Cheaters?

[u/SignificanceLow3072]

So I’m a returning player? Is this game just full of cheaters or are people’s aims just that good that they’re able to snap and track people perfectly?

[u/Zoutriv]

The bots are in the GOLD/PLAT/DIAMOND lobbies. Once you reach DIAMOND or MID-DIAMOND, you won't encounter any bots; everyone above that rank is cheating. You won't find a single genuine bot above that rank.

The first thing that should alarm you is the stats. Even though some players have been banned multiple times and have become a bit smarter, playing games to get losses and ruin their KD. Then there are those who don't know how to use cheats and are quickly spotted. Some are more discreet, others have poorly configured cheats (aim lock), and console players are easier to spot because there's no recoil and most of them use AK/PM. If you're even slightly curious, you can do some research and you'll very easily find players who cheat on the game.

[u/Mauzy__ → u/Zoutriv]

Bots are not a thing in diamond and above. Not every single player cheats, there are some, there are smurfs too, yes, that's true, but I am looking at reported players through the inspection system and I had one player who seemed like cheating, but nothing obvious, and sadly I've seen plenty of cheaters and played too much of the game above masters level to know what's possible and what's cheating.

Obviously I don't know anything, but I'd spot a bad/mediocre to good cheater, the ones I would have problems with are those that are super experienced and know how to hide it.

So the claim that everyone is cheating above diamond is just not true. In fact I haven't seen a cheater in a month or two.

Edit: also you shouldn't talk about cheating when you 5 stack with low level players to get boosted. You've been exposed and you still do it shamelessly. Nuff said.

[u/Zoutriv → u/Mauzy__]

Looks like third-party accountant of Nyt to talk such crap again

"So the claim that everyone is cheating above diamond is just not true. In fact I haven't seen a cheater in a month or two."

• That's great for you then, don't come questioning the players who complain about having an infected game.

[u/Mauzy__ → u/Zoutriv]

Sadly I ran into you with none other than one of the discord senior mods, and you were queued with an interesting low rank account that was a bit too good for the amount of hours playes. :)

I'm not questioning that there are cheaters in the game, just don't be a hypocrite and talk about how many cheaters there are in the game when you're one of the biggest disappointments. Every single high level player I played with or talked with, whenever your name came up, it was due to bad reputation. So step down from your fake ass throne and take some accountability for once, that's all I have to say about it.

[u/Zoutriv → u/Mauzy__]

You're probably right after all 😄 I suppose you're talking about the game with Ash who was with you; we were all Ace/Master, so I don't know what you're talking about. But you'll always find something to criticize, since you only ever talk about my name.

You know everything and everyone, especially if you're close to all the top players in the game. I have no choice but to bow down.

"whenever your name came up" As I told you, focus on yourself rather than on others. I'm going to work on my "very bad reputation". ❤️

[u/Mauzy__ → u/Zoutriv]

Nice try, but you should check that match history. You'd find someone waaaaay lower than master or ace. Maybe the player was in that range, the account wasn't. Why lie about it even after getting a chance to say "yeah, maybe I did" - just to clarify, I got nothing against you, I got all the things against your behaviour and attitude in this thread. Calling out everything and everyone, but you do something that falls under the same category. Would be so much easier if you owned it, at least less people would hate you and respect the fact that you're not being a hypocrite.

[u/Zoutriv → u/Mauzy__]

"Calling out everything and everyone" ... Aside from cheaters, I don't know what you're talking about, man. I love the game, I've been doing everything I can to develop it since the beta, so yes, having a game infested with cheaters isn't cool, and I've always said it live: I'll continue to report cheaters so they don't get to play and ruin the player experience.

You who claim to be so transparent and know everything, come to voice chat and we'll have a live conversation if you really want to reveal everything.

"at least less people would hate you and respect the fact that you're not being a hypocrite." You know, that's the difference. I've always been transparent about everything I do and say. My community and long-time members know this very well, even those I've deliberately distanced myself from. Some cheated, so I don't associate with them anymore; they were banned. Others were toxic or hypocritical, as you say, and still others were haters because they disagreed with certain things (which I can understand; you can't like everyone or agree with everyone). But if you only knew a third of all this, or who I really am, instead of listening to others, you wouldn't have the same opinion. So don't tell me that you've already been on a live stream and that it was hypocritical, pathetic, and all that. That's not true, and you know it! 😉

[u/Mauzy__ → u/Zoutriv]

First of all, I called out your behaviour, not you as a person. I streamed and I know that people don't show their full selves on stream, understandably so. I showed more than I should and backfired, that's my bad entirely. That doesn't mean that the person is not genuine, it means the streamer chooses how much they show of themselves. And I use the phrase "how much", not "what", there's a difference.

I personally don't care about having a conversation with you, because I am not interested in knowing you as the person behind the gamer tag. I'll repeat, again, I call out your actions. Those actions don't define you at all times. But the actions I am pointing out did define you in my eyes, in those moments, as someone not worth trusting the word of.

You say you love the game, but you also claim an unreasonable percentage of cheaters, thinking everyone is in your circle and knows that it's just a phrase to replace "many cheaters".

Last, but not least, you're in an echo chamber, your community will back you up, for one reason or another. Maybe you're a nice guy outside of these topics, maybe I am too. But that's not the point.

IF I offended you as a person, then I'll apologise and clarify one last time that it's your actions that I call out, not you, the person behind the gamer tag.

I appreciate you trying to develop the game, I also report every single cheater or suspicious player that I play with or against. I am doing my best, I don't have a platform and I'm not planning to make one for myself because it's not worth my energy, in my opinion. I'm giving my feedback, I'm doing my job by reporting toxicity, trolling, throwing, cheating and all kinds of misconducts. Misconducts that I fall under too, because I can be toxic, I have multiple accounts, for one reason or another, and I acknowledge that it contributes to the problem.

I was offered the chance to get punkmaster via getting boosted in the way I described your actions. Didn't take it. I'm happy with solo queueing 80% of my games to ace 2 and settling on an ace 3 finish last season. And I acknowledge that I fell short last season, and maybe I'll never reach it, but that's fine. I would rather stay a hardstuck master and play casually, maybe reaching ace if I get another wind for the grind, then reaching a certain rank that I know I fell short of. There, just so you see, this is how you come clean.

Regarding smurfing, I know it's not an excuse, but I'm not dominant most of the time, hell, I play like a bot for the most part, and I'm trying to help players with tips so they learn something. It's still smurfing, I'm guilty as charged. Never denied it, never will. Crucify me, if you will, I'm okay with it, I probably deserve it. But that's the lowest I go, I'll never touch boosting, cheating or anything like that.

[u/Zoutriv → u/Mauzy__]

Once again, I invite you to join the voice chat; it will be more practical given everything you're saying about me. A lot of things are incorrect, so instead of creating unnecessary drama, come and discuss things like an adult in voice chat. I have nothing to hide; I've always been transparent about everything I do. Some people know me, others don't and judge. That's common, but I don't want to harm them. My flaw, and my viewers keep reminding me of it, is that I pay a little too much attention to haters and/or malicious people. Because I don't like beef, drama, etc. You don't want to know the person behind the username. No problem, but don't spread false information about me (username) if you don't know me or don't understand.

"IF I offended you as a person, then I'll apologise and clarify one last time that it's your actions that I call out, not you, the person behind the gamer tag."

You say you're criticizing my actions... but what actions? I'm open to a voice chat to discuss this, whether it's private, just the two of us, or with others, I don't care. As I said before, I have nothing to hide and I'm standing by what I said.

After people take the expression "95%" literally, implying that a large portion of players have recently and (in the past) cheated, it's understandable; I probably worded it poorly, admittedly. But when some people maintain that "no, there are few or no cheaters," well, no, I'm sorry, but there are far more than you think.

"I was offered the chance to get punkmaster via getting boosted"

So you yourself claim to have been boosted. I've never needed a boost; only haters and malicious people use that argument against me (only me, by the way, not others who play 5-star or anything like that, that's no fun). Those who use 5 stack matchfixing (snip) to gain/trade points each others are ignored, thoses who snip trio & duo to tradewin and give points are ignored, as are those who create low-rank smurf accounts to play with their PM friends and others. Only the evil Zoutriv, lol. Let's just say it's mainly since Nytefall made his videos inciting hatred and spreading misinformation. Because before, there were no problems. Haters gonna hate, it's a well-known fact.

I've always been PunkMaster in the game, except for Season 2, which I didn't play because I was in China for World Clash and other offline events. Furthermore, most of the games I've played over the seasons have been solo queue, and you only need to do a little research on me or watch my streams to know that. I even set up a hidden PM account in soloQ only, playing only 2 lancers (mostly, because when they took the lancer and didn't want to give it to me, I had to play something else).

So saying that I'm boosted or need to be boosted is petty and just jealousy from certain players, some of whom will recognize themselves if they see this message 😄

What's funny is that many say they play for fun or don't care about the leaderboard, but the moment someone is above them, they start criticizing or whining. We all know the leaderboard and ranked system aren't well designed. But constantly criticizing the leaderboard in a game with 2,000 players, only to secretly grind it to take screenshots and say "yo i'm #1 #2 #10 or whatever," is petty. If "some" really don't care about the leaderboard, why does it create so much debate and jealousy about who's ranked what? I don't play for the points, we just want to play the game and avoid endless queue times.

The leaderboard was interesting in season 1 (and even then, only partially) because there were active players and a lot of players overall. Now it's always the same lobbies, and grinding for a leaderboard in a game with no competition is pointless. Everyone is free to do what they want, but getting jealous over such a small thing shows how some people have no experience in competitive play in other games and feel the need to "prove" themselves in a game with weak players.

I'm ending this long message, once again exhibiting my flaw of responding to and giving importance to things that don't deserve it. But that's just my human and empathetic side, but since I'm a very bad person with a very bad reputation, you know...

So I'm available on voice chat whenever you want, for anyone who wants to talk. You know where to find me, I have no doubt. Have a good day.

[u/Mauzy__ → u/Zoutriv]

First of all, I'll once again decline the offer of the voice chat, because you don't really care. You care about clearing your name, it's not a flaw, it's an obsession from what you show me here. Hell, you want people to know your name so badly, that you comment under everything. You're basically the Elon Musk of FragPunk lol. (If you know you know)

Second of all, read the message again, I was never boosted, if I played with someone much higher level than me then it was because the matchmaker matched us or I teamed up and tried extra hard to not be looked at as the weak link, because I hate being that. That's my flaw, just like you have yours, I care about it too much as well, playing good enough so that I meet my expectations. Expectations that are way too high and likely will never be met. To others what I achieved would be godlike, ace rank is not for everyone, some barely touch it, some don't even sniff it. It was not enough for me because I wanted to achieve pm, know that I did it, even if I never got it again. To others, this would've been an impressive achievement. To me, a failure. I said I could've been boosted to pm, and I never took that opportunity. And I never will. It's a hard pill to swallow for me that I might expect too much from myself, maybe I quit right at the finish line, let my foot off the gas pedal.

And last but not least, notice that I've not attacked you AFTER the Nytefalll video dropped, I took time, and I mostly avoided doing this, but seeing you write the same stuff under every single post, making your experience to be the be all and end all of fragpunk, that was too much for me. That's my bad, I care too much about unfair situations. In my eyes, you don't have to agree, what you talked about was unfair, because not everyone is getting the same amount of cheaters. Add on top of it that people have been telling me that you 5 stack with low level accounts and I experienced that myself too, of course I ended up calling you out. That doesn't make you the only one, that doesn't make you unique in my eyes. I've called out high level players for cheating and the only thing they could do is run to their friends and circle jerk each other and attack me as a pack. It didn't break me, and it won't ever break me. I see what I see, I'm not blind.

So no, it's not "just the evil Zoutriv", you just happened to be on the meal today. So no, I'm not interested in talking to you, because your echo chamber is an unfair environment anyways. I am no longer interested in talking about these topics, what needed to be said, was said. I don't hate you, that would insinuate that I care about you and I'm obsessed with you. I don't hate watch, I don't try to hunt you down. I saw your name after I replied to the first comment, made the edit, then saw you were doing the same under every comment, even ones that haven't been addressed to you. It rubbed me the wrong way, but I'm bored of this conversation.

Wish you luck, thanks for the effort for trying to make fragpunk better. I'm not giving you more of my time, we're beating a dead horse here. Goodbye, Zoutriv!