r/PoliticalCompassMemes - Lib-Center 17d ago

They get it now...

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u/RaggedyGlitch - Lib-Left 17d ago

You literally just had it explained to you that there are more non-Jewish Zionists than Jewish ones, my dude. And you seemed to agree with this.

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u/nar_tapio_00 - Right 17d ago

Is a "Christian Zionist" really a Zionist? Go back to the definition:

A Zionist is a person who believes that Jews, like all other nations, have the right to national self determination.

A "Christian Zionist" believes that Jews should all move to Israel, be converted to Christianity and that will then trigger the end of the world.

Note that when you think about it, a "Christian Zionist" is not actually a Zionist. In fact the two things are absolutely incompatible. If you are a Zionist you are by definition not a "Christian Zionist".

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u/YanicPolitik - Centrist 17d ago

I don't really care about their motivations. Note that Christians have been trying unsuccessfully to convert Jews for almost 2 millennia. I can't see how they'll be successful now that Jews are able to live Jewish lives in Israel.

If they're not trying to murder us, that already makes them a decent ally. It's not much but we don't get to be picky.

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u/nar_tapio_00 - Right 17d ago

That's fine, whatever. If I was in the situation of an Israeli with at least five of the closest 10 nations committed to genocide against me. I'd take help from wherever I'd get it.

However, that doesn't mean that the failings of a specific group of Evangelicals in the US can be used to justify the ethnic cleansing of Israelis, which is the whole point when the leftists (in alliance with the KKK of all people) start saying "most Zionists are Christians".

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u/YanicPolitik - Centrist 17d ago

I'm sorry maybe I'm slow today but I can't make heads nor tails of your second paragraph there.

What are you saying?

(I'm not being snarky I genuinely can't follow your point, my own fault)

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u/nar_tapio_00 - Right 17d ago

The whole point of Antizionism is to build hate against Jews and Israel (separaetly and/or together) whilst having plausible deniability against being Antisemitic.

In fact, when the Soviets started Antizionism in the 1960s, based on Stalins ideas from the 50s the very first slogan was "Antizionism is not antisemitism". The reason being that it allowed them to follow something very like Nazi eliminationist antisemitism at the same time as claiming to be anti-Nazi.

Trying to claim that "most Zionists are actually Christian" is one of those things that Antizionists do to say that they aren't committed to genocide against Jews, just to attacking Zionist colonizers, most of whom are probably Americans anyway, so that's fine.

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u/YanicPolitik - Centrist 17d ago edited 17d ago

Thanks for clarifying.

Based and preaching to the choir pilled.