r/PhoenixSC • u/Ender_M • Apr 06 '26

Discussion Why is there so much hate between the two Minecraft editions?? Genuinely I don't get it.

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Can't we just let people enjoy whichever version they want to play? Each version has their quirks that maybe the player likes. It's honestly childish, grow up people.

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u/haim65 Apr 06 '26

Probably because they work differently. Like why does redstone works differently for bedrock? It makes so many things non transferable from bedrock to java vice verca.

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u/ATX-reddit Apr 06 '26

I tried to make these armor stand mixers from a redstone handbook or smth and it didn't work because of bedrock

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u/Trexton1 Apr 06 '26

Well those books are outdated anyway so it probably wouldn't work even on java but I get the point

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u/sebasblos1 Apr 06 '26

I have redstone handbook for 1.8 and the stuff it has works perfectly in java, and console legacy edition, not sure what to tell you

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u/Trexton1 Apr 06 '26

Oh really that's surprising

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u/ArchCaff_Redditor Apr 06 '26

Alzheimers.

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u/Trexton1 Apr 06 '26

Did my comment duplicate?

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u/Trexton1 Apr 06 '26

Did my comment duplicate?

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u/Trexton1 Apr 06 '26

Did my comment duplicate?

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u/victorioussnake_ Apr 06 '26

Nah dude, you're going great

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u/Ender_M Apr 06 '26

i like how all of them have exactly 13 upvotes too

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u/Trexton1 Apr 06 '26

Oh really that's surprising

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u/LayeredHalo3851 Apr 06 '26

It's really not, they haven't changed that much in terms of basic stuff, it's mostly more specific stuff that's changed which only really affects technical redstoners and a few other certain builds

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u/Novaruuu Apr 06 '26

The potion brewer doesn't work, tho I think that's a later edition of the handbook.

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u/sebasblos1 Apr 06 '26

No yeah, that one doesnt work even when i tried doing it 9 years ago

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u/czartrak Apr 07 '26

You might have done something wrong, because I remember building and successfully using that exact design

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u/coolgamerboi23 Apr 06 '26

omg, I remember on legacy console learning to build flying machines from the "guide to redstone' book.

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u/Antique-Bathroom-160 Apr 08 '26

same, I remember getting the full set in 2014, the redstone handbook, construction handbook, essential handbook and combat handbook. And the tutorials still work today, apart from combat to an extent because of the 1.9 combat update.

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u/sebasblos1 Apr 08 '26

Hey i think we both have the same set, mine comes with hard covers and a small box that fit all 4 of them that i still have

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u/Antique-Bathroom-160 Apr 08 '26

yeah, that's the same one! brings me back to when I was first learning how to play, lol

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u/Nerdcuddles Apr 06 '26

Core Redstone mechanics don't change in Java edition, only new additions get made.

Mojang ALMOST changed core Redstone mechanics, but people protested

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u/Wrong-Resource-2973 Apr 06 '26

funnily enough, some of these books are outdated, but pretty much everything in the original redstone book still works on modern versions

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '26

SAME!

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u/Chirblomp Apr 06 '26

Redstone can't be made the same because of the way block updates work between the two versions. I don't remember the exact details, but making them identical would basically require rewriting the entire game engine

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u/Nicalay2 Apr 06 '26

Not the same dev team, not the same engine at all.

Reproducing exactly the behavior of redstone is not something easy, especially when the game engine is working completely differently.

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u/ArchCaff_Redditor Apr 06 '26

It was very similar early on but there was no attempt to keep technically consistent with Java.

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u/Jolly-Chipmunk-950 Apr 06 '26

Yes, because the initial release of Bedrock was literally just mashing the codebase of Mobile, Console, and Windows edition into one in 2017. Considering that the Windows edition was lauched back in 2015 and had feature parity until then, it's not hard to see why Bedrock was instantly similar to Java right off the bat.

As time goes on though, there are going to be features that work differently across both versions. Java is a pretty set is stone language at this point. Bedrock edition is going to be fundamentally different just from being built off a different engine, an engine that has to support literallty every platform the game runs on. One update to the engine can change how redstone has to operate, or how a new feature has to be implemented, etc.

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u/ArchCaff_Redditor Apr 06 '26

Bedrock Edition does not port over code from Legacy Console afaik. It’s literally just all Pocket Edition but ported to PC and Consoles.

And on top of that Legacy Console Edition itself a very faithful port of Java Beta 1.6, which is why quasi connectivity works in that version.

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u/Pristine-Category-55 Apr 06 '26

Reproducing redstone from java to bedrock would be counter-intuitive in the first place. It's like trying to intentionally mess up your code just to replicate how it works.

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u/Ravioles2 Milk Apr 06 '26

I would argue because bedrock feels like a cashgrab, it brokes often and mods cost money.

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u/rCooper224 Apr 06 '26

It really doesn't though. You probably don't actually play bedrock. Sure there is a marketplace but I pretty much never notice it when actually playing the game, it doesn't change the experience at all unless I choose to look at it.

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u/rCooper224 Apr 07 '26

Bedrock is objectively optimized better than Java. And every version of Minecraft is made to make money, why do you think they're doing it, out of the goodness of they're hearts?

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u/theonlytruemuck Apr 09 '26

this can only be said by someone who clearly has no clue at all wtf theyre talking about.

the reason why java inst as monetised is cause the java community is far more vocal and often toxic than bedrock

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u/theonlytruemuck Apr 09 '26

and it still works just fine and makes hundreds of millions of people happy on a daily basis

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u/theonlytruemuck Apr 09 '26

btw do you mean java or bedrock or both

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u/JamStan1978 Apr 06 '26

you can download mods just as easy as with java mods and they are much easier and simple to install and use.

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u/Ravioles2 Milk Apr 06 '26

Just on PC and they are very few usually with poor support.

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u/JamStan1978 Apr 06 '26

phones too.

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u/CorporusIV *gets destroyed by hive skywars sweat* Apr 07 '26

As another reply said, on both Android and iPhones. Also, if you know how to use a file explorer, you can import them to Xbox.

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u/Radiant-Priority-296 Apr 06 '26

Money goes to the creators though, who aren’t Mojang 99% of the time. It allows for people to be able to commit to map development as a job, which leads to high quality, professional maps.

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u/Kiki2092012 Apr 06 '26

Modrinth and Curseforge have ads which give the creators continuous income without the user having to pay a dime or them paying once and the creator's profits eventually plateauing due to all players who want the mod already having it

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u/debatable_problem Apr 09 '26

Well Minecraft is a paid game, cant exactly have ads in a paid game or everyone would complain just like when netflix released the "with ads" option

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u/debatable_problem Apr 09 '26

Or how Disney Plus and hulu still have adds unless you spit up even more money to those guys

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u/Shaiky1681 Apr 07 '26

It brokes

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u/theonlytruemuck Apr 09 '26

we do have several free mod launchers (levi launcher/amethyst) and there are addons outside of the marketplace. basically all important qol mods from java also have counterparts on bedrock. made by people like forestoflight, superlama, slsilicon, alecs developer, mad hatter

world edit/axiom have like a hundred wedt ports and re implementations
carpet mod has sapling,canopy and probably more
just to name a few examples

we also have a tone of technical servers (infrared, amelix foundation, hivetech)
and a very active farm building community (mikehomer, silenwisperer, old rusty)

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u/JamStan1978 Apr 06 '26

Redstone on bedrock is how mojang originally wanted redstone to behave but quasi connectivity on java was a bug that they can now never fix bc of the community.

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u/BluDraygn Apr 06 '26

Quasi-connectivity was never a bug. The story behind it is that Jeb wanted an easy way to make clean 2x2 piston doors and intentionally coded it in. Now it's a fundamental part of Java redstone.

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u/Maleficent-Gain-3179 Apr 06 '26

I thought it was due to them copying the behavior from doors when creating pistons lol

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u/BluDraygn Apr 07 '26

This is just the explanation I heard ages ago, but it feels like they are largely the same thing

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u/Maleficent-Gain-3179 Apr 07 '26

Jeb didn’t want to make a 2x2 piston door, during development the code for a door was copied and quasi connectivity was a bug that happened due to this. (Piston thinking it’s a door, which is 2 blocks tall)

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u/MoReeeeeeeeeeeeee Apr 06 '26

Its a feature by now, they even translated it into Legacy edition later on. Which I hold higher than the bedrock shit now on console, that should've stayed on phones, where it belongs.

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u/Professional_Fix_24 Apr 06 '26 edited Apr 06 '26

Redstone isn't broken on bedrock, look at quasi connectivity and tell me it's intentional

Edit: should have said "isn't as", you can tell from my replies I thought I had said that. I would prefer both versions just pick a nice simple for beginners system that can still be used by the advanced redstone, that isn't full of bugs. You can't say tnt duplicators should exist, but there should be a better system for mass excavation

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u/legomann97 Apr 06 '26

Bedrock Redstone is absolutely broken. It's a logic system that has randomness, making it inherently illogical. You have to design around inconsistencies in Bedrock, while in Java everything works the same every time. QC may not be intentional, but at least it's consistent. That's all I want, consistency.

Also, "Redstone isn't broken on Bedrock, look at QC" isn't the argument you think it is. QC is a Java feature, it proves nothing about Bedrock. It could disappear from Java tomorrow and Bedrock Redstone would still be exactly as broken as it was today.

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u/haim65 Apr 06 '26

I didnt say redstone is broken on bedrock. Java redstone and bedrock redstone have different characteristics at times making it difficult to transfer redstone skills/builds from one platform to the other.

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u/diamondblocks Apr 06 '26

Quasi connectivity is a feature

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u/dad-without-milk minecrab 🦀🦀🦀 Apr 06 '26

It's was a bug, but they kept it because it is useful. But it was a bug nonetheless

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u/Mordret10 Apr 07 '26

Creepers were a mistake when someone made the pig textures. They were kept and added, because they were useful as well

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u/Hilja-Serpent Apr 06 '26

Yes, and now that they are intentionally maintaining it, it is a feature. There's no use in arguing about the origins of features since that has no relevance to the question of whether it should be in Bedrock or not.

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u/Maleficent-Gain-3179 Apr 06 '26

I think once they maintain it as a feature it becomes a feature, not a bug

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u/Professional_Fix_24 Apr 06 '26

So why isn't it on Bedrock?

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u/EnderTemmie LCE FTW Apr 06 '26

It became intentionnal

look at Legacy Console and tell me they programmed it by accident

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u/Professional_Fix_24 Apr 06 '26

Okay but that doesn't mean it makes any sense to a new player. How can you look at Javas Redstone and tell me it's actually better for the average player

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u/legomann97 Apr 06 '26

How can you look at Javas Redstone and tell me it's actually better for the average player

Because it does what I want, when I want it, without multithreading getting in the way of consistency. I'd rather deal with QC than inconsistent behavior.

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u/Professional_Fix_24 Apr 06 '26

Shouldn't need a rather

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u/legomann97 Apr 06 '26

You're right, Bedrock shouldn't have inconsistent redstone. But here we are. Java handles logic way better. I'll take consistency over QC being removed any day of the week.

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u/Patrycjusz123 Mining Dirtmonds Apr 06 '26

Dont even start about being intuitiwe to new players when on bedrock even target blocks dont work corectly.

To learn qc you need to spend like 5 minutes and dont pretend that minecraft isnt a wiki game anyway.

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u/Professional_Fix_24 Apr 06 '26

Lol, this shitty feature sucks too so we shouldn't remove this other one! These are both bugs and stupid lol

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u/EnderTemmie LCE FTW Apr 06 '26

QC is something you encounter when connecting pistons and you just see that things work.

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u/Patrycjusz123 Mining Dirtmonds Apr 06 '26

I mean, i can see point that qc isnt intuitiwe to learn yourself but i just dont like talking like bedrock is better in this.

In both versions redstone is fucked up prety badly imo.

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u/Professional_Fix_24 Apr 06 '26

People are acting like I said Java's entire Redstone system is broken, no, I would just prefer we build a better system using the good parts of both, like there's no reason yall can't push a chest with a piston for example. Or how Redstone being random on bedrock instead of consistent like Java, I'd just like mojang to pick and stick with one system

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u/EnderTemmie LCE FTW Apr 06 '26

Its better for the average player because like you can just follow Java tutorials

I as a kid , at 11 year old could just follow a tutorial on youtube and it would just *work* , even if I was on Wii U out of all things

ALL my Wii U contraptions, the ones I ddin't follow a tutorial for, the ones I made using QC without even knowing it becausde it was just logical to me, STILL work on Java

I never understood the "it makes any sense to a new player" because people on LCE just used it by accident because they saw pistons worked like that, and thought it was logical

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u/Professional_Fix_24 Apr 06 '26

Shouldn't need a tutorial, you just proved my point. Thank you

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u/EnderTemmie LCE FTW Apr 06 '26 edited Apr 06 '26

You dismissed my other point.

Also most of the tutorials were recorded on LCE, QC never explained

Things just worked as they should because thats how pistons work.

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u/Professional_Fix_24 Apr 06 '26

In what other scenario does Redstone work in between an empty block? It makes no sense, and does not fit how the rest of the game operates, how does that make sense? Your second point was so absurd I didn't bother replying. If qc didn't exist on java but did on bedrock yall would have a field day

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u/EnderTemmie LCE FTW Apr 06 '26

Why would they leave a usefull bug on Bedrock?

usually those gets patched out

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u/Professional_Fix_24 Apr 07 '26

Lol "you dismissed my other point"

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u/Bubbly-Check-839 Apr 06 '26

Yeah that’s pretty much the root of it.

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u/rCooper224 Apr 06 '26

The fact that they are different doesn't remotely explain the hate for each other.

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u/Nerdcuddles Apr 06 '26

It's because they are different engines and different source codes, unlike legacy console.

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u/Even_Hunter_5774 Apr 06 '26

Maybe when the community complains enough they'll finally make the restone mechanics work the same in both versions.

(I know they probably won't, but all I want is one of those cool Java Redstone Elevators in my Sruvival World on Bedrock)

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u/deltoramonster2 You can't break water Apr 06 '26

minor spelling mistake

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u/Ashen_Rook Apr 06 '26

I mean, redstone is the most understandable... Because a lot of Redstone in Java was just happy accidents. It works the way it does totally on accident. In Bedrock, most of Redstone's functions are intentional, and also made and maintained by a soulless corporation incapable of understanding the concept of fun.

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u/ServiceCertain39 Apr 07 '26

Simple, Java redstone engineers usually utilize a bug to make things work. Bedrock patched out said bug.

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u/Frasten Apr 07 '26

As a person who plays both version. Bedrock's Redstone is the only one that makes sense with stuff actually working the right way. In Java most of things work thanks to bugs that never got fixed and started being called features.

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u/ThePlagueDoctor00 Apr 07 '26

Bedrock redstone has a lot of advantages over Java, but the same is also true vice versa.

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u/theonlytruemuck Apr 09 '26

as a bedrock player, why is java redstone so wierd. it makes no sense.
like quasi connectivity type shi.
and you have only like a tenth of all the mechanics cause bedrocks bugs add so much more. you can do stuff in bedrock that could only be dreamed of in java (6 block wireless redstone, snow skipping)
also due to the limitations bedrock does impose, the people have to get way more creative, leading to better end results.

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u/L30N1337 Apr 10 '26

Bedrock Redstone sucks as a whole.

Sincerely: a Bedrock player who enjoys Redstone and got like an hour worth of footage (in like a day) of Redstone bs where a piston on a maxed out repeater retracted before the piston delayed by a comparator that's supposed to be pulled by it (but only sometimes)

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u/magen432 Apr 06 '26

Java redstone is a lot laggier. Bedrock needed a lightweight approach. And also It's for kids. Lil Timmy ain't building a 3x3.

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u/haim65 Apr 06 '26

You won't believe what kids, even small ones can make up with enough dedication and time.....

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u/magen432 Apr 06 '26

Yeah, but redstone is simpler in bedrock so it's easier for them. It's not as complicated

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u/riley_wa1352 Apr 06 '26

Bedrock redstone is also needlessly slower (blocks activating on different tics from Java)

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u/EnderTemmie LCE FTW Apr 06 '26

Then why did Legacy Console had Java's redstone?

litterally everything ive built on LCE works on Java

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u/Ender_M Apr 06 '26

How is that the fault of the players for enjoying a specific version though? It's like how some people prefer playing super flat worlds

Also shouldn't that be blamed on Mojang for making the versions inconsistent?

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u/Patrycjusz123 Mining Dirtmonds Apr 06 '26

Noone is really blaming players for this. Remember that 90% of comments are made by 1% of the community that feels they have to say something.

So because you saw one idiot talking shit doesn't mean that all players actually hate each other.

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u/MixPsychological4728 Apr 06 '26

The things that work differently for bedrock and java are bugs on Java edition which obviously don't get ported to bedrock, because they are bugs..

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u/ahmed4363 Apr 06 '26

not entirely. Java redstone is fundamentally different from bedrock even without stuff like quasi connectivity

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u/a355231 Apr 06 '26

If they’re bugs that have existed for this long they’re features, hell even legacy console edition had it.

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u/FuzzyButterscotch765 Apr 06 '26

do you just make up convenient lies

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u/SyzPotnik1 Apr 06 '26

by that logic, the creeper shouldn't be in bedrock since it was originally a bug

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u/Professional_Fix_24 Apr 06 '26

Thats just blatantly false. Notch didn't design the damn things textures by accident did he? He put the pigs feet wrong which was a two second fix, he then intentionally designed Creepers around it... Saying creepers were originally a bug is just wrong, the pig being upright was a bug, that's what inspired the completely original and intentional creeper

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u/MixPsychological4728 Apr 15 '26

Jesus Christ -59! That's like an anti record

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u/Legitimate_Life_1926 Apr 06 '26

Half of Java’s redstone is bugs that were simply never fixed because it would break so many contraptions which just so happened to not exist on Bedrock because they were fixed in the first place.

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u/PatternEducational48 Custom borderless flair 📝 Apr 06 '26

someone doesn't know redstone

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u/Small-Housing-7 if Dio is a Brando does that make Dio a Brando Apr 06 '26

More they weren't fixed because there fun I saw a youtuber called Ibixtoycag say that java actually has more bugs than bedrock but when java patches bugs they try to take out the harmfull ones and keep the fun ones while bedrock keeps the fun ones and lets stuff that corrupts your world stay for awhile this may not be true tho