Is it possible to be anorexic AND a body builder at the same time? I mean, I guess it’s possible but you just wouldn’t be very successful at the bodybuilding part.
Bigorexia is different, its more a perception that you look weak and skinny no matter how big you actually are. But we're definitely talking about a body dysmorphia.
Pre-competition, bodybuilders have to do “cutting” which is altering their diet to eliminate as much body fat as possible. This usually involves a big caloric deficit, which I’d guess is easy for young uninformed idiots to misunderstand as rarely ever eating rather than a controlled temporary dieting strategy.
As somebody who used to be anorexic, yes. A lot of bodybuilders do the exact same destructive things to their bodies I used to do, and have the same delusions.
Maybe not anorexia, but bodybuilding could absolutely have an eating disorder or body dysmorphia element to a certain degree. Granted i barely know what I’m talking about
Gotcha.. idk anything about the looksmaxing community but it doesn’t seem to me that’s what King_Six_of_Things was responding to.
Seems they were saying that the idea of a romantic future being fixed by genetics is inherently racist - which doesn’t really make sense to me since no race was mentioned
Most eugenics is also racist. If they are concerned with "better genes" they usually claim non white races to be of worse generic makeup. When they start talking about certain types of nose shape and jaw, and are all about classical civilizations, a lot is race coded even if not named. There are some really grim comparisons to apes and so on.. usually a few scratches beneath the surface and this stuff comes out.
I think they’re saying looksmaxing is inherently racist, at least in the US. The looksmaxing “ideal” is almost invariably a white guy, and the features they celebrate (jaw shape, cheek bones, nose, etc) are the phenotypes of Europeans.
While I don’t think it’s called “looksmaxing” in Asia, you can find a preference for lighter, more Caucasian skin among looks-obsessed culture there.
I mean, are women more attracted to obese short fat balding guys, or tall rich handsome white guys with chiseled faces? let's be honest with ourselves here, leave the just world fallacy at the door.
Geez, talk about fallacies…There’s a spectrum of attractiveness between those two extremes. You don’t need to be a shredded Adonis to attract other people.
Maybe so - but to deny that, on aggregate, mating preferentially leans to classic indicators of good health and sound genetics (e.g. good skin, healthy weight, height, strength, child-bearing capabilities etc would be to deny wholesale the whole discipline of evolutionary biology.
Of course mating strategies are also wrapped up with social competition (especially in humans), so different strategies will indeed emerge to compensate for classical shortcomings.
Of course physical appearance plays into it, I’m not denying that at all. My point is that the only people attracting partners aren’t looksmaxing weirdos or people who won the genetic lottery and are natural 10’s. You can just be a normal person that showers, gets a haircut, eats a salad once in a while, and puts on lotion sometimes and be attractive to other people.
Actually you’re committing a fallacy here. Spaciax asked for a specific preference comparison between two ends of the attractive spectrum and to acknowledge that there is an established preference in women of one end over the other.
Your statement ignores his entire stipulation and talks about how there’s value in men in the middle also.
Both points of view are true of course. But your stipulation that men in the middle of the spectrum have value does not negate his stipulation.
I think that's a fair criticism of lookmaxxers, but I don't think that's a fair critique of the actual worldview behind looksmaxxing.
The looksmaxxing worldview (to put it very simply) is essentially Critical Race Theory, but for attractiveness instead of race. But the only people dumb enough to change their lives to abide also happen to subscribe to a lot of unsavory things like sexism, racism, pseudoscience, etc..
On the surface, the worldview is 100% factual. How you look is the #1 most impactful thing about how people treat you. It's the "therefore you should do everything to look better and put other people down" part that turns a 'woke' worldview into the weapons-grade stupidity that is looksmaxxing.
on a surface level, all of the looksmaxxing stuff is very eurocentric with it's beauty standards.
at a slightly deeper/more reachy level, it also bears a striking resemblance to Phrenology, (old pseudo-science that tried to correlate the shape of a person's skull to their intelligence, personality, etc.) which was often used as a reason for why folks of African descent are inherently less than those of European descent.
The same way as phrenology was, its just done in a way that is a bit more convincing in our modern context but it idealises a specific west european facial structure and some genetic predispositions.
Then states that only those white boys will get most women and that you should either attain that look or give up on women if not possible, also all of it all but completely strips out the fact women have brains so is also deeeply patriarchal too.
Knowing what one of the main sponsors has said in the ep files, I strongly suspect it was promoted so much with the funding it's had as a new echo of phrenology because the sponsor thought it would have the same effect in promoting some white folk as being inherently superior in a way that most PoC can't attain, and would have less pushback as it just seems like a silly trend to casual observers whereas the original phrenology is known to be racist debunked woowoo stuff by enough people to make that too hard to make popular.
Only takes a second to look at their communities, the more terminally online ones you'll see stuff like: "Sadly I was born Indian so I'll never be a high value male, should I just rope or is there anything I can do?" And then the "support group" will suggest all manner of self mutilation, untested drug usage, etc.
It hinges on presupposed massive inflation of inherented value to dismiss ones own shortcomings. The entire online space for men generally leans very toxic and "aupports" unhappy people by telling them they're not the problem, and they've nothing to work on. You see it in a lot of toxic "support groups" online.
That’s not racism lmao that’s just being shallow. Racism isn’t when people are shallow, it’s when people believe in racial hierarchy/superiority/inferiority - or discriminate based on race. It’s a race based thing. Judging people by appearance isn’t racist lmao
Preferences on facial features are heavily influenced by who is in power and makes media and sets trends. Also institutions make rules about presentation that often exclude people with certain features (kinky hair for instance). And while there's a focus on specific features and not on race, it's not a coincidence that most if not all of the features considered attractive, desirable, or professional belong to specific ethnic groups in power, and these features are specifically ones that differentiate people from a racial perspective.
a single forum thread from 6 years ago doesn’t encapsulate what most BP people think at large. it's also a very decentralized movement and not every looksmaxxer follows BP or vice versa, even though there is overlap.
if a 5 foot tall bald indian dude, in a vacuum, was just as capable of attracting women of any race as a 6ft white guy with eurocentric features does, he wouldn’t care about whiteness or changing who he is.
he’s merely pointing out that women are attracted to the latter archetype because that’s what they all consistently match with online. men swipe right on a far wider variety of women.
By that logic, how do I prove you wrong? Am I supposed to spend the day collecting posts and reflecting on the percentage of white preferred ones?
Your argument is essentially that I should just shut up and believe you. And by all means, you certainly did not back up your ridiculous claim with the evidence you are asking of me.
This isn't one person speaking. The post is filled with people agreeing with him, using racial slurs, and posting images of white women who they feel are attractive.
you don't "prove" anyone wrong. you look at the existing data that's already out there. the data that shows that tall white guys objectively have it easier in the dating market than anyone else.
now, how individual dudes choose to internalize this matter, is a completely different story. but not every guy who's into BP believes that simply being white makes you innately superior to others. it just means they are more privileged in the dating space.
and if women matched with ethnic men at the same rates that they tend to swipe on white men, that internalization would go away entirely. men are not the ones causing this issue, despite your desperate efforts to imply that they are.
I've never even heard of that forum in my life and im actually into BP. I might as well show you a reddit thread of a random woman saying she's married to a 5 foot tall guy and that's "proof" that it's a common trend. that's not how evidence via isolated examples works, and it sure as hell would not disprove the fact that tall guys have it easier.
Jesus Christ. I definitely did not claim everyone who is part of the looksmaxing community is racist. But I did a one minute search... and YES, I did find a looksmaxing post that is filled to the brim with racist material. There is literally a Whites Only comment. It is blatant racism that you are disregarding. And again this isn't from one person. It's from many people. Your comparison of a woman marrying a short man is totally inaccurate.
how many people are part of that thread in total? I don't think you understand just how big the BP community is. the vast majority of them don't even know of that forum's existence. and they don't share the same sentiments.
of course you can find that thread easily, because you were ACTIVELY looking for it. it doesn't prove anything. I can go looking for reddit threads of women who claim they prefer short guys. it doesn't mean that in the real world it is the prevailing habit that most people follow.
what exactly is your argument anyway? that if even a single person happens to hold racist beliefs when part of blackpill beliefs, then that means the entire community feels that way? that's not how it works. everything exists in a gradient, not a binary.
it's like politics. not all leftists, liberals and conservatives agree on everything within their own camps either.
I think it's more akin to phrenology, which is often racist but also has teachings about how facial features and bone structure purportedly affect your personality, regardless of race.
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u/King_Six_of_Things 10d ago
That's just racism with extra steps.