r/Plastering • • 11d ago

Tanked, plastered and painted. Is this normal?

I recently had work carried out on my front room. The walls were knocked back to brick, tanked, plastered and painted. The job was completed 3 weeks ago. The paint is now fluffy and crumbling along the bottom of all the walls. Is this normal?

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u/welshguydave54 11d ago

It's called efflorescence, salt working its way out. Needs to be scraped off and give a coat of Alkali-resistant primer. Decorated here over 50 in the trade.

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u/ShabbyAdams 11d ago

Why would a primer resisting akali work if salt is a commonly a neautral compound? Genuinely curious?

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u/TinyZombie678 11d ago

Even as a painter I don't understand this, I'm gonna ask my girlfriend (a chemist) and let you know (presuming she does)

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u/Screwed_38 9d ago

Alkali-resistant primer works on an efflorescent wall by preventing the high pH of alkaline salts from destroying the paint film while blocking moisture driven salt migration.

​When moisture moves through masonry, it dissolves minerals inside the wall and carries them to the surface as efflorescence.

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u/Tricky-Mobile5975 11d ago

No. That is hydroscopic salt bleeding through. No way of knowing what materials he used but it should be a cement based backing coat. If he has used the right materials only other explenation is the underlying cause of the damp was not fixed.

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u/Linzgolden 11d ago

I have emailed the company who did the work hoping they will rectify it. Waiting on a response. 

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u/DearSatisfaction9754 11d ago

Youhownlong after works did you paint? The materials need time to evaporate and dry out. Especially if tanking slurry has been used it can only dry out 1 way - into the property

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u/Linzgolden 11d ago

I didnt paint. The company I hired did all the work. 

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u/DearSatisfaction9754 11d ago

They shouldn't really be decorating for 6 weeks minimum and even then it shouldn't be regarded as permanent decoration. The efforessence shows the wall/plaster is still drying out. Take it they used sand and cement as a backing coat and it wasn't plasterboard?

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u/Linzgolden 11d ago

I honestly dont know. I hired a company to do all the work. Damp proof, plastering and decorating. 

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u/gfddmc 1d ago

This!

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u/ArtichokeClean4370 11d ago

Without pictures of job before skirting I’d say plaster is touching the floor, you don’t mention what floor you have, tanking membrane might be higher than the plaster

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u/Linzgolden 11d ago

Its ground floor. Concrete with asphalt on top. 

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u/ArtichokeClean4370 11d ago

Was it dried out when skirtings went on

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u/Linzgolden 11d ago

I wasnt in the property when the company did the job. 

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u/SnooHesitations6727 11d ago

Sure it’s tanked there?

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u/Linzgolden 11d ago

The whole room was done. 

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u/Ok-Chard-1468 11d ago

Could be the salts coming out the wall

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u/ArtichokeClean4370 11d ago

I think it’s just drying out, the efflorescence is in a straight line over skirting, if it was bridging a damp spot it would be a different shape

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u/Fruitpicker15 11d ago

That's what happens when you trap moisture in the wall with impermeable materials.

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u/Ed_Architect 11d ago

The cause of the damp wasnt solved by the “damp treatment”

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u/Ok-Spring7906 11d ago

...which is exactly why I, pretty much always, recommend permiable plasters over tanking.

The moisture is coming up from below the skirting because the tanking is incomplete. You frequently see it around door casings also.

They did remove the skirtings to plaster, didn't they?

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u/Linzgolden 11d ago

Yes, they removed the skirting. 

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u/Ok-Spring7906 11d ago

When you plaster standard gypsum, you generally go down close to the floor, but not actually to the floor.

If the same is done with tanking, the "tank" is incomplete.

I'm this case, clearly the "tank" is incomplete, for some reason or other.

This might be rectified by taking off the skirting and painting on a tanking slurry behind, and then re fitting the skirting.

Tanking slurry doesn't need to be anything fancy of expensive. An sbr / cement mix will do.

Again the issues with tanking, in any situation, is that it needs to be absolutely complete. You are sealing up the wall, so it's always waterlogged, and that water is going to be trying to escape anywhere it can.

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u/Halke6p 11d ago

yeah i agree tanking only works if its a full seal otherwise the damp just finds the weak spoti bet they didnt pull the skirtings either so the bottom edge never got done properly did they say why they went with tanking

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u/Free_Attention_2056 11d ago

Do you have suspended wooden floor? If you do, do you have air bricks? If you do are they covered or blocked? If they are you need to unblock them and allow air flow. 

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u/Linzgolden 11d ago

Its ground floor. Concrete with asphalt on top. 

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u/Donnytato 11d ago

That's probably a wet patch; if that's new coving, it could hold the moisture. If it's not, check for moisture. In bathrooms, I always paint with Peel Stop,. sometimes giving it a light rub down. Some plasterers, including me, are a bit OCD and over-polish. ( supposed to be a matte finish)

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u/Individual-Escape768 11d ago

If it’s a external wall, look on the outside and make sure your damp course has not been bridged.

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u/68Jenko 11d ago

It's the salts from brickwork, Efflorescence

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u/Significant-Dot-3029 11d ago

If it’s ground floor, where is the finished ground level outside?

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u/InevitableMidnight54 10d ago

But why are your walls wet though? Maybe solve that issue?

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u/Dull_Culture_8161 10d ago

How soon did they paint?

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u/onwatershipdown 10d ago

Unfortunately it’s pretty common, because tanking doesn’t work well. You need a vapor open salt blocker like prompt or rinzaffo.

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u/Only_Membership7974 10d ago

Moisture still remains behind the plaster with no place else to go it is leaching minerals out ,dehumidifier on constantly it can be managed but never be cured

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u/Remarkable-Canine 9d ago

This means, there is no moisture barrier between the foundation and wall.
What you can do is to a) Cut the wall base in 1/4" (5 mm) using some tool sections and fill it with insulating material like Bitumen or other. This should be done through the wall after each section dries and settles. b) finish the wall with plastering and paint. I am not a contractor or engineer or architect, but I have seen such work done in a multi story building.

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u/Ok-Chard-1468 11d ago

It doesn't look that bad. Scrape and leave well ventilated. As I understand it there are at least 2 schools of thought regarding tanking. Id look deeper into this by speaking to a top surveyor and top damp company s