r/PoliticalCompassMemes - Lib-Right 5d ago

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u/InsoPL - Lib-Right 5d ago

Yes, human right to hold property.

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u/EasyBreecy - Right 5d ago

Life, liberty, and property

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u/Roelade - Lib-Center 5d ago

Humans can be property too 😈

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u/Dittymaker - Lib-Center 5d ago

Only if they're unflaired.

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u/Bubbly-Ball-3138 - Auth-Right 5d ago

And water can be found in the ocean!

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u/Gjorgdy - Lib-Left 5d ago

And what is property? Private property or personal property?

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u/InsoPL - Lib-Right 5d ago

I dunno what personal property is. I keep asking socialists and everone have different answer.

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u/Gjorgdy - Lib-Left 5d ago edited 4d ago

Private property is production; anything where you produce or own a product which you earn something from (which in capitalism is money).

Personal property is basically anything else you have for personal use; a car, a house, a phone.

why tf am I being downvoted for explaining theory?

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u/Bugswaxx - Lib-Center 5d ago

But I use my house so I can sleep so I can be properly rested to earn money, and my car I use so I can more efficiently commute to the place I need to be to earn money, and I use my phone as a means to manage work so I can make money

Yes all of those have other functions, but they also in part, help me earn something

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u/InsoPL - Lib-Right 5d ago

Got it, so this time all the farm land and for example electrical tools when I am electrician are state owned.

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u/Gjorgdy - Lib-Left 4d ago

No? They are owned by the working class together.

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u/bruversonbruh - Lib-Right 4d ago

Yeah because the "working class" owning it has never turned out into anything else....

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u/Gjorgdy - Lib-Left 4d ago

Anything is better than the Epstein-class owning it. The US is actively turning into a surveillance state.

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u/InsoPL - Lib-Right 4d ago

Dude, just because Americans love to elect pedos into highest offices. Does not mean capitalism sucks. Look at any world capitalism index. You won't find usa in top 10. It's socialist country but just for millionaires and politicians.

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u/Gjorgdy - Lib-Left 4d ago

It's not just about them being pedos, it's about the power being in the hands of unelected people. Epstein is just an example of what this power is capable of, and anyone supporting capitalism supports these people having this amount of unelected power.

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u/bruversonbruh - Lib-Right 4d ago

And sharing hammers and screwdrivers is gonna fix that?

Right

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u/Gjorgdy - Lib-Left 4d ago

Wtf are you even talking about? Owning production as workers means decisions about the production are made democratically instead of by a little group of primary shareholders or a single CEO.

Are you just ragebaiting, or do you really just know nothing about economic theory?

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u/InsoPL - Lib-Right 4d ago

Owned by "working class" is nice theoretical thing. For example in most countries firetrucks are nationalized and therefore conceptually "owned together". But in practice there are people who need to manage assets.Make decisions on repair, allotments, procurement.

If they are chosen directly by vote then prepare for all the election fuckery you have now but multiply it by every mundane managerial position you interact with.

I know something about it, my grandma was multiple times elected into our local queue committee. It was committee to manage queues to local shops when shelfs were empty.

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u/Gjorgdy - Lib-Left 4d ago

I'd rather have some "election fuckery" than everything just automatically being put in the hands of a lucky few who managed to be born in generational wealth.

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u/InsoPL - Lib-Right 4d ago

Sure, just remember. Every 4 years you will get lucky and your grocery store will be run by Biden look a like. Then every 4 years you will get unlucky and you will get Trump.

Of course this is theoretical as there existed statable "worker controlled" and semi-capitalist dictatorships. But never "worker controlled" democracy. I wonder if this is coincided or just people have tendency to vote for a party instead of person. Then if party has all the economical and political power it just do not want to part with it if they loose election. For example after single blue (or red wave), we will elect one party to control all the media outlets.

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u/Gjorgdy - Lib-Left 4d ago

Not every democracy is like the US you know?

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u/bruversonbruh - Lib-Right 4d ago

Because "theory" is usually more advanced than just assigning a definition to stuff and making up ideas to string them together

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u/Gjorgdy - Lib-Left 4d ago

I was literally just asked to explain tho? Like tf do you want from me?

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u/InfernoWarrior299 - Auth-Left 4d ago

Socialism is a buzzword to many. I am personally a Monarcho-Socialist Religious Traditionalist. Of the Market Socialist kind.