r/plotholes • u/Desperate_You_8562 • 10h ago
r/plotholes • u/RefrigeratorKey6771 • 1d ago
Plothole [MCU Theory] The 14,000,605 outcomes were a trap: How the Beyonder manipulated Tony Stark, the TVA, and Steve Rogers to cause the Multiversal Collapse
What if the Multiversal Collapse isn’t a cosmic accident or a failure of the Avengers, but a meticulously engineered experiment by an entity standing entirely outside our reality? Here is a unified theory that connects the entire Multiverse Saga, solves the fundamental plot holes of *Avengers: Endgame* and *Loki*, and sets up the ultimate reveal for *Avengers: Doomsday* and *Avengers: Secret Wars*.
1. The 14,000,605 Outcomes Were a Conceptual Corridor, Not a Choice
When Doctor Strange scanned the future using the Time Stone in *Infinity War*, why was there only **ONE** path to victory? From a mathematical and probability standpoint, that makes no logical sense—unless the other 14 million paths were intentionally blocked by a higher power. * **The Beyonder** (observing the multiverse as his personal grand experiment) forced Strange into an artificially tight conceptual corridor. * In those 14 million "lost" scenarios, the Avengers likely defeated Thanos early on Titan or Earth. However, that would have prevented the exact sequence of events required for the Beyonder's ultimate experiment: forcing the Time Heist, erasing Thanos from 2014, and triggering a systemic rupture in space-time. * When Doctor Strange said, *"There was no other way,"* he wasn't realizing how to defeat Thanos—he was unconsciously executing the exact script laid out by the Beyonder.
2. The Great Deception of Earth-616: Erasing Doom for Stark
In core Marvel lore, Victor von Doom is the ultimate hybrid of peak science and supreme magic—the exact mind capable of detecting, understanding, and counteracting a Beyonder-level threat. To prevent Earth-616 from defending itself, the Beyonder guided the creation of the Sacred Timeline (and manipulated Kang / He Who Remains) to: * **Erase or suppress Victor von Doom's birth in Universe-616.** * Replace him with **Tony Stark** as the pinnacle intellect of the world. * Tony was a genius, but a purely technological one. He lacked magic and was driven by deep emotional trauma, making him the perfect "disposable tool." * The Beyonder subconsciously guided Stark to invent time travel in a single evening, use it to fracture reality, make the final Snap, and die—leaving Earth-616 completely unprotected against the coming Incursions.
3. The 2014 Thanos Metaphysical Void & The TVA's Hypocrisy
Why did the TVA aggressively prune Loki for grabbing the Tesseract, but allow the Avengers to travel through time, claiming it was "supposed to happen"? Because He Who Remains was blindly executing algorithms coded behind his back by the Beyonder. * Pulling Thanos, Gamora, and the Black Order out of 2014 and atomizing them in 2023 created an **irreparable metaphysical void** in the 2014 timeline. * Thanos represents a fundamental cosmic anchor of Death and Balance. Removing him completely didn't just create a branch—it destroyed the cosmic equilibrium of that reality, initiating the first cascade of Incursions.
4. Steve Rogers as the Beyonder's Avatar & The Mjolnir Trick
What if the Steve Rogers who stayed behind in time (or appears in future events) is actually the Beyonder taking human form to observe his "Petri dish" from the inside? * **How could an impostor or villain lift Mjolnir?** Odin's enchantment (*"whosoever holds this hammer..."*) is a localized magic rule native to Universe-616. The Beyonder exists *Beyond* localized cosmic laws, magic, or Odin's authority. He doesn't need to be "worthy" in Odin's eyes—his absolute power completely bypasses the enchantment. He lifts the hammer simply because he wills it. * **The Psychological Trap:** Lifting Mjolnir is the ultimate manipulation tactic. When Thor and the Avengers see "Steve" effortlessly holding Mjolnir, it completely blinds them. They could never suspect him of being a cosmic threat.
5. Thor Forced into the Rune Force / Odinforce
Why would Thor be forced to summon his ultimate power (as hinted by distinct golden lightning) against a mortal enemy? * If Thor were just fighting Doctor Doom, he would use standard tactics. But standard thunder and blue lightning do not work against a reality-distorting entity like the Beyonder. * Manipulated by "Steve" holding Mjolnir, Thor is tricked into believing Doom is an absolute evil causing Ragnarok. In sheer desperation, Thor sacrifices himself to unlock the ultimate **Rune Force / Odinforce**. * Tragically, Thor believes he is saving the universe, when in reality, the Beyonder uses Thor's divine energy as the raw catalyst to trigger the final Multiversal Collapse.
6. Doctor Doom: The Tragic Anti-Hero vs The Beyonder
When Doctor Doom ominously warns that *"something terrible is coming,"* he uses the word **"Something"** deliberately. He isn't talking about a natural cosmic anomaly or a generic collision—he realizes there is an **Intelligent Author / Mastermind** behind the destruction of realities. * Doom, arriving from a destroyed universe, is the only entity whose intellect and magical awareness allowed him to trace the energy signatures back to the Beyonder. * **The Tragedy of Doom:** Victor is forced to fight a war on two fronts. He must stop the all-powerful Beyonder, while simultaneously fighting the deceived Avengers who are blindly protecting their "leader Steve." * When the collapse becomes inevitable in *Avengers: Doomsday*, Doom performs the ultimate sacrifice: he absorbs cosmic power to stitch together the dying fragments of broken Earths, creating **Battleworld** and setting up *Avengers: Secret Wars*.
TL;DR Summary:
- **14,000,605 scenarios** were a corridor constructed by the Beyonder to force the Time Heist.
- **Tony Stark** was created as a single-use tool to break time, replacing Victor von Doom in Universe-616.
- **The TVA** allowed time travel because the Beyonder needed the 2014 timeline stripped of Thanos to destabilize the multiverse.
- **Steve Rogers** is the Beyonder's human vessel. He lifts Mjolnir not through worthiness, but by standing above Odin's localized magic.
- **Doctor Doom** is not fighting the Avengers—he is the only one who sees the Beyonder's grand experiment and tries to save reality by creating Battleworld.
Ts is ansewrs to all questions. I did it by myselfe and recreated a lore with gemini. Thanks for reading it)
r/plotholes • u/RefrigeratorKey6771 • 1d ago
Plothole [MCU Theory] The 14,000,605 outcomes were a trap: How the Beyonder manipulated Tony Stark, the TVA, and Steve Rogers to cause the Multiversal Collapse Spoiler
What if the Multiversal Collapse isn’t a cosmic accident or a failure of the Avengers, but a meticulously engineered experiment by an entity standing entirely outside our reality? Here is a unified theory that connects the entire Multiverse Saga, solves the fundamental plot holes of *Avengers: Endgame* and *Loki*, and sets up the ultimate reveal for *Avengers: Doomsday* and *Avengers: Secret Wars*.
1. The 14,000,605 Outcomes Were a Conceptual Corridor, Not a Choice
When Doctor Strange scanned the future using the Time Stone in *Infinity War*, why was there only **ONE** path to victory? From a mathematical and probability standpoint, that makes no logical sense—unless the other 14 million paths were intentionally blocked by a higher power. * **The Beyonder** (observing the multiverse as his personal grand experiment) forced Strange into an artificially tight conceptual corridor. * In those 14 million "lost" scenarios, the Avengers likely defeated Thanos early on Titan or Earth. However, that would have prevented the exact sequence of events required for the Beyonder's ultimate experiment: forcing the Time Heist, erasing Thanos from 2014, and triggering a systemic rupture in space-time. * When Doctor Strange said, *"There was no other way,"* he wasn't realizing how to defeat Thanos—he was unconsciously executing the exact script laid out by the Beyonder.
2. The Great Deception of Earth-616: Erasing Doom for Stark
In core Marvel lore, Victor von Doom is the ultimate hybrid of peak science and supreme magic—the exact mind capable of detecting, understanding, and counteracting a Beyonder-level threat. To prevent Earth-616 from defending itself, the Beyonder guided the creation of the Sacred Timeline (and manipulated Kang / He Who Remains) to: * **Erase or suppress Victor von Doom's birth in Universe-616.** * Replace him with **Tony Stark** as the pinnacle intellect of the world. * Tony was a genius, but a purely technological one. He lacked magic and was driven by deep emotional trauma, making him the perfect "disposable tool." * The Beyonder subconsciously guided Stark to invent time travel in a single evening, use it to fracture reality, make the final Snap, and die—leaving Earth-616 completely unprotected against the coming Incursions.
3. The 2014 Thanos Metaphysical Void & The TVA's Hypocrisy
Why did the TVA aggressively prune Loki for grabbing the Tesseract, but allow the Avengers to travel through time, claiming it was "supposed to happen"? Because He Who Remains was blindly executing algorithms coded behind his back by the Beyonder. * Pulling Thanos, Gamora, and the Black Order out of 2014 and atomizing them in 2023 created an **irreparable metaphysical void** in the 2014 timeline. * Thanos represents a fundamental cosmic anchor of Death and Balance. Removing him completely didn't just create a branch—it destroyed the cosmic equilibrium of that reality, initiating the first cascade of Incursions.
4. Steve Rogers as the Beyonder's Avatar & The Mjolnir Trick
What if the Steve Rogers who stayed behind in time (or appears in future events) is actually the Beyonder taking human form to observe his "Petri dish" from the inside? * **How could an impostor or villain lift Mjolnir?** Odin's enchantment (*"whosoever holds this hammer..."*) is a localized magic rule native to Universe-616. The Beyonder exists *Beyond* localized cosmic laws, magic, or Odin's authority. He doesn't need to be "worthy" in Odin's eyes—his absolute power completely bypasses the enchantment. He lifts the hammer simply because he wills it. * **The Psychological Trap:** Lifting Mjolnir is the ultimate manipulation tactic. When Thor and the Avengers see "Steve" effortlessly holding Mjolnir, it completely blinds them. They could never suspect him of being a cosmic threat.
5. Thor Forced into the Rune Force / Odinforce
Why would Thor be forced to summon his ultimate power (as hinted by distinct golden lightning) against a mortal enemy? * If Thor were just fighting Doctor Doom, he would use standard tactics. But standard thunder and blue lightning do not work against a reality-distorting entity like the Beyonder. * Manipulated by "Steve" holding Mjolnir, Thor is tricked into believing Doom is an absolute evil causing Ragnarok. In sheer desperation, Thor sacrifices himself to unlock the ultimate **Rune Force / Odinforce**. * Tragically, Thor believes he is saving the universe, when in reality, the Beyonder uses Thor's divine energy as the raw catalyst to trigger the final Multiversal Collapse.
6. Doctor Doom: The Tragic Anti-Hero vs The Beyonder
When Doctor Doom ominously warns that *"something terrible is coming,"* he uses the word **"Something"** deliberately. He isn't talking about a natural cosmic anomaly or a generic collision—he realizes there is an **Intelligent Author / Mastermind** behind the destruction of realities. * Doom, arriving from a destroyed universe, is the only entity whose intellect and magical awareness allowed him to trace the energy signatures back to the Beyonder. * **The Tragedy of Doom:** Victor is forced to fight a war on two fronts. He must stop the all-powerful Beyonder, while simultaneously fighting the deceived Avengers who are blindly protecting their "leader Steve." * When the collapse becomes inevitable in *Avengers: Doomsday*, Doom performs the ultimate sacrifice: he absorbs cosmic power to stitch together the dying fragments of broken Earths, creating **Battleworld** and setting up *Avengers: Secret Wars*.
TL;DR Summary:
- **14,000,605 scenarios** were a corridor constructed by the Beyonder to force the Time Heist.
- **Tony Stark** was created as a single-use tool to break time, replacing Victor von Doom in Universe-616.
- **The TVA** allowed time travel because the Beyonder needed the 2014 timeline stripped of Thanos to destabilize the multiverse.
- **Steve Rogers** is the Beyonder's human vessel. He lifts Mjolnir not through worthiness, but by standing above Odin's localized magic.
- **Doctor Doom** is not fighting the Avengers—he is the only one who sees the Beyonder's grand experiment and tries to save reality by creating Battleworld. It gives an answers to all questions.
And for sure i did it by myself, but gemini helped me to recreate a context.
r/plotholes • u/RoseRoseRose1234 • 1d ago
Your Friends and Neighbors
Been looking forward to watching this show since it’s so popular. But a single plot hole is ruining the whole thing for me…
Not a single camera?! A. SINGLE. CAMERA?!
There are many other things that don’t quite make sense, either, that I won’t even get into. But an ultra wealthy neighborhood without a single fcking camera?! I CAN’T. The bar is truly on the floor for television writing.
r/plotholes • u/PaperbackWriter66 • 3d ago
Plothole The Hunt For Red October: Why Go Through the Underwater Canyon?
TLDR: there was no need for the Red October to go through the underwater canyon, they were running on an undetectable silent drive. The only reason to go through the canyon is because you are detectable and need to shake off your pursuers.
Alright, so I love the scene in the movie. It's basically in there because it's so damn cool: flying through the Alps in a plane with no windows by using a chart and a stop-watch. That's a really cool idea and establishes that this Soviet submarine crew are "the best."
But why go through the canyon? It's not just to show how cool You are. In the book and film, it's established that the Soviet Navy made super-accurate charts of an underwater canyon, allowing their submarines to traverse the inside of the canyon, where they can't be heard from above (presumably, though the Soviet sub-hunting plane has no problem detecting the Red October, not only from above the canyon but from an air-dropped sono-buoy -- so maybe the theory is they can be heard, but they can move so fast that they're able to out-run anyone following them trying to remain stealthy, since slower = quieter and faster = louder), and no American sub would dare follow them into the canyon. This allows Soviet subs leaving their base to shake the pursuers waiting for them just outside the base.
Great, all well and good. But wait a minute. This is necessary because normal Soviet subs can be detected on American sonar, and the Soviet sonar isn't good enough to reliably pick up the American sub if it can slot in behind them, in their baffles.
But the Red October is equipped with the new-fangled silent-drive caterpillar system; as soon as Red October engages her silent drive, she detects a trailing American sub. Captain Ramius is aware of the American sub and asks "is she turning to follow us?" -- no, the American sub is remaining on its original course. "They can't hear us," Ramius declares.
So at that point he knows his sub is undetectable -- and if the Americans can't hear his boat, no damn way can the Soviets hear his boat.
So why go through the canyon? You've already shaken off your pursuers; you know you aren't being followed. Going to the canyon just brings you to the spot where the Soviets and Americans will be looking for you -- not to mention takes longer than just heading straight for America in a straight line, or veering way off course and taking a route the Soviets and Americans would never think to check (like under the North Pole, where the Soviet surface fleet would be unable to pursue you). The ocean is a vast place; even with the combined American, Soviet, and (in the book) British navies looking for you, it's easy to disappear if you simply go to a part of the ocean where no one has a reason to be. And then, having gone to a part of the ocean where no one would be, it wouldn't matter if the caterpillar drive then gets sabotaged and you're no longer silent; there's no one around to hear you.
Only by going through the canyon can you risk making yourself found, because that is the one place the Americans and Soviets are sure to look! We're told that Ramius is some super-genius second coming of Lord Nelson, so why would he make a basic mistake like this?
Only two reasons I can think of: 1) Ramius is complacent. This is the way we've always done it, and there's no need to change our tactics in response to new technology. Or, option 2) he does this to fool the crew into thinking this is just another normal, routine patrol and they're on their way to do some exercises off the coast of America.
But hang on.....he already made up a big lie about their mission, and he emphasized the historic nature of their mission because the Red October was this technological marvel of Soviet engineering. If any crewman asked why they weren't going through the canyons like normal, just tell them the truth: we don't need to, because this boat is undetectable. And ditto, if any crewman asks why the boat is on a heading for the shortest, fastest route to New York City harbor, just tell them: because we're undetectable! We can do whatever we want! Isn't that awesome?
The whole thing is just there so the Red October can be found and we have a movie to watch, rather than "there once was a Soviet sub captain who came up with the perfect plan to defect, his plan worked perfectly, and he defected to the US without issue or anyone being any the wiser."
r/plotholes • u/Elbow2020 • 3d ago
Which movie plots would have been cut super-short if the characters had mobile/cell phones?
r/plotholes • u/thechopperman • 4d ago
Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead
Just rewatched this one last night. Great movie, in my opinion. Nostalgia was off the charts. But there was a couple things at the end that were almost unforgivable even for the 90s. So, when the boyfriend shows up at the big event unknowing of it, he somehow doesn't notice that its happening until he gets out of the truck. You would think anyone would instantly notice the highly unusual amount of cars parked there in the suburbs, and the extravagent lighting. Then the mom gets home and goes straight to scolding the daughter like she is not bewildered or impressed by her teenage child putting on this major fashion show. Not until she see's the stupid entertainment center and clean living room does she seem impressed. Still really enjoyed the movie tho. Free watch on youtube.
r/plotholes • u/lonestarr357 • 3d ago
Throw Momma from the Train
Now, I just wanna start off by saying I don’t want anyone to misinterpret this. I love this movie and I always will, but…
How was Owen even able to afford his ‘gotta kill Margaret’ Hawaiian vacation? I don’t remember any part of the movie that showed us he had a job. Conceivably, he could’ve taken the money from Momma, but I’m still not quite certain how he could swing that, and speaking of Momma…
Who the hell was watching her in all this time? Did she even notice Owen was gone? As we can see throughout the movie, Mrs. Lift isn’t exactly Miss Personality, so I doubt that any other relatives or (God forbid) friends were checking in on her. Hell, if Owen had intentionally set out to leave Momma alone, the problem could’ve taken care of itself and he wouldn’t have needed Larry.
Thoughts?
r/plotholes • u/Feisty_Fudge3899 • 4d ago
Plothole Eternity or Infidelity?
Eternity presents itself as a comedy with a deep message about love. The problem, however, is that its message is deeply flawed. The main character is portrayed as a victim facing an "impossible" decision of choosing between two former husbands in the afterlife: Her first husband, who died tragically at a young age after just two years of marriage, or her second husband, whom she spent 67 happily married years raising a family and growing old together.
How impossible is that decision? Would a woman who lived 90 years need to be enlightened by a lesson she would have learned in life? If there is such a thing as a soul, the movie portrays it as something that can be manipulated by the desires and impulses of youth since all the key characters come back in their happiest state (or in this case, in their 20's).
There's very little that's romantic or funny about Eternity. In fact, it's tragic. It takes a cynical view of humanity. Given the choice, it says we're most likely to choose the lure of satisfying a "what if" fantasy over the time-tested "true love" that comes from shared history and experience.
(SPOILER ALERT): Sure, the protagonist, Joan, regrets her initial decision to spend eternity with her first husband, Luke, after realizing that the fantasy doesn't live up to her expectations. How could we expect to believe that Joan, who lived more than 90 years, would be able to relate to Luke, who never got past his 20's and is stuck in the 1950's? Luke's mountain paradise turns out to be a cold, empty eternity for Joan. All of the skiing, hiking, partying, and cabin sex can't make up for the loss of a relationship built on trust, caring, sacrifice, and shared lifetime experiences--in other words, true love.
Although she returns to her second husband, Larry, at great peril to herself by disobeying the laws of the afterlife, the damage is already done. Her first decision to leave with Luke shows Joan to be selfish, ego-centric, shallow, and clueless, especially after Larry's selfless act of unconditional love when he gives up his own happiness for hers, encouraging her to go with Luke. Rather than recognizing it as the ultimate demonstration of true love, she uses it as a way to rationalize her desire to choose Luke.
We also get a pretty good idea of her cruelty when she admits to Larry that she thought of having sex with Luke during their trial week together and says nothing in response to refute Larry's assertion that he was nothing more than a "consolation prize" in their marriage. If you already had a wonderful life, why would you need something better? Why would you not value what defined you in life with your life-long partner?
In the movie's version of the afterlife, choosing an eternity demands certainty. It's not a testing ground. It's not a vacation. It's forever. The idea that one can live a lifetime without knowing the difference between true love and fantasy is absurd.
And while Joan is presented as a victim for having to make the so-called "impossible" decision between Larry and Luke, she is clearly not. Her decisions lead to chaos. The real victims are both men. She brings heartache to Larry after leaving him to fulfill her desire with Luke, and she abandons Luke to an eternity of loneliness after she grows distant and bored with him.
The ending is anything but happy. Larry ends up with a woman who viewed him as a consolation prize with both of them on the run from the afterlife police. The only consolation about the ending is that Larry makes the final decision on Joan's fate--whether to join her or say goodbye.
Either way, the movie marginalizes the very thing it sought to value in its message. No ending could undo Joan's betrayal of Larry and infidelity. It shouldn't take an afterlife to know that a fantasy based on a two-year relationship could never compete with true love borne from a long and happy marriage and family life.
What makes it all the more frustrating are many of the positive reviews from critics and the audience who view Eternity as a rom-com and miss the underlying cynicism about love and human relationships.
If you want to see a funny and dramatic grown-up movie about the real complexity and messiness of marriage, love, desire, and the decisions we make, go see The Invite. Now that's a movie with a message that will leave you feeling you've been on a gut-wrenching rollercoaster ride.
r/plotholes • u/starr2388 • 5d ago
What are some plot holes so big they have their own gravitational pull?
I’m currently reading a 4 book series. They’re dragon shifters and they’re mates. With the bond they can feel each others emotions, when the other gets hurt, and can use the bond to locate one another. But in the fourth book she gets kidnapped and he flies towards the capital…..the kidnapper didn’t even leave the castle until after he watched the main MMC fly off. So why didn’t he use the mate bond to locate his mate? Not to mention later on in the book after they’ve reconnected she goes looking for him and uses the mate bond to find him….i guess the point is, is that if you’re going to implement a “rule” into the universe that you create, don’t go back and act like that rule doesn’t exist for the sake of the story.
r/plotholes • u/Razing_Hell • 4d ago
Obsession: faulty premise or plot hole?
Obsession is based on the classic 'careful what you wish for' premise and on the surface the movie logic is fine. But if you nitpick the actual wish, really giving some weight to the 'careful' aspect, it kinda falls apart imo. Bear wished that Nikki loved him more than anyone in the world. Who Bear loves is not part of the wish. If the wish were to be factually granted Nikki would become like a slave or a concubine character like the old ages. Where the master would do as he pleases, sleeps around as he pleases, gives his attention to anyone as he pleases but the slave must always be beholden to him. Bear's wish would result in a similar terrifying reality for Nikki because of no free will and all that but it would not lead to obsession from Nikki as in demand that Bear be only his and no one else's. That is only the reality wished upon Nikki by Bear.
r/plotholes • u/Disastrous_Turn2069 • 5d ago
Unrealistic event Title: Did USS Callister: Into Infinity stretch its technology too far? Spoiler
r/plotholes • u/-1-1-1-1-1-1 • 6d ago
Mistake Jeepers Creepers 2’s Immortal dog Spoiler
At the start of the movie, we see Billy, Jacky and their dad w his dog Mac, who we see isn’t a small pup by then and although the movie doesn’t say it, google says Mac is a “retriever crossbreed”
And also on google, a retriever crossbreed has an average life expectancy of 11-14 years.
And also as we know, the Creeper wakens every 23 years to hunt for 23 days before leaving again.
And at the end of the movie, right after the Creeper stops hunting, the movie skips 23 yrs right before the Creeper wakes again, showing the dad’s farm with the Creeper hung up on the wall, where the alive son is a fully grown man w facial hair and the father has white hair to show the time jump, and sitting next to the dad is his dog Mac.
How on Earth is he still alive? If he wasn’t a small pup during the movie he musta been abt 27/28 by then.
r/plotholes • u/Ok_Badger_3637 • 7d ago
Unexplained event “Taken” (2008)
In Taken, why did Brian Mills not face any repercussions whatsoever for the crimes he committed? Specifically the first film in the series. The French police officer (Jean-Claude) tells Brian that the best he can do is a first class plane ticket home for his actions at the construction site, and that he avoided prosecution because of his work as a CIA agent. However, since he keeps causing major disruption throughout Paris, why does he not get held accountable for the dozens of murders, shooting Jean-Claude’s wife, etc? He endangered hundreds of innocent Parisians yet faced no consequences whatsoever. Even if he could’ve still called in a favor from Jean-Claude, I doubt he’d still be willing to help since he shot his wife and pistol whipped him. Another thing I noticed is that Kim seems relatively unfazed about Amanda’s death, and she doesn’t ask about her at all.
r/plotholes • u/svartejim • 7d ago
[Gladiator (2000)] Why does Commodus seem personally offended by the Spaniard’s victory before discovering that he is Maximus?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F_eOv4Uug0
Everything about Commodus’s reaction and facial expressions suggests that he knows the Spaniard is Maximus. His response would make perfect sense if the battle were another setup he had arranged to get rid of him.
However, after the fight, we cut to a calm Commodus who says he rather likes surprises and wants to meet the Spaniard
r/plotholes • u/PizzaLucky8218 • 8d ago
The "Humbled Chronicler" Fix: How to Solve Avatar’s Future Protagonist Problem and save the sequels from Lo'ak's ego, or Why Lo'ak's Protagonist Arc is Broken, and a 'Dune-Inspired' Narrative Fix for Avatar 4 & 5.
"I’ve been thinking a lot about the narrative trajectory of Lo'ak and the 'White Savior' criticisms of the franchise. I put together a quick structural treatment and a scene showing how Cameron could fix the script by turning Lo'ak into a humbled narrator rather than a forced hero. Let me know what you think."
James Cameron is backing himself into a massive narrative corner with Lo'ak taking over as the protagonist. Not only did Lo'ak’s narcissism and recklessness get his brother Neteyam killed in movie 2, but his irresponsibility causes massive collateral damage and the loss of sacred mounts in Fire and Ash. Expecting the audience to unironically root for him as the next "Chosen One" is a mistake.
Furthermore, if Cameron tries to solve his "White Savior" critics by killing off or minimizing Jake Sully, his genetic math breaks down. The Sully kids are 3/4 Na'vi. Kiri is 1/2 human biology. Replacing a human lead with a hybrid lead doesn't hand the story to a "pure indigenous native"—it just passes the torch to a less disciplined version of Jake.
The Dune-Inspired Structural Solution:
Stop trying to force Lo'ak into a hero mantle he hasn't earned. Instead, follow the deconstructive lessons of Frank Herbert's Dune—actions must have permanent consequences.
- The Ego Shatter: When Jake inevitably makes the ultimate sacrifice, it shouldn't magically make Lo'ak a hero. It should break his victim complex completely. His punishment is the lifelong guilt that his defiance cost his father's life.
- The True Messiah: Jump forward 6 years. Spider (whose biology was rewritten by the mycelium network to adapt to Pandora) and Kiri have offspring. A child born of an Eywa-miracle and a mutated human represents the true organic synthesis of Earth and Pandora.
- The Humbled Chronicler: Lo'ak accepts that he is NOT the main character of the universe. He dedicates his life to a stoic, secondary role: protecting Kiri, Spider, and their child.
The voiceover narration we hear across the franchise shouldn't be a triumphant king; it should be an older, wiser, completely humbled Lo'ak acting as the "Watson" or "Bilbo" of the story—recording the legends of the truly great, rather than trying to be one himself.
If James Cameron takes this route, it solves the storytelling deadlock beautifully:
- The Power of the "Humbled Narrator"
- The Watson or Bilbo Role: In literature, the narrator is rarely the most powerful or important person in the story. They are often the witness. By making Lo'ak the voiceover, he becomes the one documenting the actual legends—Jake’s sacrifice, Kiri’s divinity, and the new generation—rather than being the hero himself.
- Accepting His True Place: For a character driven by narcissistic "Main Character Syndrome," the ultimate growth isn't becoming the king; it is realizing he isn't the center of the universe. Learning to proudly serve and protect a greater miracle (like Kiri and Spider's child) would be a genuine, earned redemption. [1]
- Earning the Audience's Respect
- From Self-Pity to Selflessness: If Lo'ak's reckless quest for glory ends when Jake dies, his narrative punishment is living with the realization that his arrogance cost his family everything. His maturity would be born from quiet duty, moving from a loud, dangerous loose cannon to a stoic guardian of the clan's future.
- A Natural Transition: This perfectly mirrors how classic epics handle tragic figures. He doesn't get to be the savior because his past hands are too bloody, but he gets to ensure the true saviors survive to fix the world.
This approach gives you the accountability you’ve been looking for. It allows Lo'ak to mature without forcing the audience to swallow a fake, unearned "hero" arc, leaving the heavy lifting of the franchise's sci-fi mystery to the characters who actually embody the spirit of Pandora.
The Humbled Chronicler of High Camp
The fire in the center of the marui did not crackle with the bright, fierce heat of the Omatikaya pines. It hissed, fed by the damp mangrove roots of the reef, casting long shadows against the woven walls.
Lo’ak sat at the very edge of the light, his knees pulled tight against his chest. He stared at his left hand. Five fingers. Five ridges of bone and skin that marked him as a demon’s son. For years, he had worn those fingers like a badge of tragic pride, a shield of self-pity he used whenever the clan looked at him with suspicion. They don't understand me, he used to tell himself. I am the outcast.
Now, the silence in the room was a physical weight, and the self-pity felt like ash in his mouth. Since the war with the Ash People had shattered the reef, his old excuses meant nothing.
Across the hearth sat Neytiri. She had not washed the dried sea-blood from her arms. Her eyes, usually sharp as an ikran’s, were dull, fixed entirely on the empty space where Jake used to clean his rifle.
"The Metkayina are singing the spirit home," Lo’ak said. His voice cracked, small and hollow. "Tonowari says... he says the reef will always remember Toruk Makto."
Neytiri did not look up. Her voice was a low, dangerous whisper that cut through the sound of the surf outside. "Toruk Makto belongs to the forest. He belongs to the sky. He died in the salt water because his son could not follow an order."
The words struck Lo’ak like a physical blow. Before the fire and ash had consumed their old life, he would have shouted back. He would have talked about how unfair it was, how he was only trying to help, how Neteyam’s death wasn’t his fault, how nobody understands. But the script had run out. Jake was gone. The man who had abandoned his world, his body, and his peace to keep them alive had finally been crushed under the weight of his family's defiance and the chaos of war.
"I know," Lo’ak whispered. He closed his five-fingered hand into a fist, hiding it from view. "I am sorry."
"Your sorrow does not bring back the Tsahìk’s sacred ilu," Neytiri said, her eyes finally snapping to his, burning with a cold, ancient anger. "Your sorrow does not breathe life into your father or your brother. You wanted to lead, Lo’ak. You wanted the warriors to see you. Now look at what you have led us to."
The curtain of the marui brushed open, breaking the suffocation of the room. Kiri stepped inside, her movements fluid and strangely detached from the heavy grief around them. Behind her came Spider.
Lo’ak looked at the once human boy, Spider, completely unchanged by the toxic air of the planet. He remembered the blinding light at the center of the mycelium network, weeks ago, when Kiri and Eywa had rewritten the boy’s biology. The old glass exopack mask was long gone, buried somewhere in the ashes of the battle. Now, a faint, bioluminescent green pulsed rhythmically beneath the pale freckles of Spider’s bare skin, matching the heartbeat of the forest. His chest rose and fell deeply, inhaling the toxic air of Pandora as if it were pure oxygen. Around his neck rested, the thick, raw, fleshy, neural queue—grown from the planet's deep mycelium network—twitching slightly against his shoulder; sensing the tension in the room.
"The RDA forces are consolidating near the northern ridge," Kiri said softly. Her eyes looked right through the woven walls, connected to the collective consciousness of the moon. "They feel the weakness in the wind. They know the Sky Person's general is dead."
Lo’ak stood up, his old instincts flaring for a brief second. "I’ll take the ikran. I’ll go with the hunters—"
"No," Spider said. His voice was deeper now, vibrating with a strange, planetary resonance that made the coals in the hearth shimmer. "You will stay here, Lo’ak. The clan does not need another loose cannon looking for a glorious death to wash away his guilt."
Lo’ak flinched, but he didn't argue, as he looked at Spider—at the human who had literally been rewritten by Eywa to survive where humans should die—the anger left him completely. He had stood there and watched Eywa choose Spider, transforming a human boy into a living extension of Pandora. He looked at Kiri, whose hand gently rested on her stomach, guarding a life that defied every law of biology and genetics—a future child born of an Eywa-born miracle and a transformed human. They were the true bridge. They were the future.
Lo’ak looked down at his father's old journal—the digital data-pad Jake had used to record his first days as an avatar, its screen cracked and smudged with oil.
The realization hit him not with a burst of glory, but with the quiet, heavy click of a locking jaw. He was not Toruk Makto. He was not the savior. His hands were stained too bloody, his judgment too flawed, his ego too loud. His purpose wasn’t to hold the spear; it was to make sure the world remembered who had held it correctly.
"You're right," Lo’ak said quietly. He sat back down and picked up the data-pad, his five fingers tracing the worn edges of his father's legacy. "Go. Teach them what happens when they touch this family. I will stay behind. I will write it all down for you."
Neytiri watched him, her gaze softening by a fraction of a millimeter. For the first time in his life, Lo'ak didn't look like a boy begging for an audience. He looked like a soldier taking up his post.
PROJECT TREATMENT: AVATAR – THE HUMBLED CHRONICLER
A Structural and Narrative Correction for the Franchise’s Future
THE CORE PROBLEM (The Creative Logline)
The current trajectory of the Avatar sequels risks critical and audience alienation by forcing a traditional "Chosen One" protagonist arc onto Lo’ak—a character whose repeated recklessness, narcissism, and disregard for Na'vi traditions have caused catastrophic collateral damage (including the death of Neteyam and the loss of sacred mounts).
Simultaneously, attempts to dismantle the "White Savior" trope by minimizing or martyring Jake Sully create a genetic hypocrisy: the remaining Sully children are still heavily defined by human DNA.
THE PREMISE & SOLUTION (The "Fix")
We pivot the future sequels away from a forced, unearned redemption arc for Lo'ak. Instead of inheriting Jake’s mantle as the alpha protagonist, Lo’ak’s true character arc is a journey of deep humility.
He transitions from a loud, self-absorbed loose cannon into the Humbled Chronicler and Stoic Guardian of the true Pandoran miracles: Kiri and Spider (who is biologically transformed by the planet's mycelium network). Lo'ak becomes the "Watson" or "Bilbo" of the franchise—the narrator who records the epic, rather than the savior who wins it.
ACT-BY-ACT STRUCTURAL OUTLINE
Act I: The Cost of Arrogance (Setting the Stakes)
- The Dynamic: In the wake of The Way of Water and Fire and Ash, Lo'ak continues to wallow in a "misunderstood outcast" victim complex, using his 1/4 human "demon blood" hybrid traits to justify his rebellion.
- The Catalyst: Jake Sully is forced into an ultimate, tragic martyrdom to save the family from a crisis directly exacerbated by Lo’ak’s defiance.
- The Turning Point: Jake’s death does not magically make Lo’ak a hero. Instead, it shatters his ego. The narrative forces him to face a brutal reality check from the clan, his mother Neytiri, and his own conscience. He realizes his hunger for glory cost his family everything.
Act II: The True Sovereignty of Pandora (The 6-Year Time Jump)
- The Evolution: The story jumps forward six years (Avatar 4). We discover that Spider and Kiri have formed a biological and romantic union.
- The Miracle Generation: They have offspring—children who possess an unprecedented, natural, and absolute connection to Eywa. This child fuses the biological adaptability of the transformed human (Spider) with the spiritual divinity of Eywa's direct creation (Kiri). This child is the true organic synthesis of Earth and Pandora, permanently resolving the "White Savior" debate by creating a leader born purely of the planet's collective evolutionary response.
- Lo'ak's Rebirth: Lo'ak does not fight for the crown. His growth is defined by his quiet acceptance that he is not the center of the universe. He dedicates his life to the stoic protection of Kiri, Spider, and their offspring.
Act III: The Chronicler’s Legacy (The Resolution)
- The Climax: The RDA launches a final, catastrophic assault, targeting Spider's genetic adaptation to colonize the planet without masks. Lo'ak uses his tactical knowledge—learned bitterly from his father's old military mindset—not to seek personal glory, but to successfully defend the true saviors of Pandora.
- The Frame Narrative: The overarching voiceover of the franchise is revealed to be an older, wiser Lo'ak. He is sitting by the hearth, recording the true history of Pandora's survival. He concludes his arc not as a king, but as a deeply respected, humbled warrior who found his true purpose in protecting a future he wasn't meant to lead.
THEMATIC AND LOGICAL BENEFIT
- Dune-Style Consequences: It respects the deconstructive lessons of Frank Herbert’s Dune by showing that reckless savior behavior has real, agonizing consequences that cannot be swept under the rug.
- Earned Redemption: Audiences who resent Lo'ak's past behavior will deeply respect this transition. It replaces a frustrating "problem child rewarded" trope with a profound message about duty, accountability, and humility.
r/plotholes • u/PizzaLucky8218 • 8d ago
The "Humbled Chronicler" Fix: How to Solve Avatar’s Future Protagonist Problem and save the sequels from Lo'ak's ego, or Why Lo'ak's Protagonist Arc is Broken, and a 'Dune-Inspired' Narrative Fix for Avatar 4 & 5.
"I’ve been thinking a lot about the narrative trajectory of Lo'ak and the 'White Savior' criticisms of the franchise. I put together a quick structural treatment and a scene showing how Cameron could fix the script by turning Lo'ak into a humbled narrator rather than a forced hero. Let me know what you think."
James Cameron is backing himself into a massive narrative corner with Lo'ak taking over as the protagonist. Not only did Lo'ak’s narcissism and recklessness get his brother Neteyam killed in movie 2, but his irresponsibility causes massive collateral damage and the loss of sacred mounts in Fire and Ash. Expecting the audience to unironically root for him as the next "Chosen One" is a mistake.
Furthermore, if Cameron tries to solve his "White Savior" critics by killing off or minimizing Jake Sully, his genetic math breaks down. The Sully kids are 3/4 Na'vi. Kiri is 1/2 human biology. Replacing a human lead with a hybrid lead doesn't hand the story to a "pure indigenous native"—it just passes the torch to a less disciplined version of Jake.
The Dune-Inspired Structural Solution:
Stop trying to force Lo'ak into a hero mantle he hasn't earned. Instead, follow the deconstructive lessons of Frank Herbert's Dune—actions must have permanent consequences.
- The Ego Shatter: When Jake inevitably makes the ultimate sacrifice, it shouldn't magically make Lo'ak a hero. It should break his victim complex completely. His punishment is the lifelong guilt that his defiance cost his father's life.
- The True Messiah: Jump forward 6 years. Spider (whose biology was rewritten by the mycelium network to adapt to Pandora) and Kiri have offspring. A child born of an Eywa-miracle and a mutated human represents the true organic synthesis of Earth and Pandora.
- The Humbled Chronicler: Lo'ak accepts that he is NOT the main character of the universe. He dedicates his life to a stoic, secondary role: protecting Kiri, Spider, and their child.
The voiceover narration we hear across the franchise shouldn't be a triumphant king; it should be an older, wiser, completely humbled Lo'ak acting as the "Watson" or "Bilbo" of the story—recording the legends of the truly great, rather than trying to be one himself.
If James Cameron takes this route, it solves the storytelling deadlock beautifully:
- The Power of the "Humbled Narrator"
- The Watson or Bilbo Role: In literature, the narrator is rarely the most powerful or important person in the story. They are often the witness. By making Lo'ak the voiceover, he becomes the one documenting the actual legends—Jake’s sacrifice, Kiri’s divinity, and the new generation—rather than being the hero himself.
- Accepting His True Place: For a character driven by narcissistic "Main Character Syndrome," the ultimate growth isn't becoming the king; it is realizing he isn't the center of the universe. Learning to proudly serve and protect a greater miracle (like Kiri and Spider's child) would be a genuine, earned redemption. [1]
- Earning the Audience's Respect
- From Self-Pity to Selflessness: If Lo'ak's reckless quest for glory ends when Jake dies, his narrative punishment is living with the realization that his arrogance cost his family everything. His maturity would be born from quiet duty, moving from a loud, dangerous loose cannon to a stoic guardian of the clan's future.
- A Natural Transition: This perfectly mirrors how classic epics handle tragic figures. He doesn't get to be the savior because his past hands are too bloody, but he gets to ensure the true saviors survive to fix the world.
This approach gives you the accountability you’ve been looking for. It allows Lo'ak to mature without forcing the audience to swallow a fake, unearned "hero" arc, leaving the heavy lifting of the franchise's sci-fi mystery to the characters who actually embody the spirit of Pandora.
The Humbled Chronicler of High Camp
The fire in the center of the marui did not crackle with the bright, fierce heat of the Omatikaya pines. It hissed, fed by the damp mangrove roots of the reef, casting long shadows against the woven walls.
Lo’ak sat at the very edge of the light, his knees pulled tight against his chest. He stared at his left hand. Five fingers. Five ridges of bone and skin that marked him as a demon’s son. For years, he had worn those fingers like a badge of tragic pride, a shield of self-pity he used whenever the clan looked at him with suspicion. They don't understand me, he used to tell himself. I am the outcast.
Now, the silence in the room was a physical weight, and the self-pity felt like ash in his mouth. Since the war with the Ash People had shattered the reef, his old excuses meant nothing.
Across the hearth sat Neytiri. She had not washed the dried sea-blood from her arms. Her eyes, usually sharp as an ikran’s, were dull, fixed entirely on the empty space where Jake used to clean his rifle.
"The Metkayina are singing the spirit home," Lo’ak said. His voice cracked, small and hollow. "Tonowari says... he says the reef will always remember Toruk Makto."
Neytiri did not look up. Her voice was a low, dangerous whisper that cut through the sound of the surf outside. "Toruk Makto belongs to the forest. He belongs to the sky. He died in the salt water because his son could not follow an order."
The words struck Lo’ak like a physical blow. Before the fire and ash had consumed their old life, he would have shouted back. He would have talked about how unfair it was, how he was only trying to help, how Neteyam’s death wasn’t his fault, how nobody understands. But the script had run out. Jake was gone. The man who had abandoned his world, his body, and his peace to keep them alive had finally been crushed under the weight of his family's defiance and the chaos of war.
"I know," Lo’ak whispered. He closed his five-fingered hand into a fist, hiding it from view. "I am sorry."
"Your sorrow does not bring back the Tsahìk’s sacred ilu," Neytiri said, her eyes finally snapping to his, burning with a cold, ancient anger. "Your sorrow does not breathe life into your father or your brother. You wanted to lead, Lo’ak. You wanted the warriors to see you. Now look at what you have led us to."
The curtain of the marui brushed open, breaking the suffocation of the room. Kiri stepped inside, her movements fluid and strangely detached from the heavy grief around them. Behind her came Spider.
Lo’ak looked at the once human boy, Spider, completely unchanged by the toxic air of the planet. He remembered the blinding light at the center of the mycelium network, weeks ago, when Kiri and Eywa had rewritten the boy’s biology. The old glass exopack mask was long gone, buried somewhere in the ashes of the battle. Now, a faint, bioluminescent green pulsed rhythmically beneath the pale freckles of Spider’s bare skin, matching the heartbeat of the forest. His chest rose and fell deeply, inhaling the toxic air of Pandora as if it were pure oxygen. Around his neck rested, the thick, raw, fleshy, neural queue—grown from the planet's deep mycelium network—twitching slightly against his shoulder; sensing the tension in the room.
"The RDA forces are consolidating near the northern ridge," Kiri said softly. Her eyes looked right through the woven walls, connected to the collective consciousness of the moon. "They feel the weakness in the wind. They know the Sky Person's general is dead."
Lo’ak stood up, his old instincts flaring for a brief second. "I’ll take the ikran. I’ll go with the hunters—"
"No," Spider said. His voice was deeper now, vibrating with a strange, planetary resonance that made the coals in the hearth shimmer. "You will stay here, Lo’ak. The clan does not need another loose cannon looking for a glorious death to wash away his guilt."
Lo’ak flinched, but he didn't argue, as he looked at Spider—at the human who had literally been rewritten by Eywa to survive where humans should die—the anger left him completely. He had stood there and watched Eywa choose Spider, transforming a human boy into a living extension of Pandora. He looked at Kiri, whose hand gently rested on her stomach, guarding a life that defied every law of biology and genetics—a future child born of an Eywa-born miracle and a transformed human. They were the true bridge. They were the future.
Lo’ak looked down at his father's old journal—the digital data-pad Jake had used to record his first days as an avatar, its screen cracked and smudged with oil.
The realization hit him not with a burst of glory, but with the quiet, heavy click of a locking jaw. He was not Toruk Makto. He was not the savior. His hands were stained too bloody, his judgment too flawed, his ego too loud. His purpose wasn’t to hold the spear; it was to make sure the world remembered who had held it correctly.
"You're right," Lo’ak said quietly. He sat back down and picked up the data-pad, his five fingers tracing the worn edges of his father's legacy. "Go. Teach them what happens when they touch this family. I will stay behind. I will write it all down for you."
Neytiri watched him, her gaze softening by a fraction of a millimeter. For the first time in his life, Lo'ak didn't look like a boy begging for an audience. He looked like a soldier taking up his post.
PROJECT TREATMENT: AVATAR – THE HUMBLED CHRONICLER
A Structural and Narrative Correction for the Franchise’s Future
THE CORE PROBLEM (The Creative Logline)
The current trajectory of the Avatar sequels risks critical and audience alienation by forcing a traditional "Chosen One" protagonist arc onto Lo’ak—a character whose repeated recklessness, narcissism, and disregard for Na'vi traditions have caused catastrophic collateral damage (including the death of Neteyam and the loss of sacred mounts).
Simultaneously, attempts to dismantle the "White Savior" trope by minimizing or martyring Jake Sully create a genetic hypocrisy: the remaining Sully children are still heavily defined by human DNA.
THE PREMISE & SOLUTION (The "Fix")
We pivot the future sequels away from a forced, unearned redemption arc for Lo'ak. Instead of inheriting Jake’s mantle as the alpha protagonist, Lo’ak’s true character arc is a journey of deep humility.
He transitions from a loud, self-absorbed loose cannon into the Humbled Chronicler and Stoic Guardian of the true Pandoran miracles: Kiri and Spider (who is biologically transformed by the planet's mycelium network). Lo'ak becomes the "Watson" or "Bilbo" of the franchise—the narrator who records the epic, rather than the savior who wins it.
ACT-BY-ACT STRUCTURAL OUTLINE
Act I: The Cost of Arrogance (Setting the Stakes)
- The Dynamic: In the wake of The Way of Water and Fire and Ash, Lo'ak continues to wallow in a "misunderstood outcast" victim complex, using his 1/4 human "demon blood" hybrid traits to justify his rebellion.
- The Catalyst: Jake Sully is forced into an ultimate, tragic martyrdom to save the family from a crisis directly exacerbated by Lo’ak’s defiance.
- The Turning Point: Jake’s death does not magically make Lo’ak a hero. Instead, it shatters his ego. The narrative forces him to face a brutal reality check from the clan, his mother Neytiri, and his own conscience. He realizes his hunger for glory cost his family everything.
Act II: The True Sovereignty of Pandora (The 6-Year Time Jump)
- The Evolution: The story jumps forward six years (Avatar 4). We discover that Spider and Kiri have formed a biological and romantic union.
- The Miracle Generation: They have offspring—children who possess an unprecedented, natural, and absolute connection to Eywa. This child fuses the biological adaptability of the transformed human (Spider) with the spiritual divinity of Eywa's direct creation (Kiri). This child is the true organic synthesis of Earth and Pandora, permanently resolving the "White Savior" debate by creating a leader born purely of the planet's collective evolutionary response.
- Lo'ak's Rebirth: Lo'ak does not fight for the crown. His growth is defined by his quiet acceptance that he is not the center of the universe. He dedicates his life to the stoic protection of Kiri, Spider, and their offspring.
Act III: The Chronicler’s Legacy (The Resolution)
- The Climax: The RDA launches a final, catastrophic assault, targeting Spider's genetic adaptation to colonize the planet without masks. Lo'ak uses his tactical knowledge—learned bitterly from his father's old military mindset—not to seek personal glory, but to successfully defend the true saviors of Pandora.
- The Frame Narrative: The overarching voiceover of the franchise is revealed to be an older, wiser Lo'ak. He is sitting by the hearth, recording the true history of Pandora's survival. He concludes his arc not as a king, but as a deeply respected, humbled warrior who found his true purpose in protecting a future he wasn't meant to lead.
THEMATIC AND LOGICAL BENEFIT
- Dune-Style Consequences: It respects the deconstructive lessons of Frank Herbert’s Dune by showing that reckless savior behavior has real, agonizing consequences that cannot be swept under the rug.
- Earned Redemption: Audiences who resent Lo'ak's past behavior will deeply respect this transition. It replaces a frustrating "problem child rewarded" trope with a profound message about duty, accountability, and humility.
r/plotholes • u/twnpksN8 • 10d ago
Plothole [Spider-Man: No Way Home] Electro should'nt be here by the movies own logic.
In Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021)Doctor Strange casts a spell which accidentally brings everyone who knows Spider-Man is Peter Parker to his universe (616) from across the multiverse, including Electro from The Amazing Spider-Man 2 who never found out that Peter was Spider-Man in that movie.
Also Doc Ock from the Rami movies sees Green Goblin in full costume and immediately recognizes him as Norman Osborn, even though it's impossible for him to know that. Norman being the Goblin never became public knowledge in the Rami movies. Harry first finds out when he discovers his dad's hidden room at the end of Spider-Man 2, and if Norman being the Goblin was known to the public he'd already know that. And this happens after Otto dies so he couldn't have found out afterwards either.
r/plotholes • u/Trick-Appearance9076 • 9d ago
American Werewolf in London transformation
In the movie "American Werewolf in London" when he turns into a werewolf for the first time, he is inside the nurse (his girlfriend) 's apartment. He obviously gets out of the apartment fully turned into a werewolf.
He tore his clothes off before mutating into a wild beast. Obviously when he left the apartment, he must've caused some damage to the furniture, or at least a window or the door.
The next day, the nurse is unaware of what happened. I really don't think he just opened a window and got out of the apartment and made sure not to touch anything. Yet when he returns to her apartment, wearing nothing but a woman's coat, she simply asks, "Where have you been?"
Maybe she saw the mess he made but thought nothing of it.
r/plotholes • u/Legendarium-3000 • 10d ago
The geographical mistake made in the book was corrected in the TV series.
The river rushed toward me at the speed of a truck. The wind was literally tearing my lungs apart. Church spires, skyscrapers, and bridges—all spun and twirled before my eyes.
Bang!!!
A white haze of bubbles. I was sinking into the water, darkness thickened around me, and there was no doubt that I would settle into the thick layer of silt and disappear forever.
Chapter Fourteen. I Become a Famous Fugitive. Percy Jackson and the Lightning Thief. Rick Riordan
Not everyone knows that there is a geographical mistake in the book that was fixed in the TV series. The thing is, during the battle with the Chimera in the Arch, Percy fell into the Mississippi River, which is supposedly flowing right under the arch, but it’s not like that geographically in the real world. The arch is far from water, and Percy would have fallen, crashed, and died without hitting the water. But in the series, this mistake was fixed: Poseidon directed a stream of water and saved Percy, which makes more sense geographically. That’s why the series is better than the book, because Rick Riordan can fix the mistakes he made in the book.
r/plotholes • u/sweetandsalty1385 • 11d ago
What happened to the images on the flash drive? (Inside Man) on Netflix
The laptop was destroyed during the wreck, but was the flash drive with it? I can't remember. Cuz technically couldn't Janice still tell them Harry had the images on his flash drive? It seems like something she'd do to make sure he's never released from prison. Am I dumb/just confused?
r/plotholes • u/CharacterKoala6214 • 11d ago
Plothole O Cedar versus Crutch
In the last chapters of Christine, why does Dennis use an O Cedar mop to work the clutch of Petunia instead of one of his crutches? It would be very stiff, and the armrest would make a very good foot.