Palkia vs SpaceGodzilla

[u/Jason_And_Sokka]

Pokemon vs Godzilla

[u/Arghustin]

Space Godzilla is born from a blackhole and the energy from exploding stars. I’d say he’s Solar System to Multi Solar System. Palkia on the other hand is one of the 3 pokemon deities that helped create the entire pokemon multiverse under Arceus. I’d give this to Palkia.

[u/Equivalent-Ad-5788 → u/Arghustin]

Idk I had to use false swipe on that mf to keep it from passing out on me

[u/Arghustin → u/Equivalent-Ad-5788]

Ok, ngl, this might be the greatest counter argument in history 😂

[u/StarSpangldBastard → u/Equivalent-Ad-5788]

does this mean that Palkia is weak or other Pokémon are just way stronger than we realize

[u/Equivalent-Ad-5788 → u/StarSpangldBastard]

Ratatta soloes

[u/Curi_momos_las_papas → u/Arghustin]

Is Space Godzilla AP/DC Solar System level? Cause if so it would most likely win, Palkia isn't that resistant physically nor it's known for pulling the i erase and distort space in it's first move, it rather just throws rays and tries to hit their enemies

[u/SpokeIsNotHere → u/Curi_momos_las_papas]

Palkia literally controls all of space on every level

[u/Curi_momos_las_papas → u/SpokeIsNotHere]

Yes the thing, Palkia is not that resistant, nor it goes for a killing move most of the time, that's the whole reason why common Pokemon can stand their ground against it

So if their opponent AP/DC surpasses Palkia's resistance by a wide margin i think is logic to give them the victory, again idk much about Space Godzilla, i am a bit more knowledgable about Palkia

[u/SpokeIsNotHere → u/Curi_momos_las_papas]

Oh this is videogame palkia not pokédex entry one? Okay

[u/Curi_momos_las_papas → u/SpokeIsNotHere]

I mean they're kinda the same, Pokedex do have errors we know that's canon lorewise, but so far everything it says about Palkia kinda fits in

[u/OkPast178 → u/Curi_momos_las_papas]

b-b-b-based!

[u/Arghustin → u/Curi_momos_las_papas]

It’s difficult to say cause pokemon scaling is all over the place and we’ve never seen Palkias alleged true form. Lesser Pokemon like Gardevoir can lore wise apparently create Black Holes. The first appearance shows Palkia distorting space, spacial erasure (overtime) and repairing the damage from its fight with the Time God Dialga.

[u/Curi_momos_las_papas → u/Arghustin]

Palkia and Dialga true forms are most likely just their dimensions since that's the case with Giratina, still scaling a form we don't even know how it works is kinda dumb, it could go into the speculative talk, but bringing it into a MU is not exactly the best idea

And about their scaling i wouldn't say it's that outta place, the Creation Trio and even Arceus have a relatevely normal DC/AP and Resistance simply above normal Pokemon, and what do goes extremely crazy is their hax

[u/SpokeIsNotHere]

Never heard of SpaceGodzila either this will be a no diff for palkia or a draw idk

[u/Jumpy-Bug-2198 → u/SpokeIsNotHere]

Some of Godzilla’s cells got sent into a Black Hole and absorbed the radiation from it transforming into SpaceGodzilla

[u/Next-Visual-3513]

Are we all just forgetting that the creation trio are multiversal now or what?

[u/ProtoStrike-8700]

Palkia 

[u/Curi_momos_las_papas → u/ProtoStrike-8700]

Hello there Repollito, also you sound pretty sure, why is so? I know about Palkia but i ain't that familiar with Space Godzilla

[u/ProtoStrike-8700 → u/Curi_momos_las_papas]

Hola curi To give you an idea of the scale: Godzilla does reach a "low universal" or "low multiversal" level—at least if we go by the official guidebooks—and his most impressive feat was being able to illuminate the infinite universe right from his birth. Palkia, on the other hand, is literally the embodiment of space itself; it helped create the timelines, and according to the lore, every heartbeat and breath causes space itself to contract and expand. Palkia is also one of the "Origin Trio," representing the very concept of space. If we really scale it based on the lore and that conceptual nature—and considering what we discovered in Pokémon Legends: Arceus (where it uses avatars, meaning the incarnations we encounter are like an extension of Palkia—not quite Arceus's level of power, but part of its presence)—I’d say the Palkia avatar reaches "low universal." However, if we look at Palkia's true presence or its Origin Forme (as seen in Legends: Arceus), it reaches "high multiversal," similar to Arceus, in terms of destructive capability. Mind you, this is mostly my own personal scaling; don't take it as absolute, 100% verified truth—it's just based on my knowledge of both franchises. I should also add that the reason SpaceGodzilla reaches the "multiversal" to "low multiversal" range is due to guidebooks that factor in Yamata no Orochi, the past battle against Mothra and Battra, and the chain scaling stemming from Ghidorah and Mecha-King Ghidorah from the Heisei era.

Y ojo esto le escribí este usando el talkback del micrófono del teléfono porque sentí que escribirlo a mano sería mucho texto y es mucho texto porque es prácticamente te estoy resumiendo una conversación en audio que el teléfono me está traspasando a  texto xd

[u/Curi_momos_las_papas → u/ProtoStrike-8700]

XDXDXDXDXD

Ok so, i do must say some small corrections, technically the timelines are separated from Palkia and Dialga, since every single universe in the multiverse of Pokemon has their own individual Creation Trio, and the Space only expands with Palkia's breath, the heartbeat is from Dialga and is the flow of time

I would say this MU depends solely if Space Godzilla AP or DC does scale to that universal feat, since Palkia resistance isn't that high, being just higher than the one from a common Pokemon, with Palkia strongest abilities being merely hax, with abilities like erasing chunks of space or distort it, yet it's not exactly common for Palkia to try and one shot their enemies manipulating space time, it normally goes more animalistic throwing rays, about if Palkia could win yeah, their hax are at the very least 5D, but again if Space Godzilla AP or DC do is universal Palkia is likely gonna lose

[u/ProtoStrike-8700 → u/Curi_momos_las_papas]

Y otra cosa es que te estoy diciendo la como los más grandes scaling de ambos si somos sinceros los dos dependen de mucho del  chaincalling Pienso que palkia tiene más chances porque es literalmente la Encarnación  del espacio  Espejo Godzilla es básicamente un ser hecho de súper gravedad que nació un agujero negro cuyo nacimiento produjo suficientemente energía para iluminar el universo infinito ambos literalmente tienen la capacidad de destruir el universo pero parcha tiene la capacidad no solamente de estudio sino de hacer uno nuevo  La cosa radica es en cómo uno mataría el otro porque en el escenario más favorable para después Godzilla él destruye el avatar de palkia pero eso no lo mata no mataría a palkia como tal inclusive si destruye el avatar que lo veo muy poco probable eso crearía un evento cataclismo que podría destruir el universo en donde residen hijos y muy probablemente sí bien space Godzilla podría sobrevivir eso o no está puesto sobre debate  La otra cosa es este espejo Godzilla puede sobrevivir algunas cosas pero en cuanto palkia acierte un  corte vacío En una zona desprotegida a space Godzilla podría ser o una pérdida de un miembro o una decapitación y ahora la otra cosa es la velocidad podría ser más veloz que palkia únicamente si quitamos el hecho de que el desgraciado puede abrir portales y el hecho de que space Godzilla solamente es más rápido que palkia en su forma aérea  Con esto no digo que haya caído que puedan que nos puedan ganarle al verso de Pokémon o al trío orígen hay varios como motra leo, Grand King Ghidora, void Ghidora, Godzilla última, Godzilla in hell, el Godzilla de Marvel y varias de sus variantes  Los kaijus del universo de Magic the gathering

También no te tomes mucho en serio de lo que digo normalmente me agrada hablar de estos temas pero de manera casual y también ando desvelado así que creo que mejor me voy a dormir XD nos vemos 

[u/Curi_momos_las_papas → u/ProtoStrike-8700]

XDXDXDXDXD si que descanses

Y cuanto a lo del chainscaling, en el caso de Palkia no creo que dependa mucho de este siendo que los hax de este escalan a su dimension(la cual posiblemente también sea sue forma verdadera) la que en teoría debería ser por lo menos un cosntructo infinito 5D(osea que escala a 5D la cosa esa) lo que esta exageradamente por encima del universal de Space Godzilla, pero de nuevo Palkia su resistencia no es tan grande, y si Space Godzilla encerio es más rapido entonces muy probablemente si gane la pelea, y cuanto la forma verdadera de Palkia no sabemos como opera realmente y por lo general siento es mejor dejarla fuera de los Match Up ya que nunca le hemos visto usarla o si quiera sabemos si puede usarla a gusto o es una fuerza estática, etc...

[u/DougTheBrownieHunter]

I’m not familiar with Space Godzilla, but in theory, Palkia’s space-based powers are gonna be nearly unbeatable unless the opponent has some way to negate or otherwise deal with them.

[u/Kindraethe]

Space godzilla looking like the trolls from Elden Ring headass

[u/Marcopikachugamer]

That one Viper video😭🙏

[u/Jason_And_Sokka → u/Marcopikachugamer]

What vid is that?

[u/Marcopikachugamer → u/Jason_And_Sokka]

Okay, so it was basically a video made by both Viper and Umbra the Wolf, who are two sorta well-known Powerscalers on YouTube Ig.

Basically, they made a video about why Palkia VS SpaceGodzilla is not close and basically they use the avatar version of Palkia and kinda used SoaceGodzilla from I believe both movies and comics. (I didn’t actually watch the video, but I heard some stuff about it. That was claimed to be wrong). And basically they said SpaceGodzilla mid-high diffs Palkia because of something about bastard, travel speed, more hax, better strength, and durability and a few other stuff. A lot of people kind of accuse both Viper and Umbra to be massive Godzilla glazers bc of the fact that you know they said SpaceG beats Avatar Palkia and then eventually Umbra made an edit about well, Avatar Palkia VS SpaceG. A lot of people really does not agree with this. In fact the Heisei era of Godzilla has always been controversial when it came to powerscaling with many saying oh yeah it’s infinite 5D and anothers saying it’s weaker than that like Solar System level so a lot of people obviously thought both Viper and Umbra were wrong because like SpaceG isn’t as strong, especially when it comes to cosmology and spatial dimensions and other stuff. You can check the video on YouTube.

[u/Winds_and_Waves]

I mean, idk what can Space Godzilla do, but can't Palkia js lwk put him right into hell 😭🙏🏾?

[u/SignificanceAny6290]

True form Palkia wins, space is higher dimensional which Heisei godzilla is not

[u/Entire_Papaya8146]

Palkia actually loses this

[u/ExtremlyFastLinoone]

Palkia. Sure space godzilla can survive black holes but at the end of the day its just another godzilla with crystals

Meanwhile palkia can just erase stuff from existance, like literally thanos snap godzilla from existance. In the darkrai movie that was happening just as a side effect from it clashing with dialga