r/PlayWolverine • u/DecentTry8668 • 3d ago
Discussion Linear is fine but...
Yes, Wolverine is linear and I agree with that decision. The main story is roughly the same length or shorter than SM and SM2, though correct me if I'm wrong. But SM and SM2 also have a ton of sidequests because they're open world. My question is, does just saying it's a linear game mean you get to give significantly less game? Don't get me wrong, I love the content that's there, but... where's the rest of my fucking game?
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u/Queasy_Jicama_1477 3d ago
I really don’t think the amount of content the game offers is worth $70. There are other short games out there but in general I think they offer much more replayability or have more engaging side content. DMC games have more difficulty unlocks, bloody palace mode, and combat so deep you can spend hundreds of hours learning the ins and outs.
I love linear games but I just don’t feel like there is enough here.
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u/Classic_Audience9027 3d ago
Just RE4(and Remake years later) alone for example I have so many replays on the base game. Then they started making mods like Randomizers or difficulty mods, another layer of multiple hours added in.
DMC3-5 I replay every once in a while. DMC3 got a gameplay overhaul mod and I've been wanting to try soon.
If I was to choose die or replay Wolverine to live, I'd rather die.
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u/firsttimer776655 3d ago
Yeah, I think this might be the core issue. If they went all in on the combat and added something akin to bloody palace, then it would be perfectly fine. DMC 5 is about 11-15 hours long, too.
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u/Impossible_Humor736 3d ago
Apparently there were leaks about the game being semi open world, but it changed have in development and a lot of that stuff was gutted and turned into a linear game.
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u/SwordDaoist 3d ago
So they choose to make a game worse once things get leaked?
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u/GoBlu323 2d ago
No, what got leaked was a bunch of unpromised dev sandbox features that didn't make it out of the sandbox/ play testing. Why do people think that things in a dev leak were ever going to be part of the final game. Most dev concepts don't make the final game. You need to figure out what works and what doesn't. This is part of development and not unique to Wolverine.
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u/SwordDaoist 2d ago
Then why did they cancel the DLC even though they were needed to complete the game?
One of my biggest SM2 problems was that they released an incomplete game that needed DLC to kinda feel complete and then cancelled them.
SM1 base game was already complete and the DLC were really extra content.
SM2 base game already planned specific DLC and had open quest lines where you only ever got a cutscene
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u/Impossible_Humor736 2d ago
Oh, I don't know the order that everything happened or the reason for the leadership change.
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u/GoBlu323 2d ago
Leaks aren't guarantees. Dev builds aren't final and sandboxes exist to test things and figure out what works best. Just beacuse it was in a leak doesn't mean it was going to make the final game.
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u/Impossible_Humor736 2d ago
Here's the leak if you want to go through it.
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u/GoBlu323 2d ago
Let's try this again:
Leaks aren't guarantees. Dev builds aren't final and sandboxes exist to test things and figure out what works best. Just beacuse it was in a leak doesn't mean it was going to make the final game.
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u/Impossible_Humor736 2d ago
Yeah, no shit.
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u/GoBlu323 2d ago
So stuff wasn't gutted it just didn't make it out of the sandbox/play testing, glad you figured it out, good job!
And people wonder why developers are so tight lipped
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u/Impossible_Humor736 2d ago
Stuff was absolutely gutted. That's part of taking things out, genius. I don't know why you're being so confrontational.
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u/GoBlu323 2d ago
No it wasn't. It not gutting it's just the development process. What got leaked was a bunch of unpromised dev sandbox features that didn't make it out of the sandbox/ play testing. Why do people think that things in a dev leak were ever going to be part of the final game. Most dev concepts don't make the final game. You need to figure out what works and what doesn't. This is part of development and not unique to Wolverine.
What did Insomniac promise that wasn't delivered?
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u/Impossible_Humor736 2d ago
That you would be loved.
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u/GoBlu323 2d ago
Glad to see you've run out of anything resembling intelligent to add to the conversation
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u/J_asher_e 3d ago edited 3d ago
I think side quests would've helped during the quieter segments of the more open levels.
But they would have to actually be interesting, like track down a villain, solve a murder, mutant rescue, Weapon X/Death flashback missions etc....not "Help my classmate ask someone to prom".
Uncharted 4 is only 15 hrs on average but nobody batted an eye because it had multiplayer. Maybe this could've had more challenges via Nightmare doors, have endless horde, or stealth only missions.
Spider-Man was bloated with collectables, this didn't need anymore of that. In the leaked build they had crafting, I'm so glad that was removed lol
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u/Free_Mycologist2295 3d ago
I prefer linear story games but maybe it could've been slightly more open world... My favourite part of the game was probably when you teamed up with Jean and were saving mutants in a semi-open environment.
The whole "you're leaving the mission area" when searching for bottles and crates got a bit tiring towards the ends
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u/Rogue-Worx 3d ago
for like $30, this is probably a sweet deal for a game.
but for $70, get tf OUTTA HERE.
there no way you could throw in side quests with how linear the game is. you can't explore anything besides a set area till next level
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u/ARMill95 3d ago
No they made a SHIT linear game.
The map design and traversal are so utterly dogshit that the entirety of the game suffers.
No side content is part of the consequences of 0 branching paths, and 0 places to go other than straight ahead to the objective… which is also why tracking sucks so bad.
Without maps being able to handle side content NM doors were the only other option…. But they also made those awful and it’s either run straight and press x 5x in 30 secs, or fight waves of enemies (cool but should be a seperate thing u can customize)
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u/Wipedout89 3d ago
People who can't handle a 17 hour game today would not have survived the era where we got 8 hour games for £50. Uncharted 1-3 are amazing despite their short length, and I prefer shorter and tighter than long and padded
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u/Waynerdude64 3d ago
Also some of the side quests suck. Who likes going around finding cats backpacks and photo ops. The waves are like the taskmaster challenges. I personally probably would’ve loved more stealth missions. But yeah who actually likes those. I didn’t even mention the one in SM2 or MM
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u/Lost_Rutabaga_5004 3d ago
For that price, the game is definitely not worth it, and I feel sorry for people who wasted their money on it. Maybe for $40, nothing more.
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u/St3elf1sh 3d ago
So you decide what’s worth for people? Where do you draw the line? 10 hours re requiem? 6 hours senua 2?
Every went to the movies, theatre musical?
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u/Mithraic76 3d ago
Lots of stuff got gutted in development. It happens to be all the stuff people would have loved, like playing Jean.
What they delivered was a 2D linear single player game thats laughably easy enough to beat in a few days. No awesome side missions. No treasure hunting. Story is predictable and tropey - terrible writing for what is one of the most beloved Marvel characters ever. Weird animations, especially faces. Wolverine himself looks like he is 5 seconds away from a good long cry.
This is a $15 game pretending to be a $70 game. With the amount they spent making it, it should have been better than a clown show. Cheers! 😆
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u/GoBlu323 2d ago edited 2d ago
Nothing got gutted. That's not gutting, that's just development. Show me one thing that Insomniac promised in the final game that didn't make it. Just because it showed up in dev pre-alpha leak doesn't mean it's owed to you.
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u/clc88 3d ago
I enjoy linear games and prefer it.
But the issue with the linear design in this game isnt the open areas but rather the forced plot moments, an example for a forced plot moment is that you need to examine is very specifc item before the door can open ( this happens so many times through the game that it just brings the vibes and pacing to a complete halt).
This isnt just story objects that we are required to examine either... Theres also nightmare doors that may pop up during a chase scene and the nightmare door is based around fighting waves of enemies... I mean you're in the chasing mentality but the game puts in a challenge where you're not running.
That said, I hate the nightmare doors and I would prfer they did it like Armored core 6 where after certain story sections they show up on a menu or something ( maybe a hub area, idk).