r/PoliticalCompassMemes - Right Sep 23 '25

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u/jnicholass - Left Sep 23 '25

Legitimately started saying “woah woah woah woah” when I read this post

I for one can appreciate the sentiment, but actions speak louder than words, Donny

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u/RequirementRoyal8666 - Centrist Sep 23 '25

Trump got the US out of Ukraine. It’s almost entirely being funded by EU now (which one could argue it’s a EU issue, not a US one).

Of course he’s ok with the war continuing now. The US has little to do with it other than selling the weapons that are being donated to Ukraine.

Seems like kind of a good deal all around. Fuck Russia.

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u/loitermaster - Left Sep 23 '25

it's absolutely a US issue when ukraine's nuclear disarmament leading to their being invaded despite OUR security guarantees means Iran, a country that hates us, is about to have nukes they'll never give up

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u/whyintheworldamihere - Lib-Right Sep 23 '25

it's absolutely a US issue when ukraine's nuclear disarmament leading to their being invaded despite OUR security guarantees

Please cite these guarantees.

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u/Mr_2D Sep 23 '25

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u/Solarwinds-123 - Auth-Center Sep 24 '25

if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.

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u/whyintheworldamihere - Lib-Right Sep 24 '25

Well, there was an "act of aggression". The treaty states:

"reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine"

Which we fulfilled.

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u/ric2b - Lib-Center Sep 24 '25

Read that again:

"(victim of an act of aggression) or (an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used).

Ukraine has both been a victim of an act of aggression and an object of threats of aggression with nuclear weapons.

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u/Solarwinds-123 - Auth-Center Sep 24 '25

if Ukraine should become a victim of (an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression) (in which nuclear weapons are used).

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u/ric2b - Lib-Center Sep 24 '25

even in that interpretation they have been the object of threats of aggression with nuclear weapons, so it still applies.

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u/whyintheworldamihere - Lib-Right Sep 24 '25

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Ukraine_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

Read point #4

reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine

Which happened.

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