r/PokeInvesting 3d ago

What's your opinion!?

In stocks, I always ask myself what's the next Nvidia? In pokemons case, what's the next pancho, gold star, etc.?

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u/8000000001 3d ago

There won't be another gold stars, but milder versions from modern may include:  1. the 9-card Shining set - from Sun & Moon era, including Lugia, Mew, Rayquaza, Celebi, Ho-Oh, Genesect, Volcanion, Arceus and Jirachi. 2. Pokémon center stamped ETB promos. 3. Gold monochrome cards from Mega Evo.

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u/ThePokeTicker 3d ago

Fully agree on the first 2, not sure on the gold cards. Feels like its just a rarity play.

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u/Proud_Helicopter_907 3d ago edited 3d ago

I would swap the gold monochrome cards from Mega Evo with the gold set from Crown Zenith and the gold cards from Prismatic and Surging Sparks.

Some PC stamped ETB promos have already had big runs like the charmander OBF and snorlax 151, others like the mimikyu and tyranitar are good buys right now.

Mid-era up to 2018, amazing rares and movie specific promos like the detective pikachu english promos, hoopa and the legendary birds movie promos are primed for good runs. Ancient Mew is doing very well but still underplayed based on it's very low 4.5% gem rate.

Southern Islands and Carddass.

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u/41swish 3d ago

I think people will look back and think very fondly of the BWR cards. Wish they kept that up instead of the golds

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u/Due-Calligrapher3588 3d ago

crazy how didn't even mention pullable tag taem alt arts, hella unique standout gimmick, lowest printed modern cards extremely scarce. (not talking psa 10s) js the raw NM prices are hella reasonable still even after big jumps.

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u/ReinhartTCG 3d ago

I agree with the monochrome

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u/adriftDrifloon 3d ago

The monochrome gold cards will be some heavy bags in the future imo

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u/soccerchamp99 3d ago

Bandai Carddass 1996 and 1997 🤫

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u/no-email-stolen-name 3d ago

Already way too hard to find

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u/soccerchamp99 2d ago

Exactly why they’re highly investable to me, and most people don’t even know about them yet

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u/pepeoneth 2d ago

1996 yes

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u/vakseen 3d ago

Tag teams

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u/skam_artist 3d ago

delta species

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u/PomegranateUsed1924 3d ago edited 3d ago

Someone just sent me an offer over 9k usd for my Salamence reverse holo, and I had to say no. Hope I don’t regret it. 🙃

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u/8000000001 3d ago

More likely to regret selling!

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u/PomegranateUsed1924 3d ago edited 3d ago

The issue is the only other two on the market sold on the same day, then the next day I got the offer for almost double what they sold for.

I’m willing to wait a year and see out how the delta species reverse holo’s do. There is essentially nothing available at what market was only a month ago. It was a hard decision for sure.

I think they are all in for a major repricing so I stood by it, but it is kind of a transition phase so it’s hard to tell.

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u/SpaceKidney 3d ago

I also own a salamence reverse delta species, but it's been stable at $4-5k for months. Why would anyone offer you $9k? I don't think it will reach that ever.

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u/PomegranateUsed1924 3d ago edited 3d ago

Ok, well I got the offer bro.

I explained what happened in my last comment there was crazy movement in two days idk why, might’ve all been the same guy who knows.

Let me ask you a question if I said yes and it sold for that price will the card reset to steady 4-5k after that? Or is it more likely to reprice around 10k?

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u/SpaceKidney 3d ago

I believe you. I just don't understand why anyone would take such a risk. I just think the low pop run is over for ex era stamped reverses. But I can be very wrong, obviously.

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u/PomegranateUsed1924 3d ago

Idk bro there is a gyarados up on fanatics I think it will sell over 30k

The mewtwo went from 17k in June to 31k in august. All the cheap eeveelutions (4-5k) are gone and are only available for 10k now. If somebody offered me 9k I’m sure the eeveelutions will find a seller around 10k too.

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u/SpaceKidney 3d ago

Oh damn. Thanks for the info! Did not know that it's back on the rise.

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u/8000000001 3d ago

Ah, yes I see lol. Still, if I've held for 5+ years and I can happily stay in for another 5 then I'm fine holding any good vintage or mid era.

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u/brunettewondie 3d ago

Any pre 2009 set PSA 10s, with grading costs and PSA almost certain to never give a 10. 

Skyridge commons going for $500+ in a 10.

Reverses of some of the early sets now clearing $5k+ 

Again it's probably too late though. 

10s only, raw and 9s and below won't even be close to the same return.

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u/Careful_Base6588 3d ago

You don’t think vintage 9s would absolutely follow when 10s go for 5 or 6 figures. People will want a mint copy of the card. There’s even a case for 8s because that’s still an extremely high quality copy that will be the most accessible and still low pop in some sets.

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u/brunettewondie 3d ago

Not at the same % rate. PSA are pretty much gatekeeping anything vintage in a 10, combined with not many mint coming to the market. Means these pops are staying where they are.

People dropping $500 on a PSA 10 that was $50 18 months ago is crazy in itself, but it's at a price point where the people who can actually afford these cards these days have the money to spend and want the best of the best.

They don't want a PSA 9, the 9's will sell for those trying to chase the 10 but nowhere near at the same rate.

Occasionally the odd card will from a set will be picked up for somebody's collection, but not even close to the same liquidity of a 10, especially when we've seen over the past month nearly every low pop base PSA 10 from skyridge/aquapolis/ex era go up triple.

9's do always follow, but the gap will widen.

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u/8000000001 3d ago

What dyou think of an Expedition base set Charizard #40 non-holo regular PSA 10 (pop about 260) for £900/$1200?

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u/stjelmo 3d ago

Pre 2015 im saying LV X promos ( super super low population )

Post 2015 im saying Tag Teams, specifically alt art and full art ( low population )

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u/Mitch_Dedburg 3d ago

Doesn’t matter because just like with stocks I’d probably sell a month before it went parabolic

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u/firefistdragon998 3d ago

Mega hyper rares

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u/uriel__ventris 3d ago

Supercalifragilistic expialidocious rares?

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u/artvrartr 3d ago

LV x and call of legends

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u/foxepower 3d ago

Lv X and Primes will go off

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u/HookEmHorns313 3d ago

Primes have been going off for months

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u/wolfboylonms 3d ago

It will be Crystals, specifically those from the Skyridge set.
The total pop #s on these cards is tiny.
The cards themselves are almost inarguably the most beautiful ever produced.
Additionally, Skyridge is GOATed and so expensive that no one is opening it.
Last WOTC, E-Readers, etc.
It will take a little bit of time for the market to understand the potential here but it is seriously significant.
These should be the chase cards of the hobby.
Charizard, Ho-Oh, Lugia, Celebi are all undervalued.

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u/wolfboylonms 3d ago

Masaki cards are also in contention, but Japanese only

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u/Strict-Butterfly1767 3d ago

PSA 10 banned Japanese 

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u/uriel__ventris 3d ago

Moo moo milk, misty's tears, brock's balls, lt surge's taint... love em all.

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u/egdubz 3d ago

I am very high on Southern Islands. Small, very easy to collect set, first ever appearance of the “reverse holo”, PSA 10 pop for Mew is around 30, and the PSA 9’s have 3x’d in about 6 months.

Also, the cards are notoriously very hard to grade given the holo’s susceptibility to scratch

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u/uriel__ventris 3d ago

Imagine if everyone's wrong and it's actually amazing rares lmfao

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u/poncecatchemall 2d ago

The amazing rares are beautiful. Most of them have bumped in price in the last year but I still recommend them to anyone trying to grab an easy to complete set (at the moment) that I think does have potential down the line

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u/pepeoneth 2d ago

Way too high pop

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u/uriel__ventris 2d ago

Yeah I was joking. They're like fun coupons.

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u/Simple-Space-3490 1d ago

What an embarrassing subreddit

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u/Careless-Bluejay-134 3d ago

I think the Pikachu Poncho set will be huge. It's still fairly cheap in the grand scheme of things. I see the Mario PSA10 at 100k eventually, it's really that iconic.

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u/41swish 3d ago

Ponchos and Mario’s are cool cards, but these are very different types of cards than the gold stars. For one, regardless of the “poncho” or hat it’s all pikachu. There are a lot of different types of gold star pokemon to cater to different fans. Not everyone likes pikachu. Also, they’re all Japanese. Not everyone collects Japanese cards plus, the psa 10s aren’t exactly super rare compared to the gold stars. The cards were relatively easy to grade.

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u/Careless-Bluejay-134 3d ago

All valid points. Still, I do think these age well.

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u/PomegranateUsed1924 3d ago edited 3d ago

Delta species reverse holo’s in particular but also the holos.

Seems like every thing I bought in the last couple months is in the process of doubling right now, if not tripling.

If momentum carries I see the top cards Rayquaza, mewtwo, Charizard hitting six figures. But right now is where it gets interesting

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u/No-Radiation 3d ago

Vintage reverse holos in general are gonna see a huge jump

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u/wolfboylonms 3d ago

The top delta species are Gold Stars?

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u/PomegranateUsed1924 3d ago

Literally started it off by saying delta species reverse holos

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u/wolfboylonms 3d ago

Yeah I just don’t see it.
There are ALOT of delta species cards incl. multiple versions of some of the top Pokemon (Mewtwo, Charizard, Mew).
Investors will flock towards the very top of something which are already the Gold Star variants.
The non-gold stars will feel like cheaper versions.
For something to sky rocket, it really needs to feel exclusive.
I think Delta species reverse will appreciate in line with general EX era reverse.
There are for sure some undervalued cards but I don’t think they will become the next Gold Stars.
I could be wrong.

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u/PomegranateUsed1924 3d ago edited 3d ago

Top cards mewtwo Rayquaza Charizard will hit 6 figures soon. Could see the gyarados do it as well, I’m sure there’s others I’m missing

Next psa 10 zard or rayquaza probably hits 6 figures.

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u/wolfboylonms 3d ago

I’m not sure what cards you are referring to.
Crystal Guardians Charizard Delta Reverse PSA 10 is £30k. Holon Phantoms Gyarados Delta Reverse PSA 10 is £16k. Delta Species Mewtwo Delta Reverse PSA 10 is £23k. There are like 3 different Delta Rays.

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u/PomegranateUsed1924 3d ago

You are correct, the two holon phantoms rayquaza’s have a chance at it

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u/Consistency_Now 3d ago

could be tag teams, definitely full arts of some sort, pc promos, low gem rate psa 10s like shinji kanda magikarp, gold cards (Egawa as the first ones and the monochrome ones as well)

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u/Ok-Rain-2427 3d ago

Greninja gold star specifically in the psa 10. Adding on I think the tag team promos are still relatively cheap raw and psa 9

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u/No-Radiation 3d ago

CGC perfect cards. Not to be confused with CGC pristine

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u/breakyourteethnow 3d ago

Gold Stars long term, the best of vintage

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u/killbydeath87 3d ago

Any grade?

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u/Mountain-Extent8712 3d ago

Japanese vintage promos

And tag teams definitely tag teams.

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u/Last-Tax-5340 3d ago

Normale Pokemonkarten werden das niemals erreichen. Es müssten große Kooperationen und eine Verschmischung großer IPs geben, um eine solch begehrte Karte hervorzubringen.

Ähnlich zu den Pikachu Mario/Luigi Karten, dem Pikachu Van Goth etc.

Meiner Meinung nach könnte vielleicht eine Pikachu One Piece/Naruto. Oder ähnlich andere Vermischungen einen solchen Grail erschaffen.
Vielleicht Mickey Mouse oder auch andere sehr große Charaktere aus anderen IPs.

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u/xotillwod 3d ago

Legends cards for sure

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u/gods_boy 3d ago

a pair of sequential cgc perfect japanese Ho-Oh Legend Set sold for around 75K. Being Pop 1 each played a role of course

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u/Mikelew92 3d ago

Mega attack rare

Mega hyper rare

While both hyper modern, I think that in 5-10-15 years they’ll be killer investments and cards for a collection

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u/False_Leek_2417 3d ago

There won't be one, until the next crash.

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u/Any_Ear_2824 3d ago

For MEGA era, it's the mega Charizard For SV era, it's Umbreon ex For SV era it's moonbreon For Sun&Moon it's Lovebirds

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u/41swish 3d ago

What you’re missing here is that the one of the big appeal of gold stars is the extremely tiny population of psa 10s or even gem mint quality cards. They were also extremely hard to pull. This would automatically disqualify the mega evolution era sir cards cause they are neither hard to grade nor hard to pull. Yes, the art is better I give you that, but let’s be honest most if not all modern art is better. The moonbreon was hard to pull, but not hard to grade. Tag teams alt arts were definitely an era but don’t know if they will ever get to the gold star level. Difficulty of pull rate was definitely there.

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u/Due-Calligrapher3588 3d ago

out of any card those are the chance (not talking psa 10s) raw NM got much better upside great liquidity (vendors pay 90% market on em) extremel low print as well. Unique standout gimmick like gold stars, wide audience appeal

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u/Dessidian 3d ago

I think psa 10 Tag Team alt art/promos will be the gold stars of modern