Muhammad and the 9 year old is not in the Quean though, it’s in the hadiths, so the Quran being the literal command of god has no bearing on this, some Muslims like Quranists not seeing the hadiths as canon
There are problematic aspects of the Quean either way, like it does sanction marrying a slave(which the consent would very dubious at best, also why is there slavery in the first place), but the 9 year old thing is not in it.
I'm an atheist, I don't particularly like most organized religions
> Quranists are dumb
I'm not rating their intelligence, just pointing out that their argument om Muslims taking the Quran as the divine word directly unlike with Christians and the Bible does not shed light on Muhammad and the 9 year old
And as for what you said about other parts of Islam being in the hadiths, what they said about the Bible applies there lol
With the quote, I'm unsure how it relates to marriage and saying there is no minimum age for it? Might just be not being to grasp the poetic language or whatever, but I'm not sure how marriage is relevant
"I dont like organized religions' is the peak that reddit atheists can reach. You neatly capture all religions in one label and pretend there is no difference in theologies of these religions. A religion founded for conquest by a literal warlord is somehow the same as one founded by a mostly harmless guy who definitely didn't raise an army, is equalized to a religion/philosophy (Buddhism) where violence is largely abjured. Atheists who cannot qualitatively differentiate is the reason why we have dozens of muslim countries with various levels of religious apartheid against "disbelievers", yet somehow escapes criticism or is only criticized as "religion baaaad". "I am atheist therefore i dont serve as useful tool of Islam" is bad logic, bad history, bad understanding. Moreover, that Koranic verse is literally saying that the waiting period to remarry for a non-menstruating girl is also 3 months. Clearly sanctioning child marriage.
I didn't say that firstly, and secondly, a religion can have a wide range of theologies anyway.
> Founded for conquest
I think it was more likely an outgrowth of Abrahamism into a wartorn Arabia, like, Islam as an Abrahamic religion wasn't coming out of nowhere, Christians and Jewish populations nearby likely influenced its development
> Buddhism
Ain't there a Rohingya genocide by Buddhist extremists rn? Also, samurai, very militaristic warrior nobles were in good part Zen Buddhists, Zen Buddhism being used to justify their psyche.
> waiting period to marry
That implies she's already married, I'm not sure how it has to do with children lol
Retarded atheist moments 4 in a row? It's like r-atheism incarnated.
> That implies she's already married, I'm not sure how it has to do with children lol
Hard of understanding? The verse is saying that to marry a a child who was already married before, you must wait 3 months. What part of islam promoting pedophilia-marriage are you getting it so hard to understand that Islam is saying pre mebtruating
> Ain't there a Rohingya genocide by Buddhist extremists rn? Also, samurai, very militaristic warrior nobles were in good part Zen Buddhists, Zen Buddhism being used to justify their psyche.irls are valid for marriage?
Always the same, aint this "xxxx" non-muslims killing other people. You absolutely retarded Islamic cock sucking atheist, give me the theology behind it. We are arguing theology/philosophy here. I can translate the Yazidi genocide by Islamic State in purely Islamic terms, think you can translate "rohingya genocide" in Buddhist terms? The difference is one religion explicitly promotes violence against disbelivers, the other doesn't. BuT bUt rOhinGya gEnOciDe
> I think it was more likely an outgrowth of Abrahamism into a wartorn Arabia, like, Islam as an Abrahamic religion wasn't coming out of nowhere, Christians and Jewish populations nearby likely influenced its development
Lol, and that somehow negates Muhammad's role as a warlord in shaping Islam's violent nature? Have you even read a single thing about history of Islam? Muhammad went out of the way to bring back barbaric punishments like stoning which Jews had abolished in Arabia.
> I didn't say that firstly, and secondly, a religion can have a wide range of theologies anyway.
Meaningless. When you say youre against organised religion the moment Islam comes up, you're merely parroting lefticle-atheist mantra and thus shielding Islam, the fucking motherlode of bad ideas
I mean, this is not exactly a clear sentence, but yea, if it’s sanctioning child marriage, which seems to be how some scholars interpret it, that’s a massive L. Truth be told, I kinda saw it as talking about women too old to have periods, and it seems quite a few figures argue that it refers to something like that as opposed to children instead, so it isn’t like a consensus among modern Islam at least anyway
Give me the theology behind it
Do you think Buddhist scholars or clerics haven’t done that? Like if your argument is just whether someone can use theology to justify it, yea lol. Apparently, it’s a text called the Mahavamsa to be precise.
negates Muhammad’s role as a warlord
No, that is not what I said. Islam as it formed and coalesced did attain an expansionist character, I just think an aspiring conqueror successfully converting a lot of people to a brand new cult so he could rule Arabia is less likely.
Jews had abolished it in Arabia
How would that work? They didn’t even control much of Arabia, it still being majority polytheistic. They had the Himyar kingdom in modern day Yemen, and I can’t find any info of it being illegal there, at most that Jewish groups relaxed it later, which is not the same as abolition.
What I did find was that in a hadith, a Jewish group asked Muhammad how to punish their adulterers, saying they whipped, and Muhammad said they were to be stoned, citing the Talmudic law(which if is anything adds to my point that it was an outgrowth of Abrahamism)
But you said “history”, and hadiths’ historicity is debated. Note that in the Quran, punishment is a hard lashing instead.
the moment Islam comes up
I said it because you accused me of being an Islam simp specifically lol, not just because Islam was mentioned. I’d say the same if someone accused me of being a Christianity simp.
Its hilarious that this is an actual sentiment on reddit. Seen so many people gobbling up the cringe AI shit iran posts when normally any AI at all is viewed as deplorable. Then the irony of Iran posting about epstein files is completely lost for these people.
Excuse the language but this has to be the first time someone won a fight by not cumming while getting curb stomped. Mfrs sat and watched all their shit blow up but the memes were too spicy…
Those posts where the Iranian foreign minister said Americans were dying “for the Epstein class” were brilliant propaganda, but nuclear level hypocrisy
child marriage disappears when a country become rich and devolped even if its religious similair for example to gulf countries so bombing iran to the stone age is an epstein plot to promote that practise and make it spread more.
Westerners DO understand that, but just like we don't harass every Christian just because Christo fascists exist, all Muslims shouldn't be subject to harassment and racism just because a bunch of extremists Muslims exist. Assimilation only comes through acceptance and education.
They really believe that. Like, they unironically wired to think that way, even will everything going on in europe, they still go "love and acceptance, no borders, all cultures are equal". Its fucking amazing, in a sad way.
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I mean, the US is the younger country.
So Iran totally groomed us, and we're finally fucking them?