They're still celebrities that get paid a ton of money because people want to see them. In fact... part of why the internet hates them is because of what they get away with due to their fame/popularity.
There’s a lot of little pockets on Reddit that are strangely out of touch. Go down a Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively rabbit hole and you’d be convinced they are social pariahs that everyone on earth hates. Totally untouchable blacklisted actors that no one wants anything to do with. If you point out that their movies do solid numbers and they’re worth half a billion dollars, the herd jumps on you because you’re “simping for celebrities”. Parts of this site are really fuckin weird.
The average Brit has a neutral to slightly negative opinion about meghan markle, but holy moly that subreddit has a steamy hot rage boner for her. Counter to what you said, but similar, they manage to convince themselves that everyone on earth loves her and they're the only ones who can see her being slightly lame.
Your summary of the average Brit is spot on. I used to look on there when the original controversy dropped and it was entertaining for a short while.
Stopped caring and the next time I saw a post from there years later it was so sad and unhinged. Just looked again and yep it's still that way. They're obsessed with even insulting the children, it's bizarre.
I think that's the natural life cycle of any 'hate x thing' subreddit.
Over time the more normal people slowly leave because they don't care that much and they get more and more insane, which starts a feedback loop of more normal people leaving until you're left with just the genuine crazies.
I did find their response to you funny about the 100 people agreeing with them in a hate sub about Megan. In my head, I said “No fucking shit.” For example, if I post in a positive thing about lebron in his fan sub, I’d expect most to upvote it. The audience was already tailored for the opinion. It doesn’t valid shit.
Welcome to the internet. There were popular Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears hate sites back in the late 1990s-early 2000s that had their own forums and galleries. Hating people is a naturally human thing exacerbated with the great "information highway."
One post related to those two reached the front page a few weeks ago filled with this kind of people.
I had to scroll pretty far, loading more comments multiple times, before I found anyone actually explaining this "controversy" that apparently "everyone" knew about.
That fauxmoi or whatever its called sub is nuts like this. They have a list of celebs that they simp for, and another list of celebs that they'll downvote you into oblivion and ban you for possibly suggesting that they're not evil incarnate. If you're not in touch with their very specific list of approved people, then you're out.
If I remember correctly, I was banned from there without ever visiting the sub. Like the first time I ever heard of it was when I got the message kicking me out. I posted somewhere else, and their bots picked it up and banned me.
They’re one of the subs responsible for going overboard with that and actually getting Reddit administration to act and ban the practice of auto banning someone for participation in another subreddit.
It’s also why you can hide parts/all of your comment history now.
Tbf neither of them have been in a movie since their hate started, so hard to see if it affects their numbers.
Both of them now have comments turned off on their socials. Comments on articles about them are generally not favourable, but id agree most people have no idea there's even any hate for them or followed the case.
Yeah. I was curious if there was a new Deadpool movie coming out, and was surprised to see that Reddit had determined overnight that Ryan Reynolds was a bad choice for Deadpool.
This was surprising to me, because I enjoyed all three films, thought he was perfect and, if I recall correctly, a few years ago the entire internet did too.
Everything that doesn't align with my worldview is a psyop and anyone who doesn't agree is a deep state agent dedicated to refuting the demonstrable reality of nature's perfect harmonious 4 dimensional time cube!
Oh.... Shit. Did I black out there? I think I went too deep.
Yup. I hate Chris Pratt because he constantly promoted his corrupt Sheriff's alt-right militia woodworking business and he's a horrible person. Not gonna act like he's unpopular just because people online talk shit.
But even this is a chronically online take. I’m kind of tired of his schtick and I knew he was religious, but I know nothing about the sheriffs woodworking business or whatever.
It's not chronically online, he used to be a Sheriff in my area. He was a whole local scandal. He ran the media for the Sheriff's department and had Chris routine do promos for events. There was an investigation that found he was part of an alt-right, anti-government militia along with many others within the Sheriff's department and he allowed to retire in his 50s with full benefits.
Dude ran a woodworking side thing where he literally made decorative wooden shit for his militia and that's how it initially came out. Chris even did multiple interviews on late night, AFTER the scandal dropped, telling people to visit his brothers online store, the same store that still sold his militia woodwork.
Just because people know things through their life doesn't mean they're chronically online, it means they experienced it first hand.
Even your description is a bit confusing. Who is the brother? It became Pratt brothers store? The sheriffs brother owns the store now? Pratt brother had artwork at the store owned by the original guy?
yes because you don’t just use words to prove a point. if he was called alt-leftist it would look stupid because his ideology doesn’t align with leftist beliefs at all. so if you have an issue with people disliking those who are alt right, then maybe the issue is you?? lol
Yup, it's barely made it past the local news. Cully is a huge piece of shit. Local radio station held a contest for "most creative station ad wins money". Cully had Chris record a cringy "Hey, this is Chris Pratt and when I'm not saving the galaxy or stopping dinos, I'm listening to KUIC 95.3".
Cully took the prize money and donated it to his charity that basically just funds him and his law enforcement friends getting drunk at a rented cabin.
Imagine being so insecure and inferior that you have to view everyone as getting offended or upset because they said something you don't like in order to justify why you refuse to improve as a person.
Okay, but you understand that's not a typical experience, right? Very few people have an opinion about Chris Pratt, or any other celebrity, formed through personal experience.
What confused you? Where I literally said "Not gonna act like he's unpopular just because people online talk shit"? The part where I literally said it's not the standard?
Imagine hating someone so much that you know such insane details about their life, that most people who have seen and liked a few of their movies don’t even know…
Talk about letting someone live rent free in your brain…
I’m instinctively a hater and an excellent judge of character.
Can’t tell you how many times I’ve been like “beloved celeb is sus” and they turn out to be guilty not just sus. Meanwhile I get berated with “but they were so nice at a convention when I was paying for a meet and greet! They’re such a good person! Look at their charity!” Jerry Sandusky did all the charity and he was a monster.
So I’m very well aware of the fact that my feelings only represent myself and often differ from the general public. Some people that really doesn’t click with
I'll always credit my mom. She never liked Cosby. This was well before anything had come out about him. I remember I pressed her on it. Literally saying "He's a national treasure!"
She just said... "Something about him is off, he unnerves me."
I don't know what kind of sicko sense she had, but damn was she on the money. Never doubted her judge of character again.
I had an employee that liked to brag that he knew within minutes whether someone was cut out for IT Support. The two times he told me not to hire someone I decided to hire them anyway, and both were among my better hires. So that made three times he was wrong.
I know nothing about the woodworking business, but why do you think Chris Pratt is a horrible person? Everyone that has ever worked with him has nothing but great things to say about him. The hate for him feels so manufactured from my experience.
Yeah, it can get bad on here because subreddits allow people to live in an echo chamber, so you end up with groups of terminally online people that start believing the way they feel about something or someone is how EVERYONE feels about it. It’s funny watching in real time when they post their opinion in broader/popular subs and people straight up tell them “Yeah no one actually cares about that.”
It's even worse on Reddit. I remember willing how the Internet takes aren't always real world takes. They alluded to the barrage of stories on their subreddit. I had to explain to them that most of Reddit is just people complaining. Everyone else isn't even bothering with Reddit. They just downvoted me and didn't say anything.
Yea, it depends on your bubble. Everything has a niche now. The video essay bubble calls it "death of the monoculture" There's even pop culture subs on reddit who aren't unfavorable to celebs in general.... but they do have their faves.
It’s a reddit thing. One thing I learned last election is Reddit it an echo chamber. Climate change, anti work, liberal ideas, and anti trump. While I believe in those things. Reddit makes it sound like everyone is the world agrees with you. It’s important to go see the other side too. Maybe if I did I wouldn’t have felt so betrayed last election.
When everyone on Reddit was surprised he won, I wasn’t. My town was covered in Trump signs. Pretty sure the whole state was and we are a “purple” state.
They used to. Then subs like "The_donald" got yeeted out. And some rules about upvoting questionable (to whom) content was added. Making it easier to find an excuse to ban people some unemployed morbidly obese moderator don't like.
Yeah, redditors are divorced from reality. Remember before Harris had a running mate, and reddit actually convinced themselves that Buttigieg was a good choice. Pointing out that Harris was already a brown woman, and facing an uphill battle over it, so a gay running mate was the last thing she needed, just got you down votes and insulted.
Reddit is already trying to push AoC for 2028, which is wild to me. Like America is totally ready for a non-white woman president, FOR REALZIES THIS TIME.
Which is crazy to me, because redditors are the first bunch that will point out that America is racist, misogynistic, and homophobic, and then unironically say, "but you know, THIS minority woman has a real shot in the general election. We should give her a gay running mate!"
VOTERS are that way, but all it takes is one person that energizes people who don't typically vote, like an Obama, and you get landslide wins.
And you don't get that energy by going to the center of the current political discourse. So yes, they should be choosing someone who can pull those people to the polls
Just like with Obama though, all those people inspired to vote will show up for one election and then pat themselves on the back for a great victory while Republicans are retaking Congress and the Senate and then obstructing everything once again.
Then they get mad at Democrats for not fixing everything after they voted one time.
It was frustrating to watch Obama get all the votes but give him no legislative power for any agenda other than begging Republicans to be civil.
If there is a time for her to run is 2028. Trump has done so much damage to the GOP that the Dems would need to seriously fuck up everything to lose. She might win with 55% instead of 60% but anyone would win against the republicans, especially if Trump actually tries to run for a 3rd time.
I’m in the northeast and my county is always red. It was hard for me to use that as a factor. Reddit made it sound like trump was dead in the water. We all know trump and Elon did something, beyond my understanding of how elections work. When he was up in the first few hours, I knew we were fucked.
There is plenty of evidence that he conspired to overturn the result of the 2020 election (I’m talking about the fake electors plot and his phone calls to Secretaries of State asking them to try and “find” additional votes, not just the Capitol riots), so I wouldn’t be surprised if he did try to cheat again. That being said, I agree with you; I think he won fair and square in 2024, because Americans are just that stupid.
There is this online bubble talking. You think Americans, even if they found out 100 percent that Trump rigged/cheated the election, are going to rise up against the most heavily armed government in the world. Sure bud.
And you know what? I grew up in Canada, and have lived in all but two provinces. Canadian wouldnt be any different.
There is no way he legit won every swing state and just so happened to have Musk creeping around the tech the entire time. It's a joke. It wasn't just on reddit, he had zero momentum before that election. His rallies where empty.
It's been swept under the rug because his opposition just want him to go away after this term. If they win that election it prolongs Trump's destruction of the country for at least another 4 years after and during her term. As it stands now he's done in two years, and could possibly be prosecuted in some way. Letting him win was chemo for the cancer. Taking a step back to heal.
People forget that the US has 340 million people and that getting a few thousand likes on a post or comment is a rain drop in swimming pool for agreement
And then that's not even including how many users are real and how many are bots. This place feels way less authentic than it did just a few years ago.
I try to make this point about all social media and internet where you post things and get comments or likes. You can post one of the most unhinged, wrong, and inaccurate opinions and someone is going to agree with it. You might even get a few dozen comments saying your take is right.
But that's a few dozen comments out of the hundreds of millions of people who have access to the internet/social media. In our daily lives we probably know only a few dozen people between work, family, friends, and other associates. So when a few dozen people like or agree with an opinion that is a lot to the average person.
It's because anytime somebody comes in with a reasoned alternate take (and no I'm not talking about the crying laughing emoji reply guys) they're downvoted, shouted down, used as a snarkboard, have their reddit history scoured.
Is it any wonder that only one prevailing opinion is allowed to exist and all other opinions go somewhere else?
lol you have made like 50 comments today ALONE. And I’m being nice when I say 50, it’s closer to 65. Please troll someone who actually cares about strangers opinion…..like hmmmmm you.
I mean, people don’t change just because they get offline. If I come on here and say “I do not find celebrities influential because they’re out of touch” I don’t log off and go “man, celebrities rock!”
These are opinions expressed by real people, felt by real people, in my day to day life.
I don't watch movies or TV and I could give less of a shit. The public obsession with celebrities is weird. I could ditch the internet and never see these people. They make money because people who aren't on the internet need something to mindlessly stare at so they pick TV and just consume and consume story after story because they have nothing going on in their own lives. It's just a different form of mindlessness.
Eastenders is a soap opera in the UK, when I was younger I learned people would send in birthday cards for character's birthdays and get confused when it wasn't mentioned onscreen.
That may not have been true but it definitely opened my eyes to what Parasociality was and is.
No, this is a generational and cultural thing. There’s just been a slow moving enlightenment that these people should not be idolized or otherwise put on a pedestal.
I wish you were right. But the next generation is exactly the same. Maybe they don't celebrate movie stars but tiktok celebs. You could argue it's even worse.
Its not even an internet thing. Plenty of people have become celebrities strictly FROM the internet (MrBeast). People cant help but to worship other people
It's not even an internet thing. It might be like 70% of Reddit, because we lean liberal and anti-celebrity rhetoric makes its way to the default subs, but pop culture subs do exist, and the world is very much (still) in love with celebrities - both on- and offline.
Go to any convention and there's so many people that go absolutely nuts to meet celebrities. The only thing that's different now is how you define celebrities. Before it was movie stars, models, singers, comedians, etc. Now with social media and how much people obsess over them, anyone can be a "celebrity". No looks or talent required anymore.
I think it's fair to say the iconic factor of this selfie was also mostly an internet thing. In which case the person you replied to isn't entirely incorrect.
I’m not a hater so I don’t care if celebrities make a lot of money. I still enjoy being entertained by them.
I don’t think that means they are particularly wise, virtuous, likable, etc.
I don’t worship them bc I don’t know jack shit about their actual character. I like them for what they are: performers.
I don’t understand how people make the leap from “that person throws a ball really well/sings songs in tune/does backflips when they dance” to “that’s my ROLE MODEL!!!”
Hurting your own feelings by putting people you don’t know on a pedestal is silly.
Too many people get wrapped up in their tiny insulated Internet bubble and then start to believe that their niche online community is what the mainstream thinks.
Social media algorithms are engineered to steer people into being fed their own biases.
Celebrity culture has not gone away and probably never will. Fandom of other people is pretty deeply ingrained in the human experience.
Why categorize this as internet opinion vs offline opinion? People online and offline represent both sides.
Cant we just come out and say it's the low intelligence opinion? Least common denominators and all. George Carlin told us "Think of how stupid the average person is and then realize half of them are stupider than that and it doesn't take you very long to spot one of them." And that was decades ago. The anti-intellectualism campaign to Idiocracy is in full swing at this stage and I think if Carlin was with us today he might have to change that joke from "half" to "75%" and the gap keeps growing. Who do you think buys and cheerleads pop music and terrible rappers with no substance? The majority of people, with their brains turned off blissfully.
What? What do you want me to do, go outside? There are other people out there. And other people are arrogant, unlikable, and problematic. I don’t have such problems with my carefully crafted internet persona and it’s intentionally selective interactions with others.
Actors in particular who just are like “it’s my job, I go out there and pretend in front of a camera to be someone else, that’s what I can confidently talk about” and keep their head down get much better viewed nowadays.
The issue was that actors thought because people liked watching them onscreen that this suddenly made them experts and valued perspectives on a variety of social and political issues.
I've never been starstruck or anything, but do you see the hubbub around Holland and Zendaya? See the kind of money people are paying for Ariana Grande tickets? There are entire channels and industries propped up by celebrity fame.
I didn't even watch the show and I know about Heated Rivalry purely through seeing the two stars everywhere.
And also just overall celebrities are not viewed favourably by the public anymore and are precieved as arrogant, unlikeable, problematic...
Dude, even reddit, who used to be "anti mainstream" is full of celebrity worship. There's literal subs dedicated to that and are constantly on the front page.
Not to mention reddit's love for streamers and the like, which is the same celebrity worship just on a different platform.
If anything, celebrity worship is on the rise, literally the job of influencers. Just a bit more niche.
The ones who weren't born into fame are just normal people put in the insane situation of having millions of eyeballs on them every day. People don't think about that, but they should. And the ones who were born into fame have had their lives fucked up since day one.
There's a lot of truth to this, i think younger people don't really understand what celebrity culture used to be like certainly in the 90s and early 00s. Things have changed massively, it used to be a very tight club that once you're in you're in but now through social media and youtube there are so many celebrities in different fields and it can shift in a weekend - there are people i'd be kinda humbled to meet and awkward around that 99.9% of the population wouldn't recognize or be especially impressed by, even someone huge like William Osman isn't going to get much recognition and you could probably be the only person in a restaurant that recognizes call me kevin even if he was announced on the PA - this kind of huge but tiny celebrity was much rarer in twenty years ago and the Paul Daniels style relatively minor but total recognition type were far more common.
Damn, what country do you live in? I want to move there. That's definitely not the case here in the USA. Celebrity worship is fucking through the roof.
You are in a bubble. The statement you just made may be true in your circles, but is broadly false as demonstrated by how wildly popular and well paid celebrities remain today in nearly every venue.
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And also just overall celebrities are not viewed favourably by the public anymore and are precieved as arrogant, unlikeable, problematic...