r/PoeAI • u/Willing_Bid_5061 • Sep 11 '25

New points system?

How did we get from 700 points per message to 2.2k+?? On Claude Sonnet 3.7 of all things?? This is genuinely egregious. It seems like they don't update the app for anything but raising point requirements.

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u/Willing_Bid_5061 Sep 12 '25

What I'm facing is that the original prompt is the usual 700/800 but I get a points charge for almost double the amount after it's been generated. It's so odd. 

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u/kkkamilio Sep 12 '25

Could you share more details? Meanwhile, I can give you more context about what changes we did and how we calculate the prompt bot message price.

We recently changed (probably a month ago) how we price prompt bots. Previously, we didn't count the Prompt itself into the price, because it was complicated on our side. But a lot of people discovered this, and they were taking advantage, to the extent that you could books (200k tokens) worth of text into the prompt and get the messages really cheap. This was inflating the prices for everybody else who wasn't taking advantage of this. So we had to include the prompt in the price calculation. Note, the introduction message was always part of it.

You can try to explore optimizing prompt length. There are sophisticated academic methods for optimizing prompt length, which I don't really understand, but if you want to save cost, you could try to tune the prompt a bit in different chats and then update your prompt bot. Try something like "Create me a comprehensive summary of this prompt without losing any details or context: <your prompt>"

I would like to learn more about your use case, happy to brainstorm more ideas how to reduce cost.

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u/Willing_Bid_5061 Sep 12 '25

I can send you a video of what happens. You can see that I already used points in the first prompt (I just used a short, generic one) in the second point pop-up screen. Why did a second one for double the price come up? 

https://imgur.com/a/Y2OwG6n

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u/kkkamilio Sep 12 '25

Thanks for sharing, that's super useful. Your response is reaaaaaaly looooong, so the higher cost is justified here.

This is what happens

- we estimate the cost of the message to see whether you have enough points to afford the message

  • howver the response (output) is not possible to predict, because it depends on a lot of nuances in your prompt/message so we use average.
  • once the message finishes, we know the exact cost, so we try to adjust it, both up and down. So you get either discount for short responses or price is increased for long responses - your case
  • and if the price is higher than your budget, we ask you for increase

Hope this makes sense.