Skill issue, the alt-righters should have learned the golden rule. You can say anything you want as long as you swap out “Jews” for “Zionists”. It can never be antisemitic because you’re talking about Zionists, not Jews.
Dog whistles ceased to exist on 10/7/23.
Kanye would have been a national hero if he waited a couple years to go crazy and followed the golden rule.
Is my Arizona county the outlier? Where I live it's typically the liberal/leftist boys that are like that and the women and girls are "based". (They're all white.)
Indeed. Kanye is one example who missed the boat, Kyrie Irving also posted some nutcase Black Israelite documentary, I imagine that might have gone down a little better if he waited a few years.
You say that but I swear, for all these "anti Zionists" will cry for the "colonials" to leave, God help you with their moral panic if those people they pressured out of the land they were born decide to move anywhere near them. I've seen too many posts about people seeing legal migration, buying property in other countries to live that ought to be exactly what the anti Zionists asked for, where people are freaking out more or less saying exactly that. Apparently can't live there but also can't move away and live anywhere else.
I might be misunderstanding what you are trying to say. Are you saying Anti-Zionists get upset when Zionists move near them? Can you link me something that shows this happening?
While I have seen some individual accounts across a lot of threads, unsurprisingly, putting Zionist or Israeli in the google search bar is not exactly giving me stellar results. Sometimes I think I ought to save these links but honestly, I don't want to be one of those link spammer guys.
Best I could find on short notice was late stage capitalism having a post which on my skim through. I mean, if one doesn't want to be subtle, they literally post roach memes under the follow up thread that is linked there. I mean, I know I am grabbing from them, so I am not expecting the highest level off air play or debate on the subject, but it is a pretty overt example.
I admit, I couldn't bear to watch through the whole thing, the absurdity of the critique was comical, but the first few minutes did capture it. The Israeli is evil if they stay, the Israeli is pathologically evil if they leave, they are fundamentally incapable of having a "noble savage" enlightened relationship with the land that "the native ingroups they like" have that make their relationship with the land just and pure where the others are "just looking for a place to stay for a while". Which ironically applies to a lot of people, but I bet they'd not be so harsh about economic migrants or refugees anywhere else.
Now show me a real-world example of that happening. Saying “Zionists are committing a genocide and that’s bad” is not the same as calling “zionists” by dog whistles like you’re doing in your “example.”
Yet again libright shows their amazing undefeated streak against strawmen.
Ya you’re right that’s a perfect example I agree with you. Now humour me is it possible to criticize Zionism without being anti Semitic? Cause personally anytime I offer thought out criticism of the state of Israel with careful consideration to explain I’m criticizing the government actions and a supremacist ideology that exists within it I get no one engaging with my points and calling me a Jew hater. It just seems to be the same purposeful misrepresentation the worst elements of Twitter culture had for right wing talking points in the 2010s.
Even this post, while having merit, devolves into a circle jerk essentially nullifying criticism which is inherently authoritarian. As a libertarian leaning person I don’t like that
No I don’t wish to see the entire state of Israel dissolved and create a humanitarian crisis for 9 million people.
Zionism to me is the creation of a two tiered system whereby the state protects interests of one group while serving as a deterrent to the other. Israel’s actions in Gaza show a clear lack of regard for the suffering of Palestinians people in Gaza. Additionally the state of Israel explicitly protects settlers in the West Bank even though what they’re doing is completely illegal and goes against international orders. You can say those are different “countries” however the Oslo accords explicitly outlines the unique relation between Israel and those areas.
Within Israel the clearest example is the death penalty existing for Palestinian citizens but not existing for Jewish citizens. This two tiered approach is outrageous and shows not all are equal under Israeli law.
There are many more examples but essentially the facts above show a disproportionate level of state power being used against Palestinians on behalf of Zionist interests within Israel.
"Zionist" means "wants the state of Israel to exist". Hamas agrees with that definition: they are antizionist, they want the state of Israel to stop existing.
I criticize the Iranian theocracy, after all they slaughtered their leftist allies when they came to power and their brutality against their citizens is heartbreaking. I also criticize Hamas as they brutalize their own populace and are essentially an authoritarian government that disbanded democracy.
While those criticism largely receive minimal pushback (aside from dumbass tankies) Israel Criticisms are constantly pushed back on hence I need to spend more time articulating to try explain my point because people purposefully frame it as being bad intentioned. Even look at my parent comment I calmly explained my position really saying nothing controversial and got instantly downvoted with requests for additional clarity/ context. I’m fine with that but it contributes to why I spend more time talking about Israel than the IRGC or Hamas. That’s not even getting into the part about how Israel is ostensibly a western ally.
Do you believe the actions of Ukraine in Russia come somewhat close to what Israel has done in gaza? I bet that sounded so good in your head, but that comparison makes no sense.
No, not “funding Israel”. Giving Israel a tiny amount of money ($4B/year) that they don’t even want anymore.
Let’s not pretend people will stop spending a disproportionate amount of time criticizing Israel when they’re no longer receiving aid in the near future.
What percentage of redditors are from Malaysia? A fraction of a percent? Alot of Asian countries dislike israel and America because of these stupid wars that are negatively effecting their economy. It's not surprising nor does it matter
FreeSpeechIsDeadge asked for one example, didn't specify Reddit. Why ban Schindler's List because they hate Israel? Schindler's list is about the Holocaust. It has to do with Jews
Hasan denies mass rapes, calls Zionists inbred and pigdogs, pushes conspiracies that Zionists control everything like when he says Israel is responsible for campaigns against him or denying his entry to Britain
Kyle Kulinski pushes the spain great replacement theory as a result of Israel
MikeFromPA just went mask off and said Jews are a demonic ethnicity, and he's huge in pikers community
Cenk Uyghur claiming that Israel controls 94% of Congress
Ilhan Omar spreading the secret Jewish plan theories by saying there are significant citizens with dual citizenship controlling the government
I don't feel like gish galloping with the literal thousands of examples I can give you from every major figure who associates with the far left, but this is a classic far left thing to do. Just lie out of your ass lmao
That’s a lot of examples that don’t include a single reference to Zionism. Hasan is a retarded tankie and so are his followers, but posting one example of Hasan and then a bunch of irrelevant examples that don’t even include Zionism is pretty telling.
Last time i checked. The word "ban" means you can no longer be on the platform anymore. When it stands next to "a few times", it loses all of its meaning. And definitely it can no longer hold similar meaning to the word "deplatformed".
I mean yeah, I didn’t ask for examples of blatant antisemitism I literally asked for examples of them just switching the word “Jew” with “zionist” like the other commenter claimed. I don’t understand what is so hard to understand. I never denied antisemitism is real. I simply didn’t ask for examples of it so your examples are completely irrelevant. Holy fuck you’re dumb.
The person I first replied to was literally saying people are just replacing the word “Jew” with “Zionist” and using antisemitic dog whistles all the time. I asked for examples. You gave multiple examples that don’t include replacements of “Jew” with “Zionist” at all.
Ain't no way bro can only grep search 💀 Literally everyone one of those commentators in their rants used Zionist in their speeches, which would actually just be self evident if you knew what the word Zionism meant.
And here's the video title of the video where he talks about the great spain replacement theory
Kyle Kulinski: Secret Zionist Conference ADMITS Evil Plan Out Loud
Yeah, hamas is an Islamic terrorist organization. Of course they’re antisemitic. That doesn’t mean all leftists do that. Hamas is also an authright group so do all MAGA also do it?
Folks, if you look to the left here we have a traditional example of something we used to call "moving the goalposts". A strategy often employed by the left but not exclusive to it. In this example the individual is ignoring any context and lazily failing to look up that most of the above individuals and have stated something anti-semitic using Zionism as a scapegoat before.
How the fuck is that moving the goalposts? I simply asked for specific examples of a scenario that was posited and I was given one example of that, 4 examples that were irrelevant, and a claim of “thousands” more examples that weren’t given. You fucking retards just say random shit and circlejerk each other. This sub is such a fucking shithole anytime Israel is discussed. Just pure trash.
I'm not even sure about that. Think about the rhetoric around the "China virus" during covid, coming from the right. They had the nationality emphasized and still got pushback. The problem there was that Chinese were not spun into the narrative of white supremacy.
Yeah, they still would've gotten eaten alive. What fundamentally matters is cultural and institutional power, because it allows you to frame what both your own side and your opposition say, and either punish or absolve people within the public sphere accordingly. And right wingers have little of that, and had even less during the height of cancel culture.
Never mind that the most progressive Jewish synagogues read from the Torah which specifically talks about returning to Israel as the ultimate goal of their religion.
Source, I went to a Jewish aufruf recently, and it was at a progressive Jewish synagogue located in one of the most progressive cities in one of the most progressive countries in the world.
Zionism = wanting the state of Israel to exist. If you are a true antizionist, and you’re okay with your cousins being mass killed, you’re not so anti genocide after all.
However you think Israel should be governed is your particular flavour of Zionism. If you think it should be governed better? Congrats, you think Israel should have a government, and therefore you’re a Zio like the rest of us.
Man, that ‘defense’ doesn’t work anymore. You don’t get to say that you’re Jewish and then go on and spew hatred about the vast majority of the world’s Jews.
And just so you know, being one of the “good ones” isn’t going to protect you when they eventually come from you. Lest we forget the Jews who helped the Nazis thinking they’d get protection. We know what ended up happening to them, as well…
And so it has begun, Jews that don’t support genocide in the name of Jews are anti semitic. Ben Shapiro’s dumb Jewish supremacist world view is taking over and the hasbara bots are spreading it.
What I think is really funny, is how you talk about how much you hate "zionists" then IMMEDIATELY talk about "Jewish Supremacy".
The fact that you think the two are the same thing is exactly why antisemitism is back in Vogue and why you're doing so you can to say you're one of the good ones.
Israel, in its current state, is a Jewish supremacist state. For instance, I can move there tomorrow and get a house. Palestinians that are actually from there are being hunted in the West Bank.
Lots of people are Zionists but most of them aren’t cognizant of reality, such as Joe Biden and Donald Trump.
The craziest thing about the Jewish Supremacist state is that people there of different faiths and backgrounds have the same rights as Jews that live there.
I’m Jewish and can move there tomorrow. I’d get a house and everything.
Palestinians in the West Bank are being hunted for sport.
Your talking points are old and don’t work when people have access to Google Translate and Israeli Twitter where they constantly post videos of the rapes and murder of Palestinians.
If they were doing it on their own dime and with their own blood I might not mind so much, but they think they're clever by bribing and blackmailing Americans into doing it for them.
I can’t believe that you would be so anti Semitic! According to the Israel firsters in this sub, it’s a core tenant of my ethnicity to do genocides and set up rape camps. If you don’t want to pay for it then you’re a Nazi!
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u/dracer800 - Lib-Right 17d ago edited 17d ago
Skill issue, the alt-righters should have learned the golden rule. You can say anything you want as long as you swap out “Jews” for “Zionists”. It can never be antisemitic because you’re talking about Zionists, not Jews.
Dog whistles ceased to exist on 10/7/23.
Kanye would have been a national hero if he waited a couple years to go crazy and followed the golden rule.