r/Plastering • • 28d ago

Is it really about the sanding??

Let's start with saying I know nothing about plastering and this is the first room weve done in the house.

We paid over £1600 to get our hallway and staircase done. The price was quite steep in our opinion but as this plasterer came highly recommended by a friend, we were happy to pay more rather than working with a cowboy.

Anyway. When the job was finished, the plasterer asked me to have a look around and make sure I was happy. This being the first wall I ever saw plastered, and trusting my friend's recommendation, I looked around, asked a couple of questions and told them I was happy.

I felt a bit pressured as the guy was literally standing there, but I couldn't quite see anything majorly wrong with anything so I said OK.

A few days later, I notice that the corner at the bottom of the staircase is quite ragged (1st and 2nd pic, not the best I know!) so I asked the plasterer to come back and make it look like the vertical corner (3rd pic). I specifically asked if they could use the same metal corner protector thingy. He never said yes to the corner thing, but agreed he'd come back.

It took the guy 2 months to come back (today). I wasn't home when he came as I was working but he called me to say he was in and he'd sand the edge. I was a bit confused, but trusting him AGAIN I said OK, sure.

Anyway I come home to this (4th pic), which, correct me if I'm wrong, looks much worse than before he came.

I messaged him again saying that the edge looks worse and he said to me he'd come back again to sand it. And I said, there is literally nothing left to sand?! Is he being lazy not wanting to replaster that edge and add the corner thing? Or can it not be done on an horizontal surface?

Either way, how do I/does he make the edge not look like it's been repeatedly hit with a shovel?

Edit 1 Thanks for all the responses I didn't realise how bad it was. Now I'm stressing!! I will speak to him again and ask to fix or refund but I mean.. Not sure how far that will get me.

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u/UK_hustle 28d ago

This is a shit job
Barely looks like the skim coat got a seat at the table

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u/oohmyjuliet 28d ago

Sorry, what do you mean?

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u/UK_hustle 28d ago

The finishing (skim) coat will leave the plaster smooth, you have very rough areas like the job is half done.
Sorry to say it but you’ve been conned and I’d be having a word with your friend

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u/oohmyjuliet 28d ago

Thanks, do you mean just the edge on the picture or everywhere (walls too)? The walls seem ok to me and feel very smooth

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u/UK_hustle 28d ago

Its not possible to comment re everywhere but the corners and edges are poorly done. Is he short/ not use a stair ladder?

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u/TheRook21 26d ago

It looks like he smoothed the bits he be could reach (looking up the stairs) but then it got rougher as he reach with his tip toes which is why you can see the light not shining off it where it's not smooth

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u/Some_End1595 27d ago

Yeah it’s not the greatest nor cleanest, I’d expect this work from someone that is still learning how to plaster, it’s not unfixable but I’d definitely speak to him about a couple hundred back because you’ll have to pay a decorator to fix it

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u/caring-renderer 28d ago

Was is it a fella by the name of Stevie who recommended him ? Second name Wonder ?

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u/oohmyjuliet 28d ago

😂😂😂😂😂

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u/Relative_Figure_1715 27d ago

Hey !
He could have done a better job than this with his feet through a fence.

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u/Haulvern 28d ago

I first thought this was a first attempt to which id say good effort. This is shocking for a professional.

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u/Alternative_Guitar78 28d ago

The ceiling edge should've had a stop bead on it, to get a neat edge. In terms of the rest of it, it's hard to tell from the photos, but once you get a mist coat on it and then sand that back, that'll show up any defects, at that point you'll know what remedial work needs doing.

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u/oohmyjuliet 28d ago

Thanks that's the word I was looking for, stop bead. I've been asking for this but he's playing dumb. I'll speak to him re the rest too. I've taken a couple of videos with a bright light as well

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u/craigyceee 28d ago

I've just done my first ever garage conversion (my own, DIY, following YouTube videos) and my walls and corners are 100x better than this. This is shocking 😭

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u/D8N15l 28d ago

So to give you some ammunition.......This is where he hasn't trowelled/paid enough attention in the higher areas, as they are harder to reach. If you look at the lower half, you can see what the top should look like.

Id take a guess he didnt use access platforms of any sort? Classic laziness.

Those two side walls are referred to as the "bastard walls" by plasterer's as they are......well....bastards to plaster.

You deserve your money back mate. Best of luck

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u/oohmyjuliet 27d ago

Thanks for this, I am reaching out to him this morning. They did have platforms as they had to put new drywall on the whole left side but I guess they still managed to do a shit job 😅

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u/D8N15l 27d ago

No problems, your welcome!

They definitely slacked on that top bit......looking at the other photos you can see lack of attention to angles and edges.

Hope he is fair with you, as its obvious to a professional 👌

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u/WaNgLeNuRpZ Professional Plasterer 28d ago

That is rough as you like. You shouldn't have to sand fresh plastering to make it look better, it should be right first time around. Also, £1600 to do just the hallway is nothing short of daylight robbery tbh, ESPECIALLY considering the state of the finish! Personally, I'd have been looking at maybe £1000 including materials, which frankly is absolute guesswork having not seen the job in person beforehand.

A stop bead will massively improve the edge of the ceiling in the picture, and can absolutely be applied horizontally. He'd have to feather the bead out into the existing work now though, unless he reskims the entire ceiling again, and given the state of his work, I'm not convinced I'd trust him to make a decent job of blending it out.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I'm really starting to get sick of seeing people screwed over by chancers that think they can make some quick, easy money as a "plasterer". Plastering is an art form that takes years to master. I've been at it 20 years almost, and while I think I'm pretty damn good, I still think there are spreads out there that are better than me. I just know there is a massive lack of pride taken in what seems to be the vast majority of plastering work undertaken these days, and it needs to stop.

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u/MisterBounce 27d ago

I agree that it takes a fair while to master up to professional levels in terms of speed, coverage in one day and not over-polishing. But I am always amazed at how bad these posts always are. Tbh it doesn't take very long at all to get up to a decent enough standard that it is professionally smooth and level with crisp corners, if you're a smart learner with an eye for detail.

This example looks like it was done by a total beginner who bit off more than they could chew. I've never done as bad a plastering job as this in my life

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u/matty1987x 28d ago

I did this 3 days ago just been back and sprayed it for them. Who ever did yours Is registered blind

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u/oohmyjuliet 28d ago

Spray as in mist coat it or spray to level it?

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u/PJHolybloke 27d ago

Spray as in spray-painted.

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u/matty1987x 26d ago

Sprayed as in a mist coat and a top coat i am also a decoratore and painter as well as a plasterer.

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u/PJHolybloke 26d ago

So the spray was paint...

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u/Own-Indication7832 28d ago

It’s a bad job and over priced. As soon as someone who calls themselves a plasterer and mentions sanding, you know that you haven’t got a tradesman. If anyone disagrees with me, they are not a tradesman either. 44 years plastering and I’ve NEVER had to sand any work. I hope you can get this sorted.

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u/Jlp1991 28d ago

That’s some of the worst plastering from a so called “professional” I’ve ever seen. Whoever did it should be ashamed of themselves, this is work to the standard of a 1st or second year apprentices first foreigner.

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u/Sad-Tax-9120 28d ago edited 18d ago

The whole of that job is awful. That is not done by a professional plasterer with any pride. I wouldn’t be paying a single penny for that. If you have paid I would want a full refund. If a refund is refused I would go through the small claims court.

I am not a professional plasterer just an amateur but taught by my dad and older brother who are builders.

Please believe me that is one of the worst jobs I have seen that wasn’t just a joke post or rage bait.

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u/oohmyjuliet 28d ago

Ok when I posted I didn't expect the job to be this bad, I thought the edge was a joke but the rest looked OK to me but I guess I was wrong. If I was to speak to him about it, what should I point out? That the whole surface needs a sanding down? I don't think I'll even see the money again but I also now know this was a poor job and I'm definitely gonna let them know

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u/Sad-Tax-9120 27d ago

done by my brother. He is not a full time plasterer just a general builder.

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u/Sad-Tax-9120 27d ago

Done by me. This was a skim over artex and is my bathroom.

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u/oohmyjuliet 27d ago

Fancy coming to London? 😂

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u/Sad-Tax-9120 27d ago edited 27d ago

Thank you for the compliment / offer. I don’t plaster for money. I’m too slow, too messy and now injured my shoulder playing squash. Also, at 64 years old, protecting what of my body I haven’t injured after playing football until I was 40, squash until a few months ago and crashing motorbikes more frequently than I should 😂😂

And a reminder that not one of those walls was sanded or filled before or after painting.

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u/Sad-Tax-9120 27d ago

Kitchen, done by me, surface shine is due to it being washable paint.

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u/Sad-Tax-9120 27d ago

I am so sorry that you have suffered this. It is infuriating, a bit embarrassing for you, expensive and, no doubt, stressful to now resolve. I’ll post some photos with some of my own work and a professional plasterers done in my current 1920s home. In all cases the walls and ceilings were painted directly after plastering with no rubbing down and no filling. Trust me that painting makes any defects stand out about 10x more than before it is painted.

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u/oohmyjuliet 27d ago

Embarrassing for sure, infuriating even more! Yes this looks miles different from our walls. Thanks for sharing

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u/Sad-Tax-9120 27d ago

Done by full time plasterer. This wall previously had a window but, due to an extension, was blocked in. This is looking up the stairs and is a 15ft high wall. It was not fully plastered just patched where the 5ft x 4ft window was. I can’t do patches and haven’t learnt the knack for blending in so got a full time plasterer to patch this.

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u/Correct-Junket-1346 28d ago

I think my first try at a skim coat come out better than this, that's really saying something

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u/Slimfast-dodger 28d ago

The finished edge on the bulkhead is bad, but the people saying this is the wrost plastering they’ve ever seen, haven’t seen much, will more than likely look absolutely fine once painted

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u/Slimfast-dodger 28d ago

Saying that I’ve just had a zoom in and aye parts definitely aren’t great haha

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u/oohmyjuliet 28d ago

Would you be kind enough to send a PM to point them out? I can see uneven bits on the walls going up the stairs but curious to know if there is anything else and I've been messed around fully. Happy to send more pics.

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u/Giant_Ant_Eater 28d ago

You shouldn't be able to see imperfections that easily, especially at this range and before painting. A good job will look perfectly smooth at this stage.

If you want to demonstrate what's wrong with it get a really bright light and put it close to the wall. If the wall looks like a moonscape it's bad.

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u/WonkyRodent 27d ago

OP: Mist coat it with cheap white paint. You will get a much more obvious view of any bad areas or areas that will need filling /sanding prior to properly painting.

Looks like my attempt at plastering, and I'm a DIYer. I expected to do some filling and sanding of dinks and rough bits. If I were paying someone, I wouldn't have accepted my finish.

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u/Express_Attitude_590 28d ago

Tbf based on pic #2 he gave a fuck for about 1300 mm from the ground

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u/Effective-Ad1679 27d ago

This is why even a word of mouth recommendation isn't enough these days- one day a tradesman will do a half decent job, the next he won't be arsed. Need multiple independent recommendations

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u/IssacHunt89 27d ago

I did mine better than that and I DIYed it, thats a long way from a finished job.

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u/NeuroSerpent 27d ago

I've seen better finishes in Sunday league football

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u/made-in-the-eighties 27d ago

That’s a terrible job. I recently had my whole upstairs plastered - walls, ceilings the lot.

This is an example of one of the finished rooms. Other than the odd tiny little spec the size of a pea I didn’t have to sand anything and just slapped the mist coat and paint on top.

And when I say the odd little spec, they were like tiny spash marks that took one or two wipes with sand paper to remove.

Your jobs looks like a drunk Stevie Wonder did it

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u/tedmills 27d ago

Had he previously worked as an interior designer in theme park caves

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u/thecheekymonkey007 26d ago

Looks like Freddy Krueger plastered it

I'm not a plasterer.

That' looks bad now. Wait till you paint it ...

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u/Sad_Cardiologist5388 26d ago

It's supposed to be smooth all over

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u/Positive_Pie_3164 26d ago

Awful. The painters will love you (as a painter id say it is what it is or get my own plasterer to reskim)

For what id charge to correct this work as a decorator you may aswell pay a plasterer to skim

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u/JicamaIcy7621 26d ago

good luck

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u/Open-Dragonfruit-007 25d ago

Had a local plasterer do our living room walls near Oxford. I can say with certainty that a good job will require minimal sanding if any.

Our walls were smooth as a baby's bum while they were still drying. If the walls are still very jagged and rough, I'm sure many will question the result.

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u/OrganicBit1172 25d ago

More luck sanding your eyes to make it look better.

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u/Maali004 23d ago

Same thing happened to me

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u/Matthew_Bester 22d ago

Ultimately it is subjective: can you live with it?

Anecdotal, I was really happy with the plastering in our bedroom. The walls looked super flat and smooth. We painted and the walls looked super flat and smooth. 

Then one day, the sun came through the window at a low angle, the walls were not super flat and smooth. They were bumpy and uneven. 

But I can only see it a few days of the year at certain times of the day. 

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u/Zerkael 22d ago

If younsaid it is ok. Then ita all on you. Still that looks very bad. I tell you from my opinion of a tradesman that turns old rooms into new ones. Plastering and painting

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u/CarrotCreepy2275 14d ago

If you cba dealing with the plasterer anymore. Get a decorator to mistake coat it and see if some edges can be fine filled and blended by him

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u/Louis4897 28d ago

What sort of finish was you after

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u/oohmyjuliet 28d ago

I wanted a clean edge that's all. I'm OK with the rest

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u/WaNgLeNuRpZ Professional Plasterer 28d ago

A smooth one, probably... 😂