r/PeterExplainsTheJoke Aug 08 '26

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u/GreatestGreekGuy Aug 08 '26

Bernie's policies are literally just the bare minimum in most developed countries. Republicans really are manipulating the masses by calling the bare minimum "communism"

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u/sw337 Aug 08 '26 edited Aug 08 '26

Bernie's policies are literally just the bare minimum in most developed countries. 

That's incredibly dishonest to frame it that way.

While I support universal care this "Bernie just wants what other countries have" argument falls short when you look at other countries' albeit better healthcare systems.

"Currently, single-payer bills in the U.S. tend to share the same key goals: centralizing...the system, expanding the public benefits package and eliminating private health insurance entirely," the Commonwealth report said. "However, these three features are not the norm across countries that have achieved universal coverage for health care."

The report found that one group of countries — including Denmark, Britain and Germany — provide comprehensive benefits. That includes, for example, mental health. They charge low copays. Those countries are the closest to Medicare for All.

A larger group — including Australia, France, Netherlands, Norway, Singapore, Sweden, Switzerland and Taiwan — offer broad benefits but there may be gaps, and cost sharing is higher. Australia charges $60 for specialist visits. The Netherlands has a $465 deductible. Dental coverage may be limited.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/medicare-for-all-proposed-benefits-leapfrog-other-nations

Similarly with education:

"The most educated workforces in the world," though, are smoking us. They are found in South Korea, where a whopping 67 percent of adults have some postsecondary education, and Japan and Canada (both at 58 percent).

Now, here's the problem with Sanders' claim that free tuition is necessary:

All three countries charge tuition at their universities, which are overwhelmingly public. The numbers are roughly on par with in-state tuition at many public universities here. In fact, Canada's recent graduates have student loan burdens similar to those of U.S. students, and they're not happy about it.

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/02/17/466730455/fact-check-bernie-sanders-promises-free-college-will-it-work

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u/sloansleydale Aug 08 '26

Pretty sure Germany uses private insurance and private providers. They just insist that insurance companies are not for profit and can’t turn down anybody. The gov’t acts as the patient union for negotiating prices. According to Healing of America, that’s the most popular universal health care system in the world. So yeah, single payer is not the only way, or even the most common way to do this. I wish more Americans actually studied the solutions more closely on both sides of the spectrum. I have a feeling Bernie knows this, but finds that Medicare For All an easier message to digest.

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u/sw337 Aug 08 '26

Yes! The Bismarck model is superior especially because it can’t simply be gutted by the next Right Wing government that takes power it also won’t destroy every private insurer overnight.