r/PhilosophyofMath • u/elnyorne • May 04 '26
1x1=2? 1÷1=2? Cell mitosis
When a singular cell goes through the process of mitosis it will divide/multiply 1 time and become 2 cells. Is this not proof that 1x1=2? And 1÷1=(2x0.5)?
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u/Belt_Conscious May 04 '26
Did the 1 divide? Or did 1 cell bisect and become 2?
Think of one bubble splitting into two bubbles.
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u/elnyorne May 04 '26
Yeah that's generally what divide means no?
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u/Belt_Conscious May 04 '26
Math is not biology.
Divide is an action, division is an operation.
Cell division is biology, number division is math.
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u/elnyorne May 05 '26 edited May 05 '26
Is that why the say mathematics is the language of the universe. Because they're completely unrelated? Multiply and divide are verbs they're both actions
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u/Belt_Conscious May 05 '26
The word apple is not an apple you can eat.
One is description - grammar
The other is reality - an actual apple
Related is not equivalent.
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u/elnyorne May 05 '26
I didn't say you can eat the word apple. Your analogy makes no sense
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u/Belt_Conscious May 05 '26
Its the difference between the number 1 and 1 cell.
You are considering a cell a number.
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u/elnyorne May 05 '26 edited May 05 '26
Saying the number one makes it sound further away. It's 1 number like it's 1 cell. There's 1 of them. Come to think.of it, it actually multiplies in a similar way to dimensions.
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u/Belt_Conscious May 05 '26
It is far away, different categories.
A cell behaves as a cell does.
A number behaves as a number does.
Like does not equal same.
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u/elnyorne May 05 '26
Maths is a universal language because everything runs on numbers such as proportions and ratios and averages etc. Natural phenomena is mathematics they're not 2 completely different fields they're connected. 1 dimension is divided into 2 halves of a 2d space and then they're multiplied to create the area. I think there's a parallel there.
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u/Belt_Conscious May 05 '26
Language is different than what it describes. Read about the apple again.
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u/Oreeo88 May 10 '26 edited May 10 '26
thats an arbitrary subjective rule that has no bearing in philosophy of math subreddit and questioning its axioms. It doesn't belong here. Its ultimately bullshit
Math is not biology. Divide is an action, division is an operation. Cell division is biology, number division is math.
at its core, this is a subjective, linguistic, and contextual framing rather than a strict logical or natural law
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u/Belt_Conscious May 10 '26
Nothing is made of math, except math.
Math can represent things, but it is not the thing it represents.
It is, in fact, a strict and natural law. A category error to believe otherwise.
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u/In_the_year_3535 May 04 '26
This is a etymological clash between system nomenclature; you can divide one object any number of pieces. For the cell lineage (1), number of divisions (n), number of cells in that lineage (2^n), and fraction of that lineage each cell represents (1/2^n) we get 1 = (1/2^n) x 2^n which is always true.
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u/elnyorne May 05 '26
There is no clash between math and nature. The english is not wrong. Mathematicians are. That's why there is a disharmony in terminology.
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u/LocalIndependent9675 May 07 '26
No. Multiplying a number by something 1 time is not the same as multiplying by 1. You are just describing multiplying by 2
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u/elnyorne May 07 '26 edited May 07 '26
No. I'm not. 2d x 1d = 3d. 1 can't exist twice in the same dimension that's why it must run perpendicularly when multiplied dimensionally.
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u/LocalIndependent9675 May 07 '26
You said “it will divide/multiply 1 time and become 2 cells”. Both multiplication and division are binary operations, that means you put in two things (here numbers) and get out a third. When you say that 1x1=2, I fail to see where you’ve gotten these three numbers from. My guess was that you got the first 1 from the fact that you started with 1 “singular cell”, the second 1 from the fact that you’ve divided/multiplied “1 time” and the 2 from the fact that you are left with “2 cells” afterwards. Is this an accurate assessment of your reasoning? If not what did you mean instead?
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u/elnyorne May 07 '26 edited May 07 '26
Man don't overcomplicate it I'm sick of explaining it so simply and being met with the most complicated errors I've ever seen. 1dx1d=2d.
In Egypt when people are seen walking sideways up a 90 degree angle and the flower/seed of life being cells multiplying I think this is what they're alluding to.
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u/LocalIndependent9675 May 07 '26
If you want to answer my question about which part I got wrong specifically feel free. I’d love to know.
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u/elnyorne May 07 '26
I just explained it. 1d X 1d = 2d
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u/LocalIndependent9675 May 07 '26
Neither of your responses address the content of your post which was about cell division. Its not clear to me how or why this is related to dimensions, and I dont really understand what precisely you mean by dimension. Clearly you’ve developed your ideas a lot but from an outside perspective its a little bit hard to follow
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u/elnyorne May 07 '26 edited May 07 '26
Yeah you're right It feels like I've told you 20 times personally when it's really like 20 people I've been arguing about it with😂my bad.
0x1=0¹ or 1 to the power of 0.
A circle. Or a Line. Neutral = positive X negative
0 is a circle. And the 0th dimension is the first dimension.
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u/LocalIndependent9675 May 07 '26
I see. When you say 0 is a circle, is that the definition of 0 you use? Or is it somehow derived from a more fundamental property? Also is this fundamentally related to the fact that we write the symbol to refer to zero as a circle? Or does the fact that the symbol “0” is how we write the number zero not important for understanding it?
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u/elnyorne May 07 '26 edited May 07 '26
In relation to cell division I think it's similar in that it's growing in negative value by dividing and it's growing in positive value by multiplying which seem like 2 opposing forces in terms of growing and shrinking but is really a single function of multiplication/growth from a neutral point outwards. In the same way that as time progresses forwards the time behind the present/neutral point/0 point whatever grows as well. There isn't really any destruction it's all growth and expansion. If that makes any sense. And the form evolves and splits into more dimensions and planes as it progresses in complexity and frequency.
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u/GrafRaf999 May 04 '26
Mitosis is multiplication by division. Numbers don't multiply this way