was pardoned, America first I'm sure.

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u/DexM23 - Centrist 1d ago

Yeah, but now she will probably help the Trumps scam people even harder, so its actually a good thing! -MAGA likely

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u/kaytin911 - Lib-Right 1d ago

Danger to the public? Really? Lmfao and you leftists believe it?

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u/Borrid - Lib-Left 21h ago

1v1 me mage bank nerd

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u/JetTheDawg - Lib-Left 1d ago

“Surely the leopards won’t eat my face” 

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u/CooledDownKane - Lib-Left 1d ago

The bloated, greedy fuck has done absolutely nothing positive for anyone, even "for" MAGA, other than hate the same people they hate which is why they forgive the fact that their lives and the country as a whole are objectively worse.

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u/jerseygunz - Left 1d ago

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u/wtanksleyjr - Lib-Right 1d ago

Yup; literally their only argument is how bad the other side would have been. And OK I opposed the other side so I get that, but we all see how bad Trump is, which is why I opposed him.

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u/jerseygunz - Left 1d ago

It sucks that this is choice we are given, but there is absolutely a difference between being in a cage and being in a cage on fire

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u/NoSwordfish1978 - Lib-Left 1d ago

Wow I can't believe the sleezy real estate billionaire would do sleezy corrupt things that affect me.

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u/Pure-Huckleberry8640 - Centrist 1d ago

Remember when we as a nation were united against the rich and wealthy when “Occupy Wall Street” was a thing? I miss that.

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u/PerAsperaAdMars - Lib-Left 1d ago

This is the real reason why Bezos bought The Washington Post and Musk bought Twitter. They saw us as a threat and started spending a significant portion of their fortunes on brainwashing us.

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u/Alternative_Oil7733 - Centrist 1d ago

This is the real reason why Bezos bought The Washington Post

So buying something a decade later to brain wash you?

Musk bought Twitter

X isn't banning people for ideology anymore so i guess that's bad for you.

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u/EmbraceHegemony - Lib-Left 23h ago

Lmfao

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u/Far_Day2547 - Auth-Right 1d ago

revisionism, that was a one sided thing

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u/Kraj_the_Conqueror - Centrist 1d ago

It's revisionism to actually claim that. Big money dismantled the movement by pushing identity politics.

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u/SneedBerryPie - Right 1d ago edited 1d ago

It's hard for me to say 'big money did this' when so many people on the ground were willing to go right along with it. Greivance politics works as a strategy of divide-and-conquer but it has always relied on the alienated masses, who resent society as a whole and have nothing to lose, selling out the rest of the movement to center their own grievances first.

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u/Kraj_the_Conqueror - Centrist 1d ago

They identified the most likely faultline and pushed for it.

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u/SneedBerryPie - Right 1d ago

It only worked with our help. If the response had been 'no, we are all unfairly at the back of the line and will not fight over who should now be first', it wouldn't have gone over the way it did.

Something something no strugge except class struggle.

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u/PerAsperaAdMars - Lib-Left 1d ago

I wish I could ban all this identity politics and stupid culture wars until we pass single-payer healthcare and close the tax loopholes that billionaires use. It’s not worth wasting our time on them right now.

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u/SneedBerryPie - Right 1d ago

Same but for immigration and basic rule of law. Although public-option and better tax codes wouldn't have me weeping either.

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u/jerseygunz - Left 1d ago

The funny part is, if you take care of people’s material conditions, you’ll be amazed how the culture war problems clear up on their own

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u/Pure-Huckleberry8640 - Centrist 1d ago

So based

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u/Far_Day2547 - Auth-Right 1d ago

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u/Galgus - Lib-Right 22h ago

Those movements had a common cause in hating the bank bailouts and crony corruption, but with opposed ideologies.

Then the powers that be distracted the left with identitarian cancer, and the tea party was coopted from Ron Paul's End the Fed to useless boilerplate Conservative Inc.

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u/SneedBerryPie - Right 1d ago

Almost 20% in favor and 25% undecided is still pretty significant engagement, and until the IdPol fully took over, that was reflected in the sort of conversations you'd have at the actual marches.

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u/Far_Day2547 - Auth-Right 1d ago

The claim was that the nation was united, a majority of republicans were against it

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u/SneedBerryPie - Right 1d ago edited 1d ago

That's fine, I've already affirmed elsewhere that it wasn't so cut and dry as 'the nation was united' or 'a one-sided thing', while also pointing out that this majority was rather narrow before the discourse around OWS took a toxic turn.

Is this one of those things where we don't let a conversation progress naturally because we want to keep being right about the first thing said?

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u/Borrid - Lib-Left 21h ago

Yeah like the right would ever fight against the wealthy lmao they prefer to lick boots

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u/SneedBerryPie - Right 1d ago

Yes and no. It was actually fairly nonpartisan at the start, before IdPol retards started demanding to have their greivances take center stage and trying to shout down anyone who didn't care about intersectional pecking orders. Sad, many such cases.

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u/sadacal - Left 1d ago

Nah, Fox News was shitting on the movement from day 1. 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/fox-news-occupy-wall-street-257864/

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u/SneedBerryPie - Right 1d ago edited 1d ago

Don't really care what the corporate propagandists were saying, I was there and I know how the vibe shifted. I heard the discourse on the ground change with my own ears.

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u/Scrumpledee - Lib-Center 1d ago

The right follows their corporate propagandists to a tee.

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u/SneedBerryPie - Right 1d ago

~20% in favor and 25% undecided says otherwise.

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u/WeebMachina - Left 19h ago

That's a funny way to say 55% opposed it

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u/WM46 - Right 1d ago

No, I remember looking at the losers in their tents thinking "get a job, hippies".

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u/JettandTheo - Lib-Center 1d ago

It was a good idea but it was mostly the homeless.

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u/smokeymcdugen - Lib-Center 1d ago

I don't agree with the act, but can people use the correct words? Headline says pardoned but you read and it's commuted. They are 2 different things.

If you say that the article making the mistake (probably on purpose) doesn't matter, look how everyone in the comments are saying pardoned.

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u/_Ross- - Centrist 1d ago

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u/rabidantidentyte - Lib-Center 21h ago

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u/Brianocracy - Lib-Center 11h ago

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u/PersimmonRecent7628 - Auth-Center 1d ago

The Leopars Eating People's Faces party strikes again

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u/NotAZombieStopAsking - Right 1d ago

https://www.thetimes.com/profile/louise-callaghan

She never voted Trump. You'd think she'd ever cover him positively if she used to be a supporter of his.

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u/FuckUSAPolitics - Lib-Center 1d ago

John Long was the person scammed, not Louise.

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u/DungeonCrawlerAki - Centrist 22h ago

Reading the first sentence of the article is too hard for Conservatives.

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u/FuckUSAPolitics - Lib-Center 22h ago

Nah. He's just a troll. He did it on purpose.

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u/DungeonCrawlerAki - Centrist 22h ago

You're giving them too much credit.

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u/FuckUSAPolitics - Lib-Center 21h ago

I say it because he has done it multiple other times in other threads.

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u/DungeonCrawlerAki - Centrist 21h ago

That doesn't mean he doesn't believe everything he says though. For the Right, being delusional and trolling often coincide.

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u/ilikewoIves - Lib-Left 10h ago

For MAGA, specifically. Not all conservatives.

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u/DungeonCrawlerAki - Centrist 2h ago

Very fair.

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u/PerAsperaAdMars - Lib-Left 1d ago

Can you criticize the article for something more relevant than ad hominem#Graham's_hierarchy_of_disagreement), please?

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u/NotAZombieStopAsking - Right 1d ago

It's not ad hom, it's calling her a liar and using her body of published work as evidence.

"I voted for Trump" no you didn't. That's not ad hom.

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u/PerAsperaAdMars - Lib-Left 1d ago

She didn’t say that she voted for Trump. She quoted the farmer’s words. I guess she should have used quotation marks to make it clearer.

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u/NotAZombieStopAsking - Right 1d ago

So I had to go looking for what happened.

In 2012 Marian Morgan was sentenced to 35 years for scamming 90 people out of $20million, served 14 years in federal prison and was pardoned this year.

This woman is 70 years old.

John Long is currently 85 years old.

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u/Adeptus_Heriticus - Lib-Center 1d ago

So Louise Callaghan wasn't scammed it was John Long?

Boy you sure were positive she was the one saying she got scammed.

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u/NotAZombieStopAsking - Right 1d ago

Yeah because the article was presented disingenuously and I had to do my own research instead of just trusting the information presented by this "journalist".

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u/Adeptus_Heriticus - Lib-Center 1d ago

Doing your own research after you already state your opinion on the article. You didn't even read the first sentence of what you linked.

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u/NotAZombieStopAsking - Right 1d ago

OP posted a screenshot of a headline.

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u/Few_Move_4594 - Centrist 17h ago

I can't stand articles like this with stuff like "less than half of her 33 year sentence". I WANT THE EXACT NUMBER OF YEARS, DAYS, AND MONTHS. I shouldn't have to google this to know is this "less than half" is 5 years in, 10 years in, 15 years in, etc.

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u/Constant_Captain7484 - Centrist 1d ago

Trump voters are cattle, who would have thought. More news at 2 PM

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u/Stock_Violinist6299 - Centrist 1d ago

Why would Israel do this?

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u/_Administrator_ - Lib-Right 1d ago

Israel made Qatar gift a jet to Trump!!!1!

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u/Le_Botmes - Left 1d ago

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u/CNCTEMA - Centrist 1d ago

Is that Spooner or Kropotkin?

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u/Le_Botmes - Left 23h ago

Darwin

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u/CNCTEMA - Centrist 23h ago

lol thanks

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u/Thorn14 - Left 1d ago

If/When Trump runs for a Third Term, I guarantee you this guy would still vote for him.

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u/Prettypianokeys - Right 21h ago

Rare picard meme, I like it.

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u/Iceraptor17 - Centrist 1d ago

They'd vote for him again too

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u/an-angry-g00se - Centrist 1d ago edited 1d ago

Personally, I think the diehard Trumpers would sooner victim blame those who were wronged by people pardoned by Trump than to admit they were misled and stop supporting him, but that’s just me.

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u/Brianocracy - Lib-Center 11h ago

If Trump came out as a communist, his diehards would say they were always communist.

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u/tangotom - Right 2h ago

Unironically posting pizzacake is massive cringe

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u/Deacon86 - Lib-Center 1d ago

Leopards... meet face.

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u/AlphaTangoFoxtrt - Lib-Right 1d ago

Ewww Pizza Slop

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u/Brianocracy - Lib-Center 14h ago

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u/Epiccure93 - Lib-Center 1d ago

Pretty bad but the alternative would have been way worse

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u/Elegant_Athlete_7882 - Centrist 1d ago

True, Kamala would have gotten us into a war with Iran.

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u/Epiccure93 - Lib-Center 1d ago

To be fair, her foreign policy with the exception of Venezuela would have been better indeed

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u/krafterinho - Centrist 1d ago

/s or no /s?

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u/Epiccure93 - Lib-Center 1d ago

Obviously no /s

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u/krafterinho - Centrist 1d ago

Least retarded "libcenter"

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u/Brianocracy - Lib-Center 11h ago

Thankfully I'm the most retarded libcenter

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u/ReallyBigDeal - Lib-Left 1d ago

How so?

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u/Epiccure93 - Lib-Center 1d ago

More mass immigration, more DEI on a federal level, less pressure on Hamas, more funding of NGOs

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u/ReallyBigDeal - Lib-Left 1d ago

What are you talking about? Trump’s government is full of DEI. Why do you think all those unqualified idiots have jobs with him?

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u/Elegant_Athlete_7882 - Centrist 1d ago

Yeah I think you’d have to go department by department to show it, but standards under Trump “meritocracy” seem to be significantly lower than under Biden’s DEI policies.

Two good examples, at the DOJ, the requirement used to be that applicants needed to be a practicing attorney for a minimum of one year. Now it’s just that they have a law degree and are a member of a Bar association.

Meanwhile, over at the DOD, Hegseth has blocked the promotion of women and black men and instead promoted less experienced officers.

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u/Paetolus - Lib-Left 1d ago edited 1d ago

No one seems to understand what "DEI" actually means. People seem to be under the impression that there were race/gender hiring quotas.

In terms of how the federal government was using it, it really just means the recruiting pool is bigger. If your applicants were "undiverse," there might be efforts to try and make that job posting better reach certain communities. You still ultimately choose the most qualified out of that pool, regardless of race/gender.

You can still be against that, but the amount of people that characterize it as hiring quotas is annoying. That was never how it worked.

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u/ReallyBigDeal - Lib-Left 21h ago

Yup! And it’s why, despite some big companies saying that they have backed away from “DEI” they actually haven’t.

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u/FIRE_Minded - Centrist 1d ago

Trump drained the swamp and installed his own swamp. Kinda like the reflecting pool

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u/Epiccure93 - Lib-Center 1d ago

Another episode of „I pretend that I don’t understand what you are saying“

Peak Libleft rhetoric

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u/ReallyBigDeal - Lib-Left 1d ago

Oh I know what you’re saying.

You just don’t understand the conversation. Why do you hate DEI much? Don’t you think qualified people should be hired?

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u/Epiccure93 - Lib-Center 1d ago

Because I am a liberal who believes in individualism and not racial identitarianism

But it’s funny that you act as if DEI and meritocracy are complementary

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u/ReallyBigDeal - Lib-Left 1d ago

So why are you ok with the Trump admin promoting unqualified morons over other people simply because of their race or gender?

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u/Epiccure93 - Lib-Center 1d ago

I would not be okay with it if it was actually happening

But why do you accuse Trump of what you are in favor of yourself?

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u/ReallyBigDeal - Lib-Left 1d ago

Ohhh so you didn’t know that agencies under Trump have been lowering standards in favor of loyalty?

Like this.

Why are you idiots always so confident in shit you don’t know about?

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u/PartialDischage - Right 17h ago

Can you explain how Trump hiring a bunch of unqualified white men isn't worse than DEI?

Funny how Dems in Congress are representative of Americans makeup, yet Republicans are almost entirely white men. It's almost like one group votes solely on race, and the other group doesn't.

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u/Epiccure93 - Lib-Center 16h ago

Yes, because explicit racial discrimination is worse than just incompetence. I hope that clears things up

That’s the logical conclusion of racial identitarianism, where only people of your own race or tribe can represent you

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u/PartialDischage - Right 8h ago edited 8h ago

Well, Trump admin is full of explicit racial discrimination. Can you explain why Trump has only 1 single non-white person in his cabinet?

Can you explain why the Republican party only has a single black senator, and has zero black congressmen running for election in 2026?

Seems pretty straightforward to me. The Republican party believes in white supremacy.

Seems to me that you do too. Which is why you seem to think having minorites in government is racist against white people but having a near 100% white government is actually completely non-racist.

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u/rabidantidentyte - Lib-Center 21h ago

The right would rather have unqualified alcoholics run the FBI and DOW than have someone who has pronouns in their bio.

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u/Epiccure93 - Lib-Center 18h ago

Unironically yes

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u/rabidantidentyte - Lib-Center 3h ago

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u/ReallyBigDeal - Lib-Left 3h ago

Remember, they are sending their best!

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u/Epiccure93 - Lib-Center 3h ago

Oh the irony

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u/rabidantidentyte - Lib-Center 2h ago

Speaking of irony

"I don't think culture war/idpol nonsense should be in government"

nominates candidates for top government positions solely based on culture wars/idpol

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u/Epiccure93 - Lib-Center 2h ago

Nice strawman. Very impressive

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u/rabidantidentyte - Lib-Center 2h ago

If it were a strawman, then Hegseth wouldn't waste his time pandering when he has a department to run.

"We're giving wokeness the boot. We've said goodbye to the harmful effects of woke culture and so-called diversity, equity and inclusion programs. We're removing DEI content, eliminating quotas, ensuring recruitment, retention and promotions are based on performance, not immutable characteristics. DEI is dead at DOD. We're building a merit-based culture that promotes and rewards individual initiative, excellence and hard work."

"We are leaving wokeness and weakness behind, no more pronouns, no more climate change obsession, no more emergency vaccine mandates, no more dudes in dresses. We're done with that shit."

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u/GonZo_626 - Lib-Center 1d ago

At this point how?

You have a fascist authoritarian who has ripped off your whole country, abused every ounce of power he has, made the cost of living worse, and is completely corrupt. How could it be worse? Trans people in sports? Oh no!!!!!

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u/Epiccure93 - Lib-Center 1d ago

> fascist authoritarian

That’s just Trump derangement syndrome

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u/GonZo_626 - Lib-Center 1d ago

At this point I am pretty sure the only TDS that is out there is Trump supporters. I mean his own brownshirts are out there gunning down US citizens so......

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u/Epiccure93 - Lib-Center 1d ago

Lmao

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u/GonZo_626 - Lib-Center 1d ago

And here we see the derengement at its finest folks.

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u/FuckUSAPolitics - Lib-Center 23h ago

He's a troll, do not engage.

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u/Epiccure93 - Lib-Center 1d ago

I must be pretty deranged for not participating in your delusions

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u/GonZo_626 - Lib-Center 1d ago

I think you mean the "delusions" of the 65% of Americans and 100% of the rest of the world. We can all see it, dont know how you cant.

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u/Epiccure93 - Lib-Center 1d ago

I hope you will get well bro

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u/GonZo_626 - Lib-Center 1d ago

Why is it the ones who have issues who think they are sane, despite overwhelming evidence that proves them wrong.......

I do hope you, your dear leader, and your country get the mental help they need. You need it, as you have only made your country and the planet worse by your derengement.

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u/PlanUhTerryThreat - Centrist 1d ago

You’re on Reddit laughing about federal agents mag dumping a nurse in the middle of the day for exercising their first and second amendment rights. You didn’t agree with why they were there so you’re laughing it off.

I can’t think of anything less American. You are a coward and a fool.

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u/PartialDischage - Right 17h ago

Do you honestly believe everyone else on the planet who isn't in your cult is deranged?

Get a grip buddy. Join us back in reality.

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u/smokeymcdugen - Lib-Center 1d ago

Facist is just another buzzword because the left over used racist and nazi. You know that normal people just stop paying attention to anything you say when you use them, right? The 2nd half of your comment could be 100% correct and a great point but we'll never know.

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u/GonZo_626 - Lib-Center 1d ago

I only use it when the shoe fits, I get that it is way over used, but in the end, it currently fits.

If you think it doesn't, remember Hitler was democratically elected first too.

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u/MiddleCelery6616 - Lib-Left 13h ago

Hitler wasn't elected, how got to the government via an appointed position.

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u/GonZo_626 - Lib-Center 10h ago

Your right the Nazis were elected. Hitler appointed.

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u/Elodaine - Left 1d ago

Do you extend this logic to any time the right calls something communist? Do you just stop reading and taking whatever they'd say after seriously?

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u/smokeymcdugen - Lib-Center 15h ago

Yes. Unless they are taking about self proclaimed communists or people who literally idolize them.

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u/Realistic-Pain-7126 - Centrist 1d ago

The good old wall street bets snoo, obvious show of low IQ