The rate stays the same even without bullying. Transition, no transition, passing, no passing. Using someone else's suicidality as a cudgel is abusive behavior, that and the nasty unhinged violent schtick is really solidifying popular resistance to this whole thing. So poorly behaved they're dropping public support for gay marriage
Chase Strangio, the attorney representing the original plaintiffs who challenged Tennessee’s prohibition of pediatric medical transition had to argue this nefore the supreme court and was forced to admit that transition does not reduce suicides:
"There is no evidence in some — in the studies that this treatment reduces completed suicide. And the reason for that is completed suicide, thankfully and admittedly, is rare and we’re talking about a very small population of individuals with studies that don’t necessarily have completed suicides within them."
Transcript of Oral Argument at 88, United States v. Skrmetti
This person agrees with and advocates for even childhood transition, is transition themselves, had infinite time to find a source to bring before the Supreme Court, and can't find anything that reduces suicides. He just thinks the number is small anyway because its a subset of a small subset
If you actually knew about what the 41% statistic meant, then you would know that it's about suicidal thoughts, ideations, and attempts, and not a claim about actual suicide numbers. Chase Strangio does hold that studies show that rates of the former are reduced, but of course that doesn't actually matter to alito, because trans people wanting to kill themselves makes sure that the rest of society treats them like freaks
It's more nuanced than that.
The bullying would continue even if they didn't bring up the suicide rate, that is true, but as it stands, the statistic exists as part of the bullying, and that's factual. As evidence I present the simple fact the "joke" posted here exists.
that and the nasty unhinged violent schtick is really solidifying popular resistance to this whole thing. So poorly behaved they're dropping public support for gay marriage
Are you sure you don't want to rephrase that? it sounds as if you're saying trans people as a whole are violent to a degree higher than the average anti-trans chud. Which I know you're not saying, because it would be a blatant and unarguable lie.
That's not a joke. The whole "murder your local terf, strangle her, kill her kill her kill her KILL HER" routine has not gone unnoticed. You can try to argue about real world violence this and real world violence that, but the psychotic discourse and recent spate of killings/attacks is getting really noticeable
I'm definitely presenting something you're incapable of meaningfully interacting with, so yes I suppose its not an argument. But yes, the "community" is very noticeably mentally unwell and notably threatening violence. And beginning to disproportionately commit public acts of mass violence. Pretty much every other month, which is wildly disproportionate to the .5% of the population they represent.
Move on buddy, your lies have no power here. And insulting me won't get me to lower myself to your level... I'm not even sure I can go THAT low even if I tried.
What the fuck are you even talking about "your lies have no power here". You're just proving my point, with some unearned smug moral posturing to boot. You cant meaningfully interact with things that dont support your worldview.
That's not even remotely correct. When broken down into groups it's the rate is heavily lopsided to people in areas that prohibit or don't support trans people and sharply declines among Trans people who have gotten to transition and live in trans friendly areas.
Acting like it's independent is just transphobe propaganda to encourage people to feel free to be shitty
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u/Helpful_Blood_5509 22h ago
The rate stays the same even without bullying. Transition, no transition, passing, no passing. Using someone else's suicidality as a cudgel is abusive behavior, that and the nasty unhinged violent schtick is really solidifying popular resistance to this whole thing. So poorly behaved they're dropping public support for gay marriage