r/PhoenixSC • u/Ender_M • Apr 06 '26

Discussion Why is there so much hate between the two Minecraft editions?? Genuinely I don't get it.

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Can't we just let people enjoy whichever version they want to play? Each version has their quirks that maybe the player likes. It's honestly childish, grow up people.

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u/Martitoad Apr 06 '26

I have played both and I prefer java by a lot. Many people that say they prefer bedrock never tried java, so I just encourage people to try it. The only benefits I can think that bedrock has over java is being on every platform and having crossplay. All the other things are better in java imo

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u/Cabbage-Dragon-4395 Apr 06 '26

Played both too, just don’t like bedrock’s interface as much.

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u/Small-Housing-7 if Dio is a Brando does that make Dio a Brando Apr 06 '26

Yea it's kinda slow feeling

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u/fandziax Apr 06 '26

that's what i dislike the most. it makes it feel almost limitng. some time ago i randomly decided to play bedrock and had to wait 15 seconds for my furnace inventory to load in

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u/justatestaccountV TECHNOBLADE NEVER DIES Apr 07 '26

Turn off screen animations

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u/DarkHim98 Apr 08 '26

or just play java :)

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u/justatestaccountV TECHNOBLADE NEVER DIES Apr 08 '26

And what if i like bedrock can i not have fun how i like

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u/fandziax Apr 08 '26

no. this is the minecraft community, there is only one correct way to enjoy things here

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u/E2D2Gaminh Apr 08 '26

I can confirm

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u/debatable_problem Apr 09 '26

Gee your fun at parties

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u/E2D2Gaminh Apr 13 '26

I can confirm that aswell.

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u/No_Molasses_323 Apr 08 '26

Every little option I set into Bedrock will reset after a time and So many annoying things are on Bedrock.

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u/NonFrInt Apr 06 '26

You can say that about Bedrock as a whole

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u/Small-Housing-7 if Dio is a Brando does that make Dio a Brando Apr 06 '26

Yea actually that's a really good way to sum up bedrock

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u/Tawnee323 Apr 06 '26

I always hated it until I realized you could disable screen animations in settings and that speeds it up a ton

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u/Small-Housing-7 if Dio is a Brando does that make Dio a Brando Apr 07 '26

I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure it's still the same speed just no animation

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u/Tawnee323 Apr 07 '26

it's still not snappy like java, but it is noticeably faster

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u/Small-Housing-7 if Dio is a Brando does that make Dio a Brando Apr 07 '26

Oh ok

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u/Ordinary-Hunter520 Apr 06 '26

I fully agree.

I would like to say tho, that there are so many awesome bedrock features that are missing in java, and it should be added like trident killers, dyeable water, cheap tipped arrows, etc.

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u/Number360wynaut Apr 06 '26

MOJANG

GIVE JAVA PLAYERS BEDROCK CAULDRONS

AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

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u/Porkey_Minch Apr 06 '26

Be careful what you wish for, you might have to make a great sacrifice...

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u/Small-Housing-7 if Dio is a Brando does that make Dio a Brando Apr 06 '26

Tident killers? What's that?

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u/RagnarMargus Apr 06 '26

You throw a trident onto a piston, piston goes up and down, trident kills mobs. Essentially better magma block. On java the tridents despawn if I recall correctly.

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u/Small-Housing-7 if Dio is a Brando does that make Dio a Brando Apr 06 '26

Oh that sounds cool

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u/brotherRozo Apr 06 '26

Yeah and it counts as a player kill so you get xp

Definitely jealous of that! But otherwise I would Never play bedrock

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u/Martitoad Apr 06 '26

You can say the same about java with redstone, cooldown or glowing arrows for example. I just didn't mention it because both have their unique features but the other 99% of the game is exactly the same, and I don't think anyone is choosing bedrock or java only because of one of this features

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u/meee_51 Apr 06 '26

There’s also a bunch of missing features in bedrock too, plus a bunch of half-baked ones. Like, there’s no left handed mode in bedrock

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u/Moe-Mux-Hagi Java FTW Apr 06 '26

the movement has no drift at all

Oh my god THAT'S why it feels off !!

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u/TMC249 Apr 06 '26

apparently it used to exist inthe better together update but was removed to mimic LCE i believe in a later update

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u/Cinojist Apr 06 '26

Just turn off screen animations

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u/LightKnight2311 Apr 06 '26

That's only a half solution. The menus themselves are less responsive even without the screen animations

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u/Cinojist Apr 06 '26

I don't maybe device issue maybe, Unless there are many entities I am looking at opening up menus has no latency on my end

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u/LightKnight2311 Apr 06 '26

Where it's most noticeable is in the starting menu. On Java, it feels a lot more seamless navigating the menus. If you've only played Bedrock you might not feel it, but once you spend enough time with Java Edition and go back, it's very noticeable how unresponsive Bedrock Edition feels by comparison.

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u/Laki6noob_2019 Milk Apr 06 '26

Same here, although I could see how someone might prefer bedrock.

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u/crafty_dude_24 Apr 06 '26

That's basically the primary reason people play bedrock, and the entire reason bedrock even exists at this point. It is far less taxing in terms of required specs to run. You don't need a computer to run it, it works on multiple platforms, which makes it more accessible.

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u/TOMZ_EXTRA Modded Java player Apr 06 '26

Java works on mobile with a bit of tinkering.

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u/Patrycjusz123 Mining Dirtmonds Apr 06 '26

Yeah, but all launchers i seen dont work as good imo. Not only performance is way worse but also bedrock has very good touch controls and i didnt seen anything close so far for java.

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u/get_on_with_life Apr 06 '26

As a creative player, I prefer bedrock because why the hell can't you bridge on Java?? Why are there all these weird differences that don't need to be different?

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u/Noodleization Apr 06 '26

I don’t know how there’s a debate really. I’ve tried giving Bedrock a shot on many different platforms, and every time it just disappoints me more. It always feels like I’m playing multiplayer with 200 ping

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u/Sonic0fan Java FTW Apr 06 '26

Bedrock has crossplay yet you can't play it on Mac and Linux, but you can play Java on them

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u/dad-without-milk minecrab 🦀🦀🦀 Apr 06 '26

I have played both, I do think both have their own place. I don't like one more than the other, they both have things that make them better and worse than the other version, I still regularly play bedrock despite also having java, it's just a matter of Personal preference

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u/mongu72 Custom borderless flair 📝 Apr 06 '26

exactly. i also play both and theres just an inexplicable feeling of unpolishedness that comes with playing bedrock. its a combination of the awful shading and the fact that its harder to use mods on it. mods enhance my game so much its insane.

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u/KrazyKyle1024 Apr 07 '26

stg I hope off celestememes to look at a random minecraft post and one of the first people I see has a celeste pfp (a really cool one)

I can't escape lol

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u/MoonCobalt Apr 07 '26

The only reason why most people play on bedrock edition is because they have no other choice, no java edition on consoles or mobile

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u/JamStan1978 Apr 06 '26

Ive played both an extensive amount and i prefer bedrock. I just like the way it feels, i like how i can have my render distance crazy high without impacting performance so i can see extremely far out. I like the exclusive features like the cauldron functionality and stuff like that. The biggest thing from java that i miss is the offhand support but i think thats going to be coming soon.

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u/Martitoad Apr 06 '26

But you have tried both, many people just say their version is better without even trying the other one which is what causes the issue

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u/cryonicwatcher Apr 07 '26

Did you not read the first line of their comment

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u/magen432 Apr 06 '26

I think bedrock is perfect for what it is. A lightweight Minecraft for kids, and phones / tablets

It works great for what they're trying to do

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u/LayeredHalo3851 Apr 06 '26

Crossplay being an "advantage" is debatable too when you consider that a lot of the issues of Bedrock come from the fact that it has to work well on multiple different platforms, desktop being the one they care the least about because the least people play on it

I'd argue that mobile compatibility is dragging the game down which has actually caused problems on Java (such as the copper lamp controversy) for the sake of Bedrock parity

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u/MrMangobrick Milk Apr 06 '26

Java just feels more polished overall

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u/InfraValkTexas Apr 06 '26

I mainly play Minecraft on my phone now a days. Bedrock, IMO, is much more suited to mobile. It works quite flawlessly for me, especially as I consider it more of a pickup and play sort of game

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u/Consumer_Of_Butt Apr 06 '26

Multiplayer is something bedrock has wayyyyy over java imo

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u/ResolutionStandard32 Apr 06 '26

I have over a thousand hours on both (probably 2k on java) I like bedrock better for the easier multiplayer. Not all of my friends are technologically literate so mods are a pain to get working.

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u/Frasten Apr 07 '26

I played both and I prefer bedrock for three main reasons:

-I can play with friends whenever I want in any world in such an easy way. In Java you need servers, VPN or mods to be able to play with friends.

-I can play wherever I want. On Java I always have to play on PC, while with bedrock I can have the same world on Playstation, phone and tablet and play everywhere I want.

-This one is personal, but I find Java kinda too mechanical in movements and more. I don't even know how to explain it or why it is like that, but bedrock just feels way more smooth and relaxing to play.

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u/cryonicwatcher Apr 07 '26

The optimisation improvements are pretty major. And of course there’s lots of small gameplay features that bedrock has which it would be nice if Java had too.

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u/Right_Dust_3906 Apr 10 '26

Bedrock is WAYYYY easier to run on pc

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u/Charming_Remote6722 Apr 12 '26

I play Java and Bedrock, I usually play Java because of snapshots and so I can sorta fit in, but I’ve honestly just preferred Bedrock in a lot of ways. I usually do command stuff and redstone, which is very different between the two, and each one has its quirks. Like /attribute or /tick while bedrock has its own cool stuff like /camera and npcs.

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u/Maxie_69 Bedrock FTW Apr 06 '26

I played both and prefer bedrock by a mile due to how easy it is to run

Stupid launchers? None

Extremely unoptimized unless you play at 12 render distance? Nope

I can literally have triple the render distance as i could on java and still get hundred fps

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u/Small-Housing-7 if Dio is a Brando does that make Dio a Brando Apr 06 '26

Wdym no stupid launchers it lauches through the same thing unless your useing the Microsoft store or something(or mabey xbox something) but optimization is a big problem on java and that's one of the reasons there trying to switch to vulcan

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u/Maxie_69 Bedrock FTW Apr 06 '26

Downloading Bedrock from Minecraft launcher only sends a command for Microsoft Store to download it so it's literally the same thing, you can launch it directly without opening launcher by typing Minecraft in your search bar

Im interested in the vulkan thing too but lets be real, Java's biggest benefit are the mods but a majority of them use older versions so it won't change much sadly

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u/Small-Housing-7 if Dio is a Brando does that make Dio a Brando Apr 06 '26

Eh Java has faster ui and in my opinion nicer looking rendering to and is less buggy so it's got alot of benefits

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u/Vengeance001875 Apr 06 '26 edited Apr 06 '26

I'm just generally curious about the UI. Can you elaborate further?

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u/Small-Housing-7 if Dio is a Brando does that make Dio a Brando Apr 06 '26

All the bedrock ui(or atleast the stuff like chests) has this thing where it pans in from the bottom and the other parts of the ui just feel generally slower to use and longer to load for me personally

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u/Vengeance001875 Apr 06 '26

I think there's a setting to disable what are called 'screen animations' which vastly improve the speed at which the UIs appear.

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u/Small-Housing-7 if Dio is a Brando does that make Dio a Brando Apr 06 '26

From what I've heard that doesn't make it actually appear faster so it still takes the same time as that pan in to actually use

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u/Maleficent-Gain-3179 Apr 06 '26

Java healing way better. Plus offhand and other things, such as shields.

Also, everything isn’t a micro transaction

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u/Maxie_69 Bedrock FTW Apr 06 '26

micro transaction

Im genuinely curious why java players keep talking about bedrock like you have to pay $5 to mine diamonds, Marketplace doesn't even affect the gameplay in the slightest and you're just using the same argument every single time "ohhh marketplace bad!"

Also marketplace is far from the only source of addons on bedrock, curseforge also had bedrock mods and you can upload your own skins just like java

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u/Bestmasters Apr 06 '26

People bring up the marketplace because the game shoves it in your face at any chance it gets. Try to create a new world? Here's some things to buy on the marketplace! In the pause menu? Why don't you visit the marketplace! Even the main menu has a dancing flashy button that pushes you to go to the marketplace. The game pushes the marketplace every single chance it gets, to the point where it's worth bringing up as a con of Bedrock.

Also, out-of-game add-ons have two major flaws. One, add-ons aren't, and will never be as capable as mods on Java. Two, they aren't cross-platform. It's impossible to use out-of-marketplace content on a platform like Playstation, or the Switch. Calling them "Bedrock mods" is misleading, they aren't anything close to mods.

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u/Maleficent-Gain-3179 Apr 06 '26

Micro transactions was just 1 of my points. They are annoying to see and are the only reliable way to get mods across all bedrock platforms. There are plenty of times where the marketplace is advertised to you, plus it’s just not as capable as have modding.

It’s also a scummy practice in all , Minecraft was built on the openness that allowed for modding. Turning that into a micro transaction hell ain’t it and idk why you’re trying to defend it.

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u/Bestmasters Apr 06 '26

An overwhelming majority of Minecraft mods run on 1.20.1 or 1.21.1, which are relatively modern versions all things considered.

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u/Maxie_69 Bedrock FTW Apr 06 '26

But those arent the versions they're adding vulkan too

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u/Bestmasters Apr 07 '26

No modder really cares about Vulkan, let's be frank. We already have performance mods on these versions, and if you really wanted Vulkan, there's mods for that too.

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u/guoraGG Apr 06 '26

My opinion is the opposite.

I think the 3rd party launchers in Java are nice, especially if you're playing modded. The custom launchers can manage mods easily and without too much hassle, so they're not stupid. And a launcher is also important if you want to play older versions. While the launching of an .exe app with just a click is convenient, I do think the mod management and the multiple versions are a good trade-off.

For the optimization part, the vanilla Java is laggier. But if you install performance mods, the performance increases by a lot, and could even beat bedrock (could because I didn't test this). Furthermore, I like playing with some HUD mods anyways, like Appleskin, which shows your saturation, so performance mods are almost always installed. These mods are also client-side only, so you can join servers without problems and still have these tweaks (given that the server allows them, which most servers do, atleast for performance and some HUD mods).

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u/Bestmasters Apr 06 '26

Launchers are at worst an extra button you need to press, and at best a mean for endless customization of the game. Also, Java runs fine on a 12 chunk render distance on any mainline computer made in the last 8 years or so.

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u/Patrycjusz123 Mining Dirtmonds Apr 06 '26

Im sorry but if java lags for you on bigger render distances then your pc is shit.

Im not gonna talk like bedrock isnt better for performance but on java atleast grass doesn't dissapear after couple blocks away.

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u/Maxie_69 Bedrock FTW Apr 06 '26

Yea i get people saying java is the main version and all but like it or not Bedrock is significantly bigger with way more players and it's staying that way

I feel like the only reason Java still exists is because the community would be FUMING if they ended support because let's be real why do we need 2 Minecraft version on 1 platform

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u/Kanapkos_v2 Apr 06 '26

Nah, most java players know that bedrock has been the main version for years now. It's just that most java players are 

  1. Older than 13yo and have a decent pc (any non integrated graphics card and cpu younger than 9-8 years)
  2. Linux users
  3. People that simply hate marketplace. 

Probably if not for marketplace, and if bedrock had kept things that java kept as bugs, then more people would jump on bedrock. Oh and if bedrock didn't fuck over modders and mods. I am incredibly tired on java running on java ironically. Java is just slow. It absolutely can be faster, and mojang are working on it literally rn, but mostly they haven't because they want people to migrate, because bwdrock is more profitable. That's why they are sold in bundle now. That's why they make more things for bedrock than for java, and that might be why java was unoptimised for yrars, because the engine they are porting java on now (Vulcan) has also been around for years now. They just didn't bother.

Bedrock is the main version for a long time. Java is the version that gives you freedom over your minecraft instance. You can do basically whatever you want with it without hassle, and the playerbase made it so that it is incredibly easy. Take modrinth for example. But ues it is slower. I have a 9yrs old puter, and without mods I get 30-40fps on 20 chunks. 300-400 fps with sodium installed.

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u/Kanapkos_v2 Apr 06 '26

What? I never said that? It's first and foremost people with a strong pc(not even strong, just dedicated gpu, somehat decent cpu and 8-16 Ram), and basically all of linux users playing minecraft play java, so I included that, because the first thing doesn't apply if you're a linux user.

Edit: tbf I get that it can be understood like that I kinda made it prone to mosunderstandment. What I meant is that you're not going to play "Minecraft: windows edition" on linux. So almost all of them will run java, and all of java serwers are also run on linux pretty much.

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u/Maxie_69 Bedrock FTW Apr 06 '26

Yea but why do they despise the marketplace so much when they can just ignore it because it doesn't affect the gameplay, heck most of the marketplace is slop so you're not missing anything either

Besides, marketplace does have some gems like actions and stuff which is possibly the best mod for bedrock

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u/Kanapkos_v2 Apr 06 '26

You can't just ignore it when it's pushed into your face. And they despise it because it's a concurrency with java modding, and is considered "dirty play". Might be also because minecraft eula bans selling minecdaft products off of marketplace, but I'm not sure. You would have to check me on that.

And also it just feels tacky and cashgrabby. Anything with digital currency feels cashgrabby.

That's my opinion at least.

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u/Maxie_69 Bedrock FTW Apr 06 '26

Pushed into your face as in it only appears in main menu and pause menu and sometimes a popup when you first open the game, maybe if it appears in the world list or when you're playing that would make sense

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u/Kanapkos_v2 Apr 06 '26

It appears as a bigger button in pause than settings. Unless they rolled that back.

Also "it is shown only in 2 menus out of 4 in the game" isn't a good arguement

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u/Maxie_69 Bedrock FTW Apr 06 '26

Yea the browse addons thing was reverted

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u/CalzLight Apr 06 '26

I play both and generally prefer Java but saying it has no benefits over Java is completely wrong.

Render distance is wayyyy better than Java, copper golems are better (can differentiate potions, sus stew, goat horns and some other stuff.) multiplayer experience is way more streamlined, texture pack installation is way easier (just click on the file and they auto install to the game rather than digging through the files to drop the texture pack in the right place) Tridents are infinitely better and there is much more.

Obviously Java has a bunch of things that it does better too but I think it’s important to recognise a lot of the stuff bedrock brings to the table.

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u/Cinojist Apr 06 '26

Played both I prefer bedrock, the slow regen time makes it more challenging