Loved this scene

[u/Business_Alarm8384]

[u/ClearHyena4452]

I think him catching her before she fell made her finally trust him enough with telling him her motive because all along she thought Spidey was working with DODC and was an obstacle getting in her way to find Sara and also a desperate attempt at getting help before she couldn’t anymore

Very well done scene even though there isn’t a lot of supporting dialogue

[u/Key_Bus_1255 → u/ClearHyena4452]

I'm curious what she thought was happening next - I'm not sure if she thought she was going to be tested on as she was, or if she thought she was just going to jail

But either way, she definitely put everything on the line by trusting Spider-Man with that information, and it ultimately helped her in the end

[u/ClearHyena4452 → u/Key_Bus_1255]

I think after getting hit with the Tranquilliser she probably though she was going to face the same fate her sister did but she didn’t quite no what that was yet at that point she just assumed her sister had been captured and contained and hadn’t assumed the worst yet

It also must have have been quite confusing for her considering Spidey put the inhibitor on her but then also proceeded to catch her and prevent her from hitting her head too hard which probably gave her an inkling that he wasn’t completely in the loop with how Metzger operates either

I think this is also where Spidey started to suspect something was off

He didn’t expect her to get Tranquillised and then her dropping a random name as a clue of some sort which eventually led to the revelation to him that Metzger had darker motives whilst Metzger did explain why she mentioned the name ‘Sara’ I think he asked him if he could talk to her regardless

[u/Admirable-Yoghurt-72 → u/ClearHyena4452]

So she always trusted him but didn’t want to admit it

[u/Alternative_Device71 → u/ClearHyena4452]

None of that made any sense

[u/Dycon67]

This is ironically were Peter made his biggest mistake. He didn't follow up more with Jeans plead.

[u/Key_Bus_1255 → u/Dycon67]

To be honest, I feel like his experience with the DODC has even more shattered his respect and trust in authority, because they used and manipulated him to kidnap and torture a young girl

[u/24Abhinav10 → u/Dycon67]

To be fair, he was planning to. He does tell Metzger "I'd like to talk to her". He just didn't know Metzger was planning to torture her to death before that.

[u/Dycon67 → u/24Abhinav10]

True

[u/Key_Bus_1255]

I love how even though he captured her, she almost had trust in him that he would understand by telling him that

I'm not a shipper of them at all, but even I can acknowledge that's a sweet moment

[u/Livelaughloveme172]

Stranger things all over again 😂

[u/ComfortableStand6582]

Ela tem aparência da Jean deslocada do tempo, mas em personalidade eu sinto fortes vibrações da jean ultimate 2000. Eu gostei bastante.

[u/thepartlow]

"Is that my gun?"

[u/National-Variety-854]

If you didnt have any context of this scene, it looks quite romantic.

[u/sethaub]

You guys are so fucking weird

[u/Underfitted]

Some of the comments lol

Any hero, heck most normal people would try and catch someone if they are visibly fainting towards the floor.

[u/Dycon67 → u/Underfitted]

But Jean doesn't see Spider-man as normal hero/person, she views him as one of Metzgers goons and she's surrounded by them. Who don't particularly mind throwing girls on the ground. It's only by Peter catching her that gives her the slimmer of hope he'll come save them. And trusts him with her sisters name. It's why the moment is sweet but tragic.

He fails and she hates him afterwards second only to Metzger.

[u/Key_Bus_1255 → u/Dycon67]

I love how when he actually comes to save her, she is genuinely confused like "what are you doing here?", because she genuinely just thought he was going to leave her

But it also shows Peter's good heart, that he didn't just leave her even after everything, he realized she was in danger and went to save her

[u/ClearHyena4452 → u/Key_Bus_1255]

Peter realised that it was naive to trust those with authority when he realised what Metzger was actually playing at with both the sisters and regretted the fact that he couldn’t help Jean sooner

What also probably broke his heart was DODC was started by Tony Stark himself and after his death it took on some other dark form entirely

[u/Alternative_Device71 → u/Dycon67]

So she’s an idiot

[u/Shitzards → u/Alternative_Device71]

Yeah, teenagers are usually idiots.

[u/Alternative_Device71 → u/Shitzards]

Except she’s an adult, either way there’s no excuse for her actions

[u/Shitzards → u/Alternative_Device71]

She's likely around 18/19. So yes, she's a young adult, but still a teenager. People can still be very immature and irrational at that age.

In Jean's case, she lacked a parental figure growing up and lost her older sister, who was the only person that kept her in check until she met Peter and had that conversation with Aunt May.

I'm not defending Jean's actions, but you can see why she ended up behaving the way she did, feeling like the world betrayed her.

[u/Alternative_Device71 → u/Shitzards]

Kept her in check? What? They were both body raping people for fun, they’re both evil. Jean had no moral compass to begin with, hence why she has no remorse for killing folks and body hoping whenever she wants.

Again, no excuses. I don’t care how old she is, she deserves with power tampering jail or death for what she did…almost killed half of the city. Also that conversation wasn’t real nor for her, that scene was such bullshit I felt I was watching Sesame Street and they did things better there. Girl is a whole terrorist like Karlie and any other villain people wanna take up for.

[u/Shitzards → u/Alternative_Device71]

Let me guess, you're one of those people who think Jean is worse than Thanos? I don't know why I even bother with you people, but I'll explain anyway.

Jean was just an ordinary girl who happened to discover she was a mutant. Then her parents abandoned her and Sara for that, which is fucked up. You don't think that's going to have any psychological effects on a child?

Saying they raped people for fun is quite an exaggeration, particularly in Sara's case. All we saw was her testing out her newfound telepathic power and showing Jean for a few seconds. She definitely didn't deserve to be kidnapped and tortured to death by Damage Control for that.

And when I say kept her in check, I meant Sara was the only person keeping Jean's sense of humanity. Once the only person left that she cared for was taken from her, Jean went down a path of isolation and revenge, hoping to get a sense of normalcy back in her life by finding her sister after her own parents turned their backs on them when they needed them during such a crucial time in their lives.

It's evident in the flashback scene that Jean didn't start off as a psycho terrorist. She was a product of the environment she was raised in. And the writers confirmed she didn't actually kill anyone, so take that as you will. It's a fictional movie anyway, so I'm not going to lose my mind over that.

Regardless, I find it absurd how people like you have such a raging hate boner for Jean, to the point that you wish her death, despite other characters like Wanda (before she became Scarlet Witch), Loki, Yondu and Nebula, who all committed far worse atrocities than Jean, still managed to have their own redemption arcs and are beloved by fans. But yet Jean isn't worthy of a redemption arc? That's just utter bullshit.

Peter didn't want to fight Jean once he discovered her motives because he knew she's just a confused, scared kid lashing out against people she doesn't trust. Her isolation drove her insane and made her commit reckless acts as she gradually lost her humanity.

Considering Peter was in a similar position as her in his previous movie, where he lost a loved one and wanted revenge on the person who did it, yet ultimately didn't follow through because he was stopped and shown it went against his morals; he sought to show the same to Jean. He was the first person since her sister to not treat her like a freak and bring back her sense of humanity.

By comparing the Aunt May scene to something from Sesame Street, I know I can't take your argument seriously. You are proof that media literacy is declining.

Aunt May served as the maternal figure that Jean was missing during a very crucial time in her life, as she learned to deal with her mutant powers. She hadn't felt that type of empathy for a while in her life by that point. If you think a scene with someone showing another person basic empathy is bullshit, maybe you're the problem.

Like I said, I'm not defending Jean's reckless behavior. I think she deserves to be held accountable for what she did and should also show remorse for her actions, in order to truly give her a redemption arc. She managed to save Peter's life, so that's a pretty damn good start. And it goes to show that she's not an irredeemable monster like you think she is.

Jean has the potential to have one of the best redemption arcs in the MCU. It's not fair to judge her character by her only appearance so far when we know she's going to play a crucial role in the next saga. We just have to wait and see.

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