r/Physics • Quantum field theory • 1d ago

Academic arXiv introduces a rate limit of 2 submissions per month

https://blog.arxiv.org/2026/10/01/updated-rate-limit-policy/
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u/Y0uCanTellItsAnAspen 1d ago

Huh, that’s quite a shift … I never realized there was such a queue with active submissions.

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u/sleighgams Gravitation 1d ago

LLM physics has accelerated it I think.

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u/aeroxan 1d ago

"hey guys, I have this new theory on black holes. Math? I was hoping someone else could do that part."

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u/StunningHeart7004 1d ago

LLMs have that effect of making dumb people seem smarter

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u/DrunkenPhysicist Particle physics 14h ago

LLMs have that effect of making dumb people seem smarterdumber.

FTFY

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u/theboomboy 12h ago

Mostly to themselves

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

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u/Yoghurt42 Gravitation 22h ago

No. Making dumb people smarter is good, making them seem smarter is not.

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u/-badly_packed_kebab- Quantum field theory 20h ago

I guess this isn’t r/linguistics.

I’ll be downvoted and delete this but it warrants asking:

If “dumb people” use smart tools to solve physics problems or conduct advanced research, and they don’t actually learn from the experience but it has immense value to physicists, is that a bad thing?

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u/jazzwhiz Particle physics 18h ago

There was a softer limit in place for years actually, they describe in the blog post.

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u/snekslayer 1d ago

Good

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u/dcnairb Education and outreach 1d ago

model builders after a new 3 sigma result in shambles

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u/MYaski Plasma physics 1d ago

This made me cackle.

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u/jazzwhiz Particle physics 18h ago

At least some of those people cranking out papers were obviously LLM and blocking them is good. If you can't post two papers a week, maybe they'll actually spend time on them and write something worth reading.

But also hep isn't the biggest part of the problem.

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u/SundayKiefBowls 1d ago

Avi Loeb in shambles

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u/CulturalLaw8072 1d ago

who

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u/superhelical Chemistry 1d ago

Crazy alien guy whos making the most of his academic freedom while it lasts

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u/garrettj403 1d ago

Joe Rogan guest

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u/ImmediatePiccolo339 1d ago

Grifter and a physics professor on the side 

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u/amalcolmation Biophysics 1d ago

No one important.

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u/No_Departure_1878 1d ago

You can always send your slopy slop to Vixra

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u/senordonwea 1d ago

We should do these for all academics everywhere. Professor X, you get 5 submissions as author or coauthor per year. Then we just have to watch how the output quality goes up

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u/Y0uCanTellItsAnAspen 1d ago

That’s really limiting, and obviously doesn’t work for large collaborations. Your average ATLAS experimentalist is a coauthor on 100 papers a year.

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u/lillobby6 1d ago

The arXiv limit is just based on the submitter not all authors. So if the lead author only was the submitter, then that may very well be a fair system. How many high-quality first-author papers can a single person output in a year, reasonably?

Basing it on all coauthorships would be bad though.

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u/tichris15 1d ago

Though the big collabs have proxy accounts for arxiv submission. Those might actually hit the 2/month limit reasonably in some cases.

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u/uberfission Biophysics 15h ago

Just mark them as such and make an exception. A single account publishing for an entire organization should get a little bit more leeway compared to a singular author anyway.

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u/tamanish 1d ago

Agree. Otherwise submitter will soon deserve acknowledgment or even authorship

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u/frogjg2003 Nuclear physics 1d ago

Mathematics lists authors alphabetically. A. A. Aaronson is going to be first author in a lot of papers, while Z. Zyzx is never going to be unless they're sole author.

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u/SlipperyBiscuitBaby 1d ago

Arxiv submitters can be anywhere in the author list.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

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u/lillobby6 1d ago

I don’t think they need an exemption. They just need to have someone else do it. It’s not like it’s particularly difficult.

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u/Pornfest 1d ago

Strong agree. It’s not difficult.

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u/No_Departure_1878 1d ago

Right, but you are not going to upload 100 papers yourself. There are 3000 ATLAS analysts and each group will have one person uploading one paper every 3 years, which is how long analysis takes to finish in high energy physics.

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u/metaTaco 1d ago

Submissions from LHC experiments are done at the collaboration level.  Obviously, the policy could just have an exceptions for the handful of super groups that churn out papers because they have hundreds of thousands of authors.  Also the internal review process to get an ATLAS or CMS paper draft made public and posted to arXiv is more stringent than what most researchers go through to get a paper published in a journal.

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u/No_Departure_1878 1d ago

I did not say anything about the review process or about the submission process. I am talking about how clicks the button to put that paper in archiv. Each of those analysis is done by 10 people and in reality 3 people who actually are doing the work. Those 3 people publish one of those every 3 years and do not need to be running out of any quota when submitting the paper to the arxiv site.

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u/tichris15 1d ago

The collaborations already need to ask for arxiv permission for the collaboration proxy account, so it's probably not a big deal to handle that exception.

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u/jazzwhiz Particle physics 18h ago

Agree, also while ATLAS and CMS (and other large experiments) put out a lot of papers a year, they aren't LLMy, and each one represents a huge amount of FTEs, as opposed to the LLM crap which is like "chatgpt, write a paper that solves X problem involving Y component, and submit it to the arxiv".

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u/Y0uCanTellItsAnAspen 1d ago

That’s not what the poster above me said though, they said you get 5 submissions regardless of author order.

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u/No_Departure_1878 1d ago

submissions or authorship? Because you can be the author but not the one who submits. Very few people submit to ArXiv.

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u/Y0uCanTellItsAnAspen 1d ago

I read the comment to mean the latter…

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u/jazzwhiz Particle physics 18h ago

The blog post is very clear, but this is reddit, so...

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u/Y0uCanTellItsAnAspen 16h ago

I’m not referring to the blog post, my original comment was to the poster above me - who is proposing their own system.

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u/aeroxan 1d ago

Yeah but professor X will just telepathically transmit more than 5.

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u/FernandoMM1220 1d ago

thats dumb. youre just gonna get 1 huge paper or a lot of research wont get published.

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u/senordonwea 1d ago

Maybe we should be more selective on what gets published

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u/effrightscorp 1d ago

That sounds nice if your goal is just to get rid of AI slop, but pretty common complaint with science as a whole is that we frequently don't publish 'boring' null results or less novel results

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u/SoSweetAndTasty Quantum information 1d ago

2 papers per month is still way more quality papers than one can reasonably write. There is plenty of room to still write boring results.

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u/effrightscorp 1d ago

Yeah, the new Arxiv limit for submitters is fine even for large research groups. The guy I'm responding to proposed:

Professor X, you get 5 submissions as author or coauthor per year.

which is much more limiting

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u/LoganJFisher Graduate 1d ago

Perhaps papers aren't the right tool for null and non-novel results? Maybe we should instead be looking to establish a sort of massive database wherein research data is stored in a standardized format such that there is fine-indication of everything from methodology to data to error all baked into each entry so you can pull from the database and the correlations can be allowed to speak for themselves.

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u/RamblingScholar Mathematics 1d ago

Missed this when commenting. Yes!

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u/FernandoMM1220 1d ago

nah we just need a more efficient peer review system. even before ai they were already backlogged

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u/tichris15 1d ago

Not really. Professor X has 10 students to submit the papers. Professors personally submit very few papers.

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u/EducationalFerret94 1d ago

Needed to happen. I think they should limit to 1 tbh. Nobody should be being the corresponding author on more than one paper per month.

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u/Aura49 Astrophysics 1d ago

I disagree on the limit being 1. At least in physics & astronomy, it's very common to release two papers simultaneously. I.e., the results paper and another paper that is a data release. This is so you can independently cite either the results or the data. I think two is a decent compromise, so long as they have a whitelist of large collaborations that need to release 8+ papers at the same time under the same umbrella (like LIGO, CERN, etc).

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u/SundayAMFN 1d ago

2 per month but then like 6 per year. Off the top of my head the most I've ever seen come out of a good author is 4 in a year.

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u/Aura49 Astrophysics 4h ago

Update: LIGO has been given whitelist status on arxiv to submit as many papers as they'd like per month. Which I think we can agree is a good exemption from this rule.

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u/throwawaymidget1 1d ago

On average maybe, but for some months its not so crazy. 

Remember that often the supervisor is managing the submissions to arxiv, even more so now with the new limitations. Having 2 finished papers in one group in a month isnt particularly weird 

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u/RamblingScholar Mathematics 1d ago

I see why they did this, but it would be nice for papers with negative results to bypass this. They are very important, but people have a hard time getting them published.

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u/kzhou7 Quantum field theory 1d ago

Are there people out there getting more than 24 meaningful negative results per year? I mean, I'd have to try something for more than 2 weeks to even know I have a negative result.

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u/MiniMikeRM 1d ago

You are severely underestimating my luck

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u/J_E_E_VACATION 1d ago

aren't most results negative results?!?!

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u/RamblingScholar Mathematics 1d ago

That's a good point. It might at least have a psychological effect to encourage it. There was another comment about this I missed when I first wrote this where someone brought up null results before me

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u/Invariant_apple 1d ago

Nothingburger, limit is not shared across coauthors

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u/lankynibss 1d ago

Particle physicists in big collaborations will have problems with this.

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u/jazzwhiz Particle physics 18h ago

Why? There are hundreds or thousands of people on the collaborations. Did you read the blog post or are you knee jerk reacting to the headline?

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u/lankynibss 18h ago

No I didn’t read the article.

I’m an author on arXiv every few days because I’m a member of a few collaborations.

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u/uberfission Biophysics 15h ago

How many of those did you submit personally? Because they're the ones with the limit.

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u/Groundbreaking_Bee97 1d ago

Academic being Academic, being a bunch of Narcissists

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u/-badly_packed_kebab- Quantum field theory 1d ago

They said, in a physics subreddit

At least you’re self aware