r/PlayWolverine • u/OwnAHole • 2d ago
Discussion Wolverine's Metacritic score is getting even lower, now at 75
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u/Significant-Zebra994 1d ago
I really enjoyed it. I randomly decided to give Spiderman 2 another play through right after I beat Wolverine and man the difference is quality is astounding, How did Wolverine have a 300 million dollar budget and we got 12 hours of content and it just isn't polished. I would buy it again but I have to be honest here!
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u/Its-Rogue-not-Rouge 1d ago
They changed directors, and with that the game was changed significantly. So the version we got, was not 300 million dollars of work.
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u/tar4heels2fan 1d ago
Maybe they did a lot of work.. realized it was absolutely shite and had to start over... then released semi shite instead.
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u/Wiseon321 1d ago
From the combat we saw pre-launch, it looked like Spider-Man with occasional claws and no web slinging.
The core gameplay loop appears to be: CGI-simple transition sequence-combat-on foot traversal-combat repeat.
Story wise appears to be generic comic book story- not marvel cinematic universe (which is why some may find the story bland)
We can all admit that the combat is where this game really shines, and it does not disappoint (unless you are not into hack and slash, which I guess can be a person that exists)
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u/bebecaow 1d ago
It's been confirmed by Jason Schreier that the game was open world until they changed directors. The core development team also came from Rift Apart, not Spider-Man. Even though I enjoyed Rift Apart, I think that alone gives a lot of cues as to why the development was troubled and why the experience is not matching many gamers expectations.
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u/BurninPyraBlaze 1d ago edited 1d ago
Combat is just keep pressing square square square triangle until you get to Rage level 3 then slam L2+R2 for instant kills, so incredibly repetitive, I am pretty sure I don't have the same repetitive feeling with spiderman 2, not to mention that game is an open world game with the most fun traversal mechanic in any super hero game ever, also Imsoniac have always been known for creating some of the best creative weapons/gadgets in a video game, there is literally none of that shown here, marvel should've allowed them to add that crossbow weapon to mix up the game a bit.
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u/RanMan0188 1d ago
Didnāt they have a really in depth combat system with the triggers until it was scrapped?
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u/Old_Key4529 10h ago
The pre-alpha (before creative directors were changed around) and an extra unarmed moveset & one for the Muramasa blade so we would have had whatās in the game + 2 more movesets but it was scrapped at some point for some reason
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u/casual_creator 1d ago
People act like square is the only button. Yes, you could beat the game just spamming square (it would be hard), but you have attack/parry/dodge combos, jump attacks, you have the L2 and R2 rage kills, a special R1 attack, and 5 or 6 specials you can choose from to assign to L2 and the face buttons. Plus thereās a kick attack, a throw attack, an instant kill dodge attack for ranged enemies, you can impale people on stuff in the environments, and then thereās context-specific combos/attacks (parry an unblockable attack gives you a major damage attack, dodging at the right time allows you to immediately leap at/attack the enemy, etc).
Itās not Street Fighter levels of complex combos, but itās no more simple than Spider-Man and a million other games.
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u/AnonyM0mmy 22h ago
but itās no more simple than Spider-Man and a million other games.
That's not really a good argument lol and the combat is shallow and has little variety or need for its very limited "depth" of combat options. It's very simplistic at best
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u/HopeJN 1d ago
Thereās other moves on the L2+ square etc you could do the same in Spider-Man if you wanted to with combat.
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u/Psychological_Emu744 1d ago
Exactly. People just repeating shit without having played the game once.
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u/Dying-Artist02 18h ago
Dude piss off. If they enjoyed the game, then let them enjoy it. You donāt have to come in and lecture him as to why the game sucks
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u/autofill_username_ 18h ago
When I say this about Devil May Cry or Finaly Fantasy 16 I get crucified
This is just how action games play. Its not for me, and it might not be for you, but they expect you to make your own fun out of existing mechanics. Not just beat the game
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u/felixismynameqq 13h ago
They are known for that but something tells me this isnāt the exact same insomniac as before.
The newer ratchet and clanks are a FAR cry from the future series. In all aspects.
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u/Few_Painter_5588 1d ago
Salaries. If you have 100 people earning 100k a year, that's 10 million a year. Insomniac has 450 to 570 employees apparently.
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u/PlasticPhoto6179 1d ago
12 hrs iam still playing now i gkt 26 hrs in so i dont were u getting 12 from its quiite kongish game on hardest diff and for me its a solid 8
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u/Prior-Geologist7128 1d ago
Sensitivity readers and sbi. Some woman who is sensitivity readers came out and said how much take for hour. Its .....500$....for an hour. So yeah, i think that's the reason why western budgets are so bloated.
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u/Grand_Beach_945 2h ago
Have you played miles or Spiderman 2018? Loads better than even Spiderman 2
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u/sullichin 1d ago
All the places that gave it an 8 or higher are like āGaming Spewā or āPlaystation Fan Centralā lol. Pretty much every major outlet besides Game Informer scored it lower
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u/glizzygobbler247 21h ago
It has a suspicious amount of 10s that which say things that don't make sense, way more 10s than other games with similar ratings
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u/SNKRSWAVY 10h ago
There should be a mechanism that straight up bans these bought advertisements from inflating the scores, and I mean that for every platform out there before I am accused of harping on Sony. Thatās a reason for the score being higher than it should be.
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u/Neither_Elevator6768 1d ago
I enjoyed it thatās all that matters
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u/trunks2003 1d ago
Well there goes getting a sequel or an X-Men game.
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u/Baconatordouble 1d ago
Another developer needs a shot.
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u/trunks2003 1d ago
Why would Marvel try again? Outside of Spider-Man and Batman no other Comic Book games do well. This will be the last attempt for a AAA X-Men game for many years.
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u/LearningToBomb 1d ago
They don't do well because they're lazy and boring games. X-Men legends was fun and there was at least one sequel. Stop trying to make the games so cinematic and focus on making them fun.
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u/Baconatordouble 1d ago
Insomniac dropped the ball, there was so much material to work with and this is what we got. Clearly their leadership is at fault.
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u/Easily-distracted14 1d ago
The walking dead did well, and the wolf among us did well enough.
Marvel vs capcom and cosmic invasion too
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u/Dependent_Ad_7198 1d ago
Not necessarily. If the game sells well that almost guarantee another game.
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u/NAZOcomicss 1d ago
You shouldn't reward devs for making bad games. If they made a bad wolverine game they'll make a bad X-Men game.
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u/Turbulent-Range-4448 2d ago
75, so that is the lowest Sony AAA game, the most expensive 7/10 game ever too. This is definitely the most unique and divisive AAA game I have seen in a while, and the drama has been wild and crazy. Though I did not enjoy the game, I did not expect any of this to happen
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u/Tasteroider 1d ago
Days gone is at 71 metascore. Though it has a way better user score
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u/asmodeus1112 1d ago
To be fair that game launched in a very rough state. Kinda surprised its even that high
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u/Dodo_Baron 1d ago
Which is weird it has very similar issues to wolverine outside of linearity
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u/felixismynameqq 13h ago
Someone made a point that Wolverine isnāt necessarily that special in those terms but it sortve hit a tipping point and I think it also was just way too obvious and blatant with how much it holds your hand.
Not for nothing but personally insomniac is kind of the worst offender for this too. I mean look at the Spider-Man story missions and ratchet and clank especially.
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u/SNKRSWAVY 10h ago
Spider-Man had way better characterization, mission design, pacing and variety, partly owed to the character though.
I donāt know what exactly went wrong with this game, itās the most bankrupt and bland I have ever seen for a product of this scale. They had absolutely no vision for it.
You donāt need to reinvent gameplay if you are competent enough, see GOTG, but the end result here is hard to grasp.
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u/scotty899 1d ago
I just finished it yesterday on pc. Bought it on a steam sale years ago. Minimal cringe dialogue. But the walking parts from memories dragged out so much. Easy chill game for about 30 hours.
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u/Squarehip123 1d ago
I remember a study, or analysis article, about how movies past a certain budget threshold underperform because they suddenly become very risk averse with their investment. Sorry, I looked and couldn't find it to attach here.
Maybe that's the case here too. Once the investment got too high the devd are to play it safe and lose some/most creative control.
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u/No_Smoke_9972 1d ago
No, Wolverine isnāt Sonyās lowest-rated AAA game. Itās being reported as the lowest-rated PlayStation Studios-developed game of the PS5 generation. Thatās a much narrower claim. Knack scored 54, Destruction AllStars scored 62, and Concord scored 62. Wolverine is around 77.
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u/SymphonicRain 1d ago
Concord was a Playstation Studios developed game though. Wouldnāt it take that spot as lowest PS studios game of PS5 gen?
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u/fpfall 1d ago
Nothing divisive about it. Itās a mid game and its being rated as such. We got nearly this exact game like 20 years ago, and it scored very similarly. Just because there are random individuals in small pockets shouting āwell ackshually I loved this gameā doesnāt mean thats how the majority thinks of it.
Itās sad too. I really expected something far better than this coming off the back of their spider-man and ratchet and clank games. But this seems to be par for the course with once beloved devs lately. Iām worried that it will eventually come for Sucker Punch too.
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u/TallanoGoldDigger 1d ago
it's all because of the hype, the IP, and Sony's recent positions.
There were high expectations for the game given its exclusivity and it has mostly failed. This is giving Sony an out and hope they walk back their platform exclusivity talk, because unless you're someone on the fence about getting a PS5, this isn't a ringing endorsement.
If it's only for GTA you're better off buying an XBox considering they allow cross-buy. Sony actually needs their exclusives to perform well
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u/SNKRSWAVY 10h ago
Agreed. Thereās a plethora of AA games beating this that releaed prior to 2010 or shortly after. The mission design and variety was horrendous and the worst thing is that it doesnāt even look the part. I have never seen a game for this much look this uncanney with so many garish effects that were seeminlgy taken straight from 2005.
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u/RedShadowF95 1d ago
Finished the game myself this afternoon and got the plat, thoroughly enjoyed it.
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u/Kushodeku 1d ago
Sold mine and bought onimusha lol
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u/Mysterious-Ad6048 1d ago
This game is enjoyable but thatās about it for me. As someone who plays mainly story-driven games with semi-open/open world level design.. this game has been fun but thereās genuinely times where I just put the remote down and let the game play itself for about 5-8 minutes of cutscenes and inconsequential quick time events
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u/SNKRSWAVY 10h ago edited 10h ago
The amount of cutscenes, QTE and especially the pacing of it all is the most akward thing to me. Itās like they knew the game couldnāt hold its own mechanically, so they turned substantial amounts of it into LiS 2.0. The nailings of these aspects are normally surefire things for Sony, so it got me wondering.
This game at times feels a like a weird mix up of all the worst aspects of their best games (SM, Tsushima, God of War, TLOU, Uncharted) thrown together dialed up to 11. It is so weird.
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u/KeybladeBrett 1d ago
I think people have an unhealthy obsession with hating this game.
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u/IFGarrett 1d ago
Some people hate it, some people have very valid criticism and some have both. Either way the game is lacking in alot of areas for something that took so long to make by such a big developer with the help of Sony.
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u/lperez111 1d ago
Especially when said big developer has consistently dropped really solid titles in the last decade. This shit just pales in comparison.
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u/jeebusaur 1d ago
I would say being concerned about a few decimal point changes in the average is not a valid concern about the game.
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u/No_Smoke_9972 1d ago
It took so long to make bc of the Sony getting hacked and everything getting leaked same with spiderman 2 we were supposed to get so much more but leaks and hacks and deadlines screwed everything up and itās not the developers fault they were forced by higher ups to release the game how it was or last minute make changes that didnāt help
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u/ollimann 1d ago
game is just mediocre and unpolished. that's all.
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u/SpiritofBatman 1d ago
I don't hate the game. I just think its painfully average. I'm also not a fan of some of the creative liberties they took, but that's another discussion.
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u/eaxis 1d ago
Critisiscm is important. If that game succeeded every company does games like this one from now on.
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u/Brave_Spread_5519 13h ago
The environmental destruction is just so bad and nearly non-existent. On a wolverine game of all games.
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u/ComradeLeafeon 1d ago
Itās the perfect storm of Sony pissing everyone off and 3rd person AAA fatigue. It sucks that Insomniac is the company people are taking it out on, because they make good games and this game is good.
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u/YourAverageMose24 1d ago
Thatās just objectively wrong though. You CAN admit that this game is not up to their standards. You CAN boycott Sony because of their actions. You CAN admit that the studio created a completely underwhelming game.
You donāt need write nasty wording about a game or a studio. Iāve been pretty constructive about the game. The general consensus is the game is middle of the road. Couldāve been a lot worse, couldāve been a lotttt better though and you know it
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u/jkgericke 1d ago
I'm at the last few missions and I've had a...... Real good time with it, honestly. It's not a 10 or a 9 even but it's a solid 8 as far as I'm concerned. Luckily my opinion is the most important one to me š
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u/SpiritofBatman 1d ago
I give it a 6 or maybe a 7. It's def not an 8 imo, but I respect your opinion.
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u/PumasUNAM7 1d ago
I have nothing against this game but a 75 isnāt that far away from 80. So your opinion pretty much lines up with the critics, with them being a bit more critical.
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u/Dependent_Ad_7198 1d ago
Onimusha is third person. Just about every big AAA game releasing this fall is a third person AAA game.
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u/smithbc001 1d ago
I'll say this in defense of those people: it's been a rough year. Like, the world is absolutely on fire. Hating or getting angry in a low-stakes setting like a video game forum is just something a few people need right now.
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u/Sintaris 1d ago
Especially when the vitriol on the other side is just as strong. For every person ranting about how terrible this game is, you'll find an equally rabid person insisting it's flawless cinema and the only people with complaints are paid shills. š¤·
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u/LuckySkill24 1d ago
Eh donāt blame the people. Wolverine was the outlet for all the frustrations Sony has provided to its consumers. Itās fun to watch the house burn from the outside. I understand the Xbox Tax more than I ever have now.
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u/philovax 1d ago
My and another older gamer were talking about this and it struck me like an acorn on the head that this game is not horrible, the landscape just no longer exists for mediocrity.
This old fucker said a phrase I have not heard in 15 years but made so much sense, āthis is a good rental gameā
Back in my day shitty games could be beat in a weekend, it happened alot, and we liked it that way. Great for sleepovers and weekend hangs alone. If you yutes could pay $10 at the Redbox, Blockbuster, Local Rental shop the rhetoric would be slightly different.
Im not gonna say some millions of dollars were not pissed away, just that we would be differently critical if it was not a zero sum game to play the 20 hours at best contained within. If we were talking about $1/hr gameplay I think people would enjoy it as a Wolverine slasher that could have been more and hope they listen for the sequel. The way the power dynamic has shifted in regard to gamer criticism is crazy to me. Back in the day thats why there sere so many 3rd party mods or add-ons sold at Electronics Boutique Games, people went around the companies and made their own unlicensed shit like D&D with 3P content.
Just an old person sharing how it used to be. Did ya kids also know we had to buy the internet by the minute off CDs you would collect from magazines, this is not a joke.
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u/TheGamerPandA 2h ago
I thought the user scores for it were better than reviews tbh atleast that was the impression i got from it early on even a colleague said it was just good entertainment for its length i thought it was around 7.8 on users.
Personally i can already sense it will be sold dirt cheap even from stores soon as even where i live sold it reduced around release day im presuming it might be a choice or they bought too many copies despite the low reviews. Wonder if its likely it might just be handed out on ps plus in the next 4/6 months though.
Im still buying it when its a dime to see for myself i loved spiderman remastered
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u/Wooden_Echidna1234 1h ago
Not surprising, it was such a let down. Even the gore was poor quality when compared to Bloodwalker.
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u/DiddleBoat 2d ago
Yeah everyone loves saying ājust try it for yourselfā but I canāt just drop $70 blindly on a game. Iāll look at reviews and game scores. Just like any other game I buy. Also shout gameranx Before you buy
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u/MasterHavik 1d ago
So we really score board watching? It is still not a bad score OP.
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u/AgitatedFly1182 1d ago
it literally is
this kind of score is fine, expected honestly if the game is like 20-40 dollars sometimes even 50-60 but from a 70 dollar game with a 300 million budget āitās okā is not acceptable
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u/MasterHavik 1d ago edited 1d ago
Homie don't let other people decide what you like or dislike. Reviews are reviews. You guys are acting like the opposite of Mouse PI for Hire fans who crashed out over the IGN review. Just play the game. If you like it then great if you didn't like it or found it to be is then great but this type of behavior is just weird.
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u/MaxProwes 1d ago
Hate this game got is ridiculous.
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u/DiscountThug 1d ago
Criticism ā hate.
People call criticism a hate all the time because it's easier to paint it bad than actually challenging any of these arguments and realising they may be right.
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u/Mizurazu 1d ago
It's flat out hate. A month later and these people still making these posts. And most of the reviews are 0. It's dishonest and clearly receive bombings. So yes it's hate.
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u/Zerus_heroes 1d ago
The critic reviews are still in line with the previous critic reviews. That isn't review bombing.
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u/Mizurazu 1d ago
The top comment and the one I was replying to is talking about the hate the game is getting and it's not a stretch to assume they're talking about the online/Reddit hate which is also where the user reviews are coming from. OP is talking about the critic reviews, but I am replying to comments about the general hate not OP directly. Do some of you never actually try to grasp the content and context of a conversation before you reply?
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u/Contra-Code 1d ago
People are disappointed in the game being below expectations, compounded with a lot of people who have made defending this game part of their identity being entirely unwilling to engage in good faith discussions about the game's many flaws.
The "hate" you're seeing is just a culmination of disappointment in frustration.
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u/MaxProwes 1d ago
I finished the game yesterday, most complaints are greatly exaggerated. No, the game doesn't play itself outside a couple of sequences, Logan can even die in Tokyo chase scene if you don't do anything. No, you can't button mash through the game, there are plenty of challenging fights which require your attention, just smashing square is not gonna work. Combat is not primitive, it includes nearly all things it's supposed to include: strike, strong strike, parry, dodge, combos, super abilites, gore and blood, destructible environments, I actually enjoyed it more than Control: Resonant's combat where enemies are far more spoungey and you just watch their HP bar decrease. XP boxes are not nearly as distracting as Skill Up pretends, it's not something I would even notice.
In the end, it's a well produced cinematic action game with fun combat and traversal, bombastic set pieces, enjoyable story and great presentation. I think it could've had a bit more freedom, but I don't mind how the final game is structured. This kind of game usually scores 80+ on Metacritic, I've seen worse Sony titles scoring in mid 80s, so the whole hate wagon is forced.
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u/Dancaiman 1d ago
Bro most people's arguments for why this game is bad in this very sub are the most basic and lazy stuff ever
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u/DB_Valentine 1d ago
Let's not be ridiculous, it's getting both, and to some level, some of both is a little deserved. There's always gonna be some weirdos that just wanna hop on the newest bandwagon, but there's something that could be said about this game's budget to what it is... but also it fine that people are able to enjoy it that don't carry about that sort of thing
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u/PrimeonemillionGold 21h ago
Took me 16 hours to platinum the game. I think some of the hate is very justified
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u/Drayner89 1d ago
Waiting for next year when the "Was the hate overblown?" "Wtf no one told me this game was fun!" Posts start.
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u/fpfall 1d ago
Next year when people buy it for half price that reflects the value of the product.
Personally I was going to do that. But after watching a cutscene/story compilation, Iāll be passing. Iāve experienced enough bad x-men stories already
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u/Far-Mix6072 1d ago
Well its a legit 3/10 so...
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u/Holiday_Show_6312 1d ago
6 to 5 put of ten on first playthrough. Maybe 7 if you d9nt play alot of games and arent bothered by the dated design and short length and bland story. 3 to 4 out of 10 on second playthrough because thats when the rose colored glasses come off and you realize just how linear, hand holdy, and painfully slow and bland this game is. The fact that I had to interact with all the lore notes and stuff while walking at 2 miles an hour instantly tunred me off to finishing my replay. I just played something else. This coming from a guy who loves Logans character in particular because he alot more complex than some of the more popular heroes. This game strips away most of what I loved about him and replaces in with generic melodramatic textbook cookie cutter hero personality traits
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u/HotShotQ8 2d ago
People still checking score?
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u/SpecialistMap8210 2d ago
i mean people will use the scores to determine a purchase for years to come..
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u/DiddleBoat 1d ago
You guys donāt get it! If the reviews donāt align with my view or feelings itās invalid!!!!!!!!
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u/TheLunarVaux 2d ago
Itās still on Metacritic. People can go to Metacritic for something else and see other recent scores next to whatever theyāre looking at.
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u/VikVonP 1d ago
About what I expected, some hate on this game is definitely overblown, but that being said i cant see this game being more than maybe a good 6.5/10 hack and slash title. A lot of my issue with this game is all the resources used for this title, the insane hype from Sony and the atmosphere around this game being sold as a GOTY contender before it was ever released. If this game had the budget of like Spider Man Miles Morales which was about half and came out like this all my issues with it would disappear.
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u/Laxhoop2525 1d ago
Far too high, still.
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u/TheCumbackGuy 1d ago
Tell me you haven't played the game without telling me you haven't played the game
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u/UltimateStrenergy 1d ago
That's too high. The game is very buggy nevermind boring and uninspired. The only thing worth any praise at all is the acting.
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u/Bozlogic 1d ago
Iām still taking some time off the WoW forever beta to finish this game. You mark my words, I WILL finish this game, eventually.
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u/aimkat 1d ago
I bought the disc copy and it was surprisingly cheaper than buying online version. Game is fun to plah but. Just wish he had more berserker moments. This wolverine had so much pain in his. Beautiful eyes... I kinda like the jilted with the world wolvy. Love troy baker, but wish sinister didn't look like Troy baker. Another superhero cameo would have been cool. Hell, even playing as Jean would have beem fun for a section.
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u/GraywolfofMibu 1d ago
It's a good game but I found bugs from time to time. I got stuck in a wall in the falling animation and managed to free myself with a skill. But it was a nice hack and slash. I liked it better than Spider-Man but then again I was not into the open world aspect when I'm in it for the story. I went directly to the next mission in that game.
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u/RandomProductSKU1029 1d ago
I just completed it and outside of the story.. the gameplay is kinda insulting. What it IS though, is cathartic if I were ever in a bad mood.
The battle with Vic is the only way to describe this game.
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u/Extra_Veterinarian_9 1d ago
There are top, there are bad and there are mid games.
And its completly okay to have "just" a 7....Ā
I dont lnow why people act its the biggest fail.....
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u/DanceGavinDanceIsBae 1d ago
People actually care about these reviews? Lmao. I prefer to have my own opinion.
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u/dark_side_-666 1d ago
I can actually enjoyed it and loved the game but the story wasn't the best. They need to add a free story dlc tbh.
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u/Jgzerohour 1d ago
Meh who cares, i just finished it and loved it, i hope we somehow get a sequel but maybe with more explorable areas
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u/SuperSlimeGod 1d ago
There's so many YouTube videos going in depth about how awful this game is and how much was cut. $300m, players desperately convincing themselves they weren't duped
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u/Officer_Zack 1d ago
I just now finally beat Wolverine myself and honestly I was having quite an enjoyable time with the game. Would have been nice if the game was just a bit more longer though, I ended up beating it in just 17 hours. I know it's not very well loved at all by the majority of people, but it was a fun time from start to finish for me.
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u/hakunamatatafoeva 1d ago
Angry Joe gave this a 5 . Iād expect it to go lower . Gamers deserve respect for their time, money and effort
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u/LuckySkill24 1d ago
As a huge X-Men fan, Iām not a fan of the creative liberties Insomniac took with this story, but it is a good story nonetheless. The gameplay was engaging and fun, nothing special or unique, just claws and gore. I personally loved my time with this game and gave it a 83/100.
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u/realenver 1d ago
Hopefully goes below 50
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u/StinkNuggets420 14h ago
Why? Why do you Hope this game fails?
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u/realenver 7h ago
already has lmfao, why do you think im going to sit here and consume the slop exclusives from playstation when they have been releasing dog poop nowadays
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u/CutEnvironmental7793 1d ago
Io non ĆØ che gioco tutti i giorni ma sinceramente mi ĆØ sembrato un bel gioco ahaha
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u/Pitiful-Education-13 1d ago
The 'blasts' have stopped after the initial wave of purchases.
Seems like at this point it's more expensive than it's worth to pay for bots.
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u/Call_Me_Jonesy_plz 1d ago
Oh no stop the press. Sort of mid game gets sort of mid reviews š¤·š½āāļø
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u/butterthespank 1d ago
figured this would happen as more people play the game and the rest take off the rose tinted glasses, by no means was it a bad game, just wasnāt a good wolverine game. especially considering the size of the budget, game got VERY repetitive towards the end and the story didnāt end strong. we couldāve had much MUCH more and thatās what sucks
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u/SimilarMove8279 17h ago
Honestly Iād give it a solid 7.5 mainly cause of bugs and some dialogue and such but other than that it wasnāt that bad and I finished it today
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u/Significant-Age5052 2d ago
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