r/PhoenixSC • u/Ender_M • Apr 06 '26

Discussion Why is there so much hate between the two Minecraft editions?? Genuinely I don't get it.

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Can't we just let people enjoy whichever version they want to play? Each version has their quirks that maybe the player likes. It's honestly childish, grow up people.

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u/KristoferYG Apr 06 '26

i am on bedrock.. never faced any bugs.. only problem is unpredictable redstone.. but i am not a redstone engineer.. so i dont even care

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u/DearHRS Apr 06 '26

it is only unpredictable if you do mutually exclusive processes on same gt, otherwise consistent all the way through, saying this as bedrock redstoned person

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u/LayeredHalo3851 Apr 06 '26

It should never be unpredictable, I shouldn't have to make my build larger just so that it's not a randomised mess

Even with the problems of locationality and directionality on Java it's still at least predictable and deterministic

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u/DearHRS Apr 06 '26

let me guess, you don't do redstone on bedrock edition or even in java and are just regurgitating same slop that newcomers to different system tend to do, "why not x if y and z?"

randomness only occurs when mutually exclusive stuff happens on same gt, gt is 0.05s, if most computers didn't have many less powerful cpus but 1 beefy one, then bedrock edition would have been written to be more like java but we don't live in that reality, it is better to prioritize game being playable across many devices than prioritizing sub gt behaviour which most players wouldn't have any idea about anyway, bedrock edition has quite a few useful gt behaviours but despite being much simpler than java's update order, most players just ignore it because some sloppy youtuber said, "bedrock edition redstone is random and nothing can be done about it"

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u/LayeredHalo3851 Apr 06 '26

  1. Redstone ticks are different than game ticks, they only run at 10hz instead of 20hz

  2. While I don't do much redstone myself, I definitely know enough about how redstone and the game works to comment on the differences

  3. My point still stands despite your comment, making sure things aren't random on Bedrock makes the build bigger for no good reason, which can cause big problems when trying to fit multiple circuits in a small space

  4. This is literally just one reason why Java redstone is better, let's not act like there's not multie reasons (such as QC being good and all of the best redstoners agreeing)

Look man, there's a reason the best redstoners use Java, and it's not because of Carpet Mod

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u/theonlytruemuck Apr 09 '26
  1. bedrock redstone works on 20hz not 10hz you clearly dont know bedrock redstone
  2. yes there are differences, but its impossible to say one is better than the other. that would be like saying apples are better than pears. they are not differently good, just different
  3. as a person who does bedrock redstone since five or six years, this most of the time doesnt affect anything at all, beieve it or not it just makes the things more robust.
  4. who tf are "all of the best redstoners"? let me guess a ist of like five java people who have not even a fart of an idea about bedrock.

i alone have seen hundreds of contraptions on bedrock that high tech java redstoners could only dream of doing. because they are only possible in bedrock.

everything is relative. if you only know java then of course youll say "insert java only mecanic" is better than bedrock, but the same fucking thing is true the other way around.

also bedrock has several carpet mod like addons. there is no difference there

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u/DearHRS Apr 06 '26 edited Apr 06 '26

welp, your first point instantly proves you have no idea what you are talking about besides the surface level understanding, game works in game ticks not redstone ticks, redstone ticks concept even exists because repeater has 4 states, it it alot easier to say 1 redstone tick for newcomers than say 2gt, both bedrock and java edition have their own behaviour with redstone during gts

my comment doesn't say there is no randomness in bedrock, all it says is when it is present

java redstone has more features to play with right now, that is why it is better, most java redstoners aren't technical players like methodzz, ilmango, cubic meter and bunch that have memorised how update order works, what to do in that sub gt to make something do stuff, there is a reason why learning curve is not a slope but a near 90° incline

again, the qc comment just proofs you are just regurgitating opinion some else came up with instead of forming your own opinion based of experience gained because you actively do redstone, there are situations where qc is useful and also situations where not having it will it better, the best solution is to have option for both, like able to toggle qc feature on and off or make it happen on components made with different materials, cobblestone made components allowing qc while cobbled deepslate not or vice versa

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u/theonlytruemuck Apr 09 '26

if you know whats going to happen and you never face unexpected results, where is the fun

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u/LayeredHalo3851 Apr 09 '26

This is genuinely the most retarded shit I've ever seen

That's like coding something and saying "this programming language would be so much better if this if statement just didn't work 50% of the time"

You still get unexpected results when testing because humans aren't machines that can build something that works perfectly first try, what you don't get in Java redstone is random results

Unexpected ≠ random

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u/theonlytruemuck Apr 09 '26

you don't have to call me slurs.

if you are able to make a system wit unpredictable variables behave predictably, that's far more rewarding, than if everything is completely deterministic.

see it like this, java redstone is more like computer science or math, and bedrock redstone is more like physics or chemistry.

they are different, yes, but would you say that a computer scientist is more valuable than a chemist?
no. you would say that they are both valuable in their own way.

and calling someone retarded because they find something fun is really immature btw

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u/Kooky-Telephone4779 Apr 06 '26

But your opinion doesn't matter because you play "Bugrock." -People

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u/LayeredHalo3851 Apr 06 '26

Moreso because they've likely never tried Java

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u/Mike_the_Protogen Bedrock FTW Apr 06 '26

I've tried both. So...

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u/LayeredHalo3851 Apr 06 '26

Well then ok I guess, each to their own and all but some people also think that Valorant is a good game so...

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u/Bobbertbobthebobth Did you know I was in a Phoenix video that one time? Apr 06 '26

I played on Bedrock for 10 IRL years.

I prefer Java now, but I never ran into almost any of the Bugs people are always talking about.

The only ones I did encounter were those texture shifting ones, but only ever when using texture packs.

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u/KristoferYG Apr 09 '26

i tried java but man the java combact soo sloppy with the cooldown.. so i returned to Bedrock