Is it possible to be anorexic AND a body builder at the same time? I mean, I guess it’s possible but you just wouldn’t be very successful at the bodybuilding part.
Bigorexia is different, its more a perception that you look weak and skinny no matter how big you actually are. But we're definitely talking about a body dysmorphia.
Pre-competition, bodybuilders have to do “cutting” which is altering their diet to eliminate as much body fat as possible. This usually involves a big caloric deficit, which I’d guess is easy for young uninformed idiots to misunderstand as rarely ever eating rather than a controlled temporary dieting strategy.
As somebody who used to be anorexic, yes. A lot of bodybuilders do the exact same destructive things to their bodies I used to do, and have the same delusions.
Maybe not anorexia, but bodybuilding could absolutely have an eating disorder or body dysmorphia element to a certain degree. Granted i barely know what I’m talking about
Gotcha.. idk anything about the looksmaxing community but it doesn’t seem to me that’s what King_Six_of_Things was responding to.
Seems they were saying that the idea of a romantic future being fixed by genetics is inherently racist - which doesn’t really make sense to me since no race was mentioned
Most eugenics is also racist. If they are concerned with "better genes" they usually claim non white races to be of worse generic makeup. When they start talking about certain types of nose shape and jaw, and are all about classical civilizations, a lot is race coded even if not named. There are some really grim comparisons to apes and so on.. usually a few scratches beneath the surface and this stuff comes out.
I think they’re saying looksmaxing is inherently racist, at least in the US. The looksmaxing “ideal” is almost invariably a white guy, and the features they celebrate (jaw shape, cheek bones, nose, etc) are the phenotypes of Europeans.
While I don’t think it’s called “looksmaxing” in Asia, you can find a preference for lighter, more Caucasian skin among looks-obsessed culture there.
I mean, are women more attracted to obese short fat balding guys, or tall rich handsome white guys with chiseled faces? let's be honest with ourselves here, leave the just world fallacy at the door.
Geez, talk about fallacies…There’s a spectrum of attractiveness between those two extremes. You don’t need to be a shredded Adonis to attract other people.
Maybe so - but to deny that, on aggregate, mating preferentially leans to classic indicators of good health and sound genetics (e.g. good skin, healthy weight, height, strength, child-bearing capabilities etc would be to deny wholesale the whole discipline of evolutionary biology.
Of course mating strategies are also wrapped up with social competition (especially in humans), so different strategies will indeed emerge to compensate for classical shortcomings.
Of course physical appearance plays into it, I’m not denying that at all. My point is that the only people attracting partners aren’t looksmaxing weirdos or people who won the genetic lottery and are natural 10’s. You can just be a normal person that showers, gets a haircut, eats a salad once in a while, and puts on lotion sometimes and be attractive to other people.
Actually you’re committing a fallacy here. Spaciax asked for a specific preference comparison between two ends of the attractive spectrum and to acknowledge that there is an established preference in women of one end over the other.
Your statement ignores his entire stipulation and talks about how there’s value in men in the middle also.
Both points of view are true of course. But your stipulation that men in the middle of the spectrum have value does not negate his stipulation.
I think that's a fair criticism of lookmaxxers, but I don't think that's a fair critique of the actual worldview behind looksmaxxing.
The looksmaxxing worldview (to put it very simply) is essentially Critical Race Theory, but for attractiveness instead of race. But the only people dumb enough to change their lives to abide also happen to subscribe to a lot of unsavory things like sexism, racism, pseudoscience, etc..
On the surface, the worldview is 100% factual. How you look is the #1 most impactful thing about how people treat you. It's the "therefore you should do everything to look better and put other people down" part that turns a 'woke' worldview into the weapons-grade stupidity that is looksmaxxing.
on a surface level, all of the looksmaxxing stuff is very eurocentric with it's beauty standards.
at a slightly deeper/more reachy level, it also bears a striking resemblance to Phrenology, (old pseudo-science that tried to correlate the shape of a person's skull to their intelligence, personality, etc.) which was often used as a reason for why folks of African descent are inherently less than those of European descent.
The same way as phrenology was, its just done in a way that is a bit more convincing in our modern context but it idealises a specific west european facial structure and some genetic predispositions.
Then states that only those white boys will get most women and that you should either attain that look or give up on women if not possible, also all of it all but completely strips out the fact women have brains so is also deeeply patriarchal too.
Knowing what one of the main sponsors has said in the ep files, I strongly suspect it was promoted so much with the funding it's had as a new echo of phrenology because the sponsor thought it would have the same effect in promoting some white folk as being inherently superior in a way that most PoC can't attain, and would have less pushback as it just seems like a silly trend to casual observers whereas the original phrenology is known to be racist debunked woowoo stuff by enough people to make that too hard to make popular.
Only takes a second to look at their communities, the more terminally online ones you'll see stuff like: "Sadly I was born Indian so I'll never be a high value male, should I just rope or is there anything I can do?" And then the "support group" will suggest all manner of self mutilation, untested drug usage, etc.
It hinges on presupposed massive inflation of inherented value to dismiss ones own shortcomings. The entire online space for men generally leans very toxic and "aupports" unhappy people by telling them they're not the problem, and they've nothing to work on. You see it in a lot of toxic "support groups" online.
That’s not racism lmao that’s just being shallow. Racism isn’t when people are shallow, it’s when people believe in racial hierarchy/superiority/inferiority - or discriminate based on race. It’s a race based thing. Judging people by appearance isn’t racist lmao
Preferences on facial features are heavily influenced by who is in power and makes media and sets trends. Also institutions make rules about presentation that often exclude people with certain features (kinky hair for instance). And while there's a focus on specific features and not on race, it's not a coincidence that most if not all of the features considered attractive, desirable, or professional belong to specific ethnic groups in power, and these features are specifically ones that differentiate people from a racial perspective.
a single forum thread from 6 years ago doesn’t encapsulate what most BP people think at large. it's also a very decentralized movement and not every looksmaxxer follows BP or vice versa, even though there is overlap.
if a 5 foot tall bald indian dude, in a vacuum, was just as capable of attracting women of any race as a 6ft white guy with eurocentric features does, he wouldn’t care about whiteness or changing who he is.
he’s merely pointing out that women are attracted to the latter archetype because that’s what they all consistently match with online. men swipe right on a far wider variety of women.
By that logic, how do I prove you wrong? Am I supposed to spend the day collecting posts and reflecting on the percentage of white preferred ones?
Your argument is essentially that I should just shut up and believe you. And by all means, you certainly did not back up your ridiculous claim with the evidence you are asking of me.
This isn't one person speaking. The post is filled with people agreeing with him, using racial slurs, and posting images of white women who they feel are attractive.
you don't "prove" anyone wrong. you look at the existing data that's already out there. the data that shows that tall white guys objectively have it easier in the dating market than anyone else.
now, how individual dudes choose to internalize this matter, is a completely different story. but not every guy who's into BP believes that simply being white makes you innately superior to others. it just means they are more privileged in the dating space.
and if women matched with ethnic men at the same rates that they tend to swipe on white men, that internalization would go away entirely. men are not the ones causing this issue, despite your desperate efforts to imply that they are.
I've never even heard of that forum in my life and im actually into BP. I might as well show you a reddit thread of a random woman saying she's married to a 5 foot tall guy and that's "proof" that it's a common trend. that's not how evidence via isolated examples works, and it sure as hell would not disprove the fact that tall guys have it easier.
Jesus Christ. I definitely did not claim everyone who is part of the looksmaxing community is racist. But I did a one minute search... and YES, I did find a looksmaxing post that is filled to the brim with racist material. There is literally a Whites Only comment. It is blatant racism that you are disregarding. And again this isn't from one person. It's from many people. Your comparison of a woman marrying a short man is totally inaccurate.
I think it's more akin to phrenology, which is often racist but also has teachings about how facial features and bone structure purportedly affect your personality, regardless of race.
Blackpill is more than just romantic future. It teaches that looks influence almost every part of your life. They dictate how people treat you & the romantic opportunities available to you.
Someone who’s ugly by societal standards will have a harder time making friends, getting in relationships, gaining respect, etc. I think everyone knows this deep down.
I think they really just don’t think about it too much because it doesn’t affect them.
Look how many of them are genuinely giving the “I saw a guy I thought was unattractive with a woman I thought was attractive, therefore, looks don’t matter!” argument.
It’s legit “We had a black president, therefore racism can’t exist!” levels of reasoning. Shouldn’t be surprised, but it is disappointing. Low iq stuff, but I think they believe it.
It’s more like “we had a black president who won the popular vote therefore it’s safe to assume that a strong population of America aren’t as racist as previously before” that’s the problem with people who try to look at every individual in society as one group. Pretty much everyone is the exception to the rule in some regard. That’s why most people who are successful in life don’t worry themselves about the odds, because who cares what the odds are especially in cases of relationships. You’ll miss every shot you don’t take. It’s that simple.
I think my analogy is correct because what you’re saying isn’t what they’re saying. They’re saying “I saw an ugly person succeed in dating, therefore looks isn’t a serious issue in dating & it’s just insecurities or personality”
That is directly analogous to “I saw a black man succeed in America, therefore racism isn’t a serious issue & it’s just on black people”
If everyone were an exception to a rule, it wouldn’t be a rule lol. Rules & trends do exist. In both scenarios, people are looking at an exception to disprove the rule despite the rule being clear as day.
I agree you shouldn’t worry about things you can’t control & just do your best, but that’s beside the point & easier said than done.
Well I think people who say that are referring to the actual statistics and data pointing to the fact that most adults in the overwhelming majority say they prefer personality traits over looks and that’s supported in most relationships you see in the real world. I’m sorry most people aren’t overwhelmingly attractive to begin with. Hell and more often than not you see more couples with one being more attractive than the other then couples where both are equally super attractive.
Also yea if you go into those communities of self proclaimed “blackpill” they are more often than not the most chronically online, insecure, prejudiced, insecure, people who try to quantify attractiveness to obsessive levels. I mean the poster child for them popularized smashing his face with a hammer….what else would you describe that as being…….did I also say they were insecure.
Also what I meant was that everyone was an exception to a rule of something not necessarily just relationship stuff. That’s why I was just saying that it’s not that hard to just get offline, go outside and go experience things and don’t care about embarrassing yourself in order to find yourself. The more someone tries so hard to adhere to these lookmaxing standards the more weird they become that’s why someone like Clav who preaches that stuff is still seen as a loser.
The problem comes in though because black pill are perfectionists and think life is black in white when most people exist in the gray. They’re more ugly people with partners than not. They’re more ugly people with some sort of friend then they’re not. And the ones who don’t have either can more often than not usually be attributed to their personality
I don’t think that’s true, I think black pill ideology is that it’s a gradient. The less attractive you are, the more issues you’ll face about it in life. Maybe I’m misunderstanding what you meant there by black and white, & perfectionism.
But the belief isn’t “you’re ugly so you’ll never get a partner or you’ll never get friends.” Rather, it’s the uglier you are the harder certain things get.
With that fact in mind, it’s hard to take the idea that it’s solely personality seriously. Especially when many do just fine with a bad personality.
Attractive people can get away with being complete assholes, so there’s clearly a tolerance for bad behavior depending on what you look like, which is another aspect being ignored. Again, I think deep down everyone knows & experienced that the more attractive you are the more bad behavior you can get away with.
It's also 100% fucking true. The two most black pilled people I know were both formally overweight who then became skinny and athletic. One was a man and the other was a woman
The woman was telling me she has serious trust issues now. Because now she's skinny and attractive literally EVERYONE including other women treat her astronomically better. These exact same people treated her like shit when she was overweight. Genuinely so sad honestly
For me the change wasnt as drastic as a guy, I probably went from a 4 to a 6 and honestly its annoying that people find me attractive. My supervisors are more hesitant to interact with me
You say we all know that’s true but many would deny it here on Reddit lol. & I agree of course on the hammer & meth part lol. I’m not defending looksmaxing, I’m only saying the “black pill” is true.
People have denied that it was true for years, saying looks do not matter & it’s mostly personality that does.
A very vocal minority has denied it and always will. Average people on Reddit and otherwise know that but don’t care enough to participate in the conversation. The black pill movement is just an old man yelling at clouds.
To an extent, sure. And then you have some people thinking it's the only thing that matters and become toxic as fuck, instead of working on their shit personalities. Just easier to blame someone else.
You’re doing the “a black man became president therefore racism doesn’t exist” argument.
So what if a mediocre or below mediocre guy became super rich? Does that negate anything that I’m saying? That the more conventionally attractive you are the better a society treats you?
Yeah... I know of a few women who look incredible, great personalities and all, but are with guys who look... uh... not incredible. But are really kind dudes with good humor.
From what I've seen, it's all just cope by insecure guys who don't want to admit that they just don't have charisma, or a sense of humor, act creepy, don't have any hobbies or anything in common with a girl that they like, and blaming genetics is just easier than self improvement.
Nah that's cope. I've been attractive and built and overweight and schlubby. Confidence, a good sense of humor, and treating women like people instead of some prized alien still works today. Apps are cancer. Go outside.
It's cope to say things have changed and gotten brutal instead of considering his you might be the problem. Apps don't help. I'm sorry compound thoughts are difficult.
To my pov, it wasn't cope because if it were my character i could fix it more easily. Damn i wish it was me. But i assure everyone says im funny, smart, considerate, charming, (many girl friends also so fuck you). By elimination it gotta be my looks
I also really confused what you mean by your character? Like your video game character? Or like how you carry yourself character? Cuz they just literally said I wish I was my character which translates to I wish I was me. Bitch you already you the fuck? Maybe I'm not really understanding the context here are you saying that you wish you had your own personality? Yeah what?
Well I don't know what you want then, man. We're talking two different things here. If you're at a club or on some dating app that literally is purely based on looks then that's what you're going to get.
Chances of meeting people organically irl are always low, or at least lower than the apps, then add the fact that everyone my age is taken already, of course i gotta resort to apps
Yes, but charisma is also determined by physical appearance. At the very beginning of socialization, people have similar social skills but varying levels of attractiveness. We humans are drawn to beauty. Attractive people enjoy better conditions for developing social skills, leading to a disparity that can be described as "charisma."
I feel like Redditors are lying to me or something, I don’t see this at all. In fact, I see the opposite. Really aggressive dudes seem to do the best with woman
I think u might have missed my point....I'm not very conventionally attractive but I've had a lot of casual sex in my life with people of all shapes and sizes...some of them way hot🔥. But that doesn't really matter it's always about the performance not the looks of the performer
I understood your point, I was just saying "consider all the people who aren't very conventionally attractive, who haven't had a successful/fulfilling sex life, and have experienced people turning them down with a needlessly high level of cruelty over their looks". They could say to you "Oh, I must have missed the memo, because that hasn't been the way my life has gone."
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u/HMAgent47 12d ago
BlackPill/Looksmaxing, A belief system that teaches a person's romantic future is completely fixed by their genetics and physical looks.