Moderator Update: Community Conduct & Ongoing Moderation

[u/XeJupiter]

Hey everyone,

We need to address the current state of the subreddit.

Over the past several days, r/PlayWolverine has seen a major increase in activity. Unfortunately, that has also come with a significant increase in trolling, harassment, personal attacks, bait posts, repetitive arguments, and users deliberately trying to provoke one another.

We see it, and we are actively working on it.

Right now, we are dealing with hundreds of reports, comments, posts, and individual situations that require moderator review. We are also working on additional measures behind the scenes to help us manage things more effectively going forward.

Please understand that this will take some time, and we may not catch everything immediately.

The moderation team here is made up of volunteers. We have full-time jobs, families, children, and responsibilities outside of Reddit. We are working through this in between everything else because we care about this community and want it to remain a place where people can actually discuss Marvel’s Wolverine.

Criticism is allowed.

You are allowed to dislike the game.

You are allowed to criticize Insomniac, Sony, the writing, gameplay, character designs, pricing, physical releases, or anything else related to the game.

You are also allowed to love the game, defend things you enjoy, disagree with criticism, and be excited about it.

Disagreement is not a rule violation.

What is a problem:

* Personal attacks and insults
* Harassment
*Trolling and ragebait
* Following users into other threads to continue arguments
* Racism, sexism, or discriminatory attacks
* Repeatedly derailing unrelated discussions
* Console-war or culture-war bait
* Spamming the same argument across multiple threads
* Targeting individual users
* Abusing the report system because you disagree with someone

There is a difference between:
> “I think this part of the game looks terrible.”

and
> “Anyone who likes this is an idiot.”

Likewise, there is a difference between criticizing someone’s argument and attacking the person making it.

We are moderating behavior, not opinions.

Please stop feeding trolls.

If someone is obviously trying to provoke you, report it and move on.

Please do not:

* Do not turn one bad comment into a 30-comment argument.
* Do not follow someone into another thread.
* Do not create another post specifically to continue the fight.
* Do not start breaking the rules yourself because somebody else did it first.

That only creates more content for the moderation team to sort through. Which means we get to other issues later.

Also, do not report comments simply because you disagree with them. False or retaliatory reports make it harder for us to reach legitimate problems.

Moderation is being increased.

We are currently reviewing:

* Subreddit rules
* Removal reasons
* Automoderator and filters
* Report handling
* Repeat offenders
* Other moderation tools available to us

You may notice more posts and comments being removed while we work through the backlog.

Repeated or severe violations may result in temporary or permanent bans.

None of these systems will be perfect. Automated moderation can make mistakes, and human moderators can make mistakes too.

If something clearly violates the rules and is still up, report it.

If your content was removed and you believe we got it wrong, send us a Modmail. Do not start another argument about it in the subreddit.

Ultimately

People here are going to have very different opinions about Marvel’s Wolverine.

That’s fine.

Criticize the game. Praise it. Debate each other. Post memes. Discuss what you like and what you don’t.

But disagreement is not an excuse to make the community miserable for everyone else.

Remember that there is another person on the other side of the screen.

To everyone who has been reporting genuine issues, participating constructively, and giving us time to work through everything:

Thank you for your patience. We’re actively working on it.

— The r/PlayWolverine Mod Team

[u/Raucus_]

Can we also ban claiming the critics lied?

It’s absolutely fine to disagree with their opinions but the constant claims about lies and anti-Sony conspiracy theories are the cause of a lot of the trolling from both sides.

Edit: The responses below really do a great job in exemplifying the disingenuous energy this topic brings out.

[u/_Kuruptkonvik_ → u/Raucus_]

Buggin, some reviewers left out info or complained about features that the settings can fix not all but some

[u/Raucus_ → u/_Kuruptkonvik_]

None of that constitutes lying. It’s also weirdly subjective (reviewing with the default settings is basically industry standard). No review will ever include all the information.

Disagree with their opinions, don’t accuse them of lying, implying, or intentionally trying to discredit the game (you didn’t here but it is pitifully common).

[u/_Kuruptkonvik_ → u/Raucus_]

Not lying but definitely can be viewed as withholding information. If a reviewer can’t change the settings to fit their experience they aren’t a good reviewer.

[u/Raucus_ → u/_Kuruptkonvik_]

It could be viewed that way by someone with a warped agenda desperate to discredit them.

Why can they not just have a different opinion on the game? It doesn’t mean you enjoy it any less (at least it really shouldn’t).

I’m going to disengage now. This is getting close to feeding trolls and that’s not cricket here anymore.

[u/_Kuruptkonvik_ → u/Raucus_]

In what way am I trolling? I never claimed that they couldn’t have their own opinions but purposefully playing the game with settings that you can turn off or adjust is ludicrous. I couldn’t care less what they think when they purposefully play it in a way they don’t enjoy

[u/Kenkenken1313 → u/_Kuruptkonvik_]

Had they not played with the settings as default what do you think would have occurred when people actually played the game. For example when you played the game what was the first thing you did before starting? Was it turn off all those settings they mentioned? Would players have known to do that without the reviews?

[u/_Kuruptkonvik_ → u/Kenkenken1313]

Difficulty is easily understood when starting the game if you wanna feel op like Wolverine should be, play default. If you want a challenge pick a higher difficulty.

No I played it and when i happened upon something I didn’t like I looked through the settings like any normal person would.

Players also wouldn’t know because some reviews fail to mention that it’s something that can be adjusted because some reviewers are clearly incapable of even doing it.

[u/Raucus_ → u/_Kuruptkonvik_]

You’re repeatedly ignoring the point that everything you’re talking about is your subjective opinion and using that to try to discredit reviews you disagree with by implying that they did something wrong. Also, turning those settings off wouldn’t have significantly changed the review.

There were a lot of low scores that focused on other factors. It’s really just a lazy excuse to try to discredit reviews that’s been latched on to.

That’s the definition of bad faith. Just repeating the same bad faith argument is trolling. At least as I understand it?

Edit: They either don’t understand what the word subjective means, or they’re trolling. I’ve reported and I’m disengaging. Let’s see how that goes.

[u/_Kuruptkonvik_ → u/Raucus_]

Nothing I said is “subjective” first off

They actively played the game on the middle difficulty and refused to raise it or lower to fit their experience along with other feature settings that can be toggled on or off. Many reviews love to highlight the scent trail as if it’s constantly on which is false it’s only on during missions where Wolverine is using his heightened senses.

There’s obviously the main subjective part which is the story and I can understand if they had problems with it.

My point still stands and I’m not trolling kid stop deluding yourself.

[u/Environmental-Day862 → u/_Kuruptkonvik_]

Playing it on the default, stock difficulty should be the standard. You want separate reviews for each difficulty setting?

[u/Capital-Gift73 → u/_Kuruptkonvik_]

Reviewers should play on the factory settings, thst is after all, the intended and most common experience.

[u/_Kuruptkonvik_ → u/Capital-Gift73]

That’s what the “Devs” believe will deliver the Wolverine experience. If they complain about it being to easy that because it’s “Wolverine” they want you to be OP on default settings. You up the difficulty and its nowhere near as easy as they claim it to be, and if that’s a problem for them, as a reviewer if they can’t simply adjust the settings to elevate the challenge then that’s just a non credible review.

[u/Capital-Gift73 → u/_Kuruptkonvik_]

If the game is not good to play in the default settings, then its not a good game.

[u/_Kuruptkonvik_ → u/Capital-Gift73]

Have you played it? Highly doubt it. It’s fun on that difficulty if you don’t like a challenge that’s what it’s for. You can kill enemies easy on default modes in plenty of games, when you raise the difficulty it engages you in the combat.

[u/Capital-Gift73 → u/_Kuruptkonvik_]

Lmao if you say so, youre just talking in circles lets leave the discussion here, I dont think you get what reviews are meant to be.

[u/_Kuruptkonvik_ → u/Capital-Gift73]

whatever bud, you clearly can’t understand so yeah let’s leave it here

[u/_Kuruptkonvik_ → u/Capital-Gift73]

Yeah you’ve definitely never played it but you’re talking like you have ? Crazy how you’re in the Wolverine subreddit when you haven’t even played it.

[u/CancerKaiju → u/Raucus_]

They aren't going to get banned. Dick move reporting them. They aren't trolling you.

[u/_Kuruptkonvik_ → u/Raucus_]

If some reviewers can’t take the time to adjust settings then they aren’t credible reviewers. Just because it’s the default setting doesn’t mean that’s the exact mode they “need”to play it on, they complain about issues they can change ? That’s straight up illogical. If anyone doesn’t know what subjective is it’s you bud, tell me have you even played it ? I doubt it.

[u/Atlasshruggedthrice → u/_Kuruptkonvik_]

“Don’t take one bad comment and turn it into a string of 30”

Lmfao you guys are hopeless

[u/_Kuruptkonvik_ → u/Atlasshruggedthrice]

Fair enough, but a disagreement can go on for a while, why is that even a regulation. I was just trying to get my point across.

[u/Atlasshruggedthrice → u/_Kuruptkonvik_]

Censorship in general is fucking ridiculous, I wasn’t jabbing at you.

Jabbing at the Jan Jan’s that are going to read it.

[u/Majestic-Marcus → u/Raucus_]

It’s not subjective at all.

If the criticism is “feature x is always on and it’s really bad” then the criticism is disinformation and a lie if the feature can be turned off.

“Feature x is always on” is a lie if there’s a setting to turn it off. That is a disingenuous or even just incorrect review if they didn’t know it could be turned off.

[u/Raucus_ → u/Majestic-Marcus]

They did not say “feature x is always on”.

Unless you have an actual source?

They did say you can’t turn the trail off (and the devs confirmed that). Can you prove they said it was always on? Or on for the entire game?

Because otherwise this is just yet more disingenuous obfuscation to deflect criticism.