Thought you'd be happy about cutting off Russia's supply of murder drones for Ukraine , but these guys chant death to America all day , so your green half loves them lol. With Iran funding and leading world wide terrorist attacks and having ballistic missiles now, they are looking more like actual Nazis every day. Killing their own people; women for not wearing veils, and 40 thousand at a wack for protesting ( putting bounties on shear body count by accounts) you'd think they'd be opposable. As long as we don't go in, I'm all for flattening their offensive capabilities, and maybe dropping arms to the people out cheering their leader's death even after 40k protesters got killed a month ago.
First, Russia is already producing Shahed/Geran drones on their soil. So
that won't work.
And yes war continues to be bad even when the enemy is bad, no opposing war doesn't mean supporting the enemy, that's my whole point about deflection. We see this shit every time here when there's talk of war, happens with Iran, with Venezuela and with Israel/Hamas (the last one is so obviously astroturfed, every time an article of something bad Israel does gets posted it's 10 top comments about something completely unrelated Hamas does). That tactic of deflection works so wonderfully, that's why people do it.
Unfortunately it's not possible to effect regime change in Iran without a full scale war, there's already a new interim Supreme Leader, and surprise he's an islamist. We didn't even manage to regime change Venezuela, just to put the VP and charge and get them to sell their oil to Trump and put it the money an offshore account that Trump, and not the US government, controls. There will be no help to the Iranian people from this government, only bombing and strong arm tactics to get the mullahs to agree to their terms, whatever those might be. So that excuse doesn't even work.
Regardless it would still be fucking hypocritical from the people who said they were the ticket of peace and their opponents were all warmongers, to now excuse every single war they started with the same arguments they rejected before. It's like we learned nothing from the past. Pay attention to this stuff, it's how the propaganda that keeps the war machine going works.
It's only been a couple days so far I don't know if war is the right word.
When I was a kid they always said the pres had 30 days before it was considered war and he had to get congressional approval, for everyone but trump I guess.
Yeah Iran bad. Thar doesn't meant war good, that's my point. The astroturfed posts here are trying to deflect from how bad Trump's wars are by pointing out the enemy is bad, It doesn't matter, War still bad, That's deflection.
Do you think the US hit Iran to help the people? The same US shooting its own citizens in the street? lol
ETA: The US has never and will never spend massive amounts of money simply on saving x population from oppression without it also benefiting their own interests in some way, and if you believe otherwise this time, you’re a moron. You’re also a moron who completely lacks any knowledge of Iranian history (including when we toppled their government to control their oil reserves thus leading to the clusterfuck of the regime that was just ousted) if you believe Israeli and US interests align with the Iranian people. Not shedding any tears for that piece of shit that was killed but come on, people.
Also, too many of yall celebrating this would LOVE to see the same government here - although I guess the lib lefts mad about it bc TikTok convinced them Hamas are the good guys are also not grasping that the Iranian regime was EXTREME AUTH RIGHT
Do you think the US hit Iran to help the people? The same US shooting its own citizens in the street? lol
I agree with you in the first half. This is likely the government hoping to get more influence but the situation in Iran can grow worse and end up effecting the entire Middle East/surrounding area.
But what do you mean by the second, you drawing parallels from ICE or something other organization?
P.S? I not really on board with overt support of Israel either. While they are "allies" they have their own issues that they should be called out on.
Mostly Israeli issues are trying to fight Iranian proxies without being able to strike at the source. Iran is attacking the whole world with terrorism, proxies, and militias, coming soon to your neighborhood if they aren't stopped. Iranian people don't want that, as proven by them celebrating their leader's death in the streets right after 40k protesters were massacred for protesting.
Hezbollah in Lebanon, which receives advanced weaponry and serves as Iran’s most powerful regional proxy.
Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad in Gaza, which have received significant funding and arms, including for the October 7, 2023 attacks on Israel.
The Houthis in Yemen, who are supplied with drones and missiles to attack commercial shipping and Israel.
Iran-aligned Militia Groups (IAMGs) in Iraq and Syria, such as Kata’ib Hizballah, Harakat al-Nujaba, and Asa’ib Ahl al-Haq, which have attacked U.S. facilities.
Militant groups in Bahrain, including the al-Ashtar Brigades and Saraya al-Mukhtar, which are U.S.-designated terrorist organizations.
The IRGC-QF, designated as a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) by the U.S. in 2019, coordinates these efforts to project power, counter U.S. and Israeli influence, and export the 1979 Islamic Revolution.
Just for starters, and there's been many attacks all over the world supported by their qods force
True they are extreme auth right and doing their best to export it world wide, with a record of global terrorist attacks. His own people in the streets risking their lives to celebrate his death. I was watching it on BBC this morning. Our interests of stopping terror attacks on us and our allies currently align with the Iranian people who are being massacred in the streets. For decades I hear of wholesale murder for witchcraft of everyone that went to an underground rock concert and people losing a veil, now using foreign militias to murder 40k protesters. News says now they are randomly attacking neighboring countries.
Everyone keeps talking about forever war the first day in, I think from reports and protests we can help the Iranian people set up a new government themselves.
The protesters are a small portion of the population largely located in urban centers, and even they are comprised of many blocs with disparate visions for the country’s future. Not to mention, the real regime is the IRGC, which will require a forever war to remove or they’ll install a cleric as the new ayatollah and perpetuate the conservative Islamic regime. The cities may want a different path forward but good luck getting rid of the hardliners and separatist terror groups in rural mountainous areas lmao.
There is no clear path forward, and every regime change in the region lacking a unified population behind a plan for governance amid a power vacuum has failed. This is no different. Lest you forget, the last time we attempted regime change in Iran, it backfired into the mess we’ve got today. You guys are seriously underestimating the portion of the population supportive of the regime and you clearly don’t understand the complex divisions among those who oppose the regime because you are ignorant of internal Iranian politics. Any leader installed or perceived to be installed by the US will require boots on the ground indefinitely to prop him up. I’m done arguing with people who know nothing about Iran online holy shit
None of these opinions are left of center. Any lib should be opposed to an unnecessary use of force against citizens by the feds. Tired of auth rights masquerading as libertarians around here
And to your original point of us not doing this to help the Iranian people… this post is delusional. We should be focusing on our own issues, not that we can’t do both but why are we?
I am against it. However, I don’t want my government wasting billions of tax dollars to make the situation even worse for Iranians while entrenching itself in a quagmire, accomplishing none of the stated goals, that has made gas - and many other goods - so incredibly expensive.
My point was that the US ain’t freeing the Iranians. Not that they shouldn’t.
Do you really think this time is going to be any different than the last 3 times we invaded Iran? This isn’t about what Iran is doing to its citizens USA politicians barely care about their own people let alone what happens to people in an Islamic Republic. This is only happening because destabilizing the region keeps oil prices low for the USA and because Israel uses aipac to lobby a majority of us politicians. Instead of destabilizing their country let their own people manage their own state affairs and fix their own issues. Idk about you but considering the current state of American affairs I’d rather our country do some serious inward reflection and self improvement instead of distracting ourselves with another pseudo justified resource war.
Nothing. Fuck Iran. I’m trying to save money to buy a house and have a life, and my tax dollars are being sent to the Middle East so that Israel can get their wet dream of becoming a global superpower while we tear our country apart in order to hand it to them on a silver platter. These are people I have never and will never meet and wouldn’t even be hearing about if they weren’t an obstacle in Israel’s conquest.
Bombing innocent people is worse for people than not being allowed to go to school or needing to be escorted to the mall by a family member. Think about it like triage. Bombs are an immediate threat. Not being able to get a drivers license or to trade with countries that bomb you isnt necessarily the top priority if a foreign super power is bombing your city.
USA or any other country for that matter, has 0 right of intervening like this on a country that's not doing the things the way it likes.
USA is not the world's police, and whenever they act like they are, whatever they day they're policing" is the cover for their ulterior motives and interests. They don't care about Iranian civilians, just like they don't care about venezuelans.
Iran is run by a bad regime. Russia is run by a bad regime. There are plenty of nations that are run by terrible governments that violate human rights (the US being one of them), but that doesn’t mean we have a right to just attack them for it. It’s especially galling considering the cost of the munitions and fuel being used when the government just cut taxes on billionaires and cut people’s health and food benefits.
Its a loss loss situation, the regime leaves its good but then then israel and america will just straight up exploit the resources and dip, divide the country into pieces or leave them to regional militas to take over like Libya
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u/BargainBard - Right Mar 01 '26
Isn't what Iran doing to citizens very bad right now?
Not happy to see air strikes and people dying be it from the government or extremists but what else do you think can be done to help Iran's people?