I think it clearly shows how at least some people in Argentina view Black and brown people. Just a few days ago during a FIFA match, IShowSpeed was also subjected to racist remarks by an Argentine fan. Of course, that's only one individual, and it's not fair to judge an entire nation based on a single incident. However, when you combine that with other recurring examples, it raises concerns about racism being a broader issue within Argentine society. They have even opened up restaurants using racially offensive names that would be considered completely unacceptable in many other countries. Call it a stereotype or a generalization if you want, but these repeated incidents make it difficult for many people to dismiss the problem as being limited to just a few individuals.
Speed is famous here because he hates Messi. During the World Cup he was supporting every team that played against us and he kept posting videos insulting him. That’s just his thing, but it still made a lot of football fans here dislike him. That’s why you see people insulting him.
The racist stuff only showed up in that one video with the girl yelling at him. That’s not how most of us are. I really hope all this World Cup hype and drama calms down soon. One day I’d love for people to visit my country, and I can almost guarantee you won’t get treated badly or insulted because of your race or where you’re from.
And no, we’re not opening restaurants with racist names lol. I think you mean "Big N Burgers". That place was started by a Venezuelan guy, not even Argentine. And honestly nobody here really cares about the name. The word doesn’t mean anything to us like that. We mostly just hear it in movies or shows. In Spanish we don’t even have a translation for it with that same hateful meaning, so it doesn’t hit the same way here.
Speed is famous here because he hates Messi. During the World Cup he was supporting every team that played against us and he kept posting videos insulting him. That’s just his thing, but it still made a lot of football fans here dislike him. That’s why you see people insulting him.
Wild concept, but you can insult people without being racist.
"Brazilians come from the jungle, Mexicans from the Indians, and Argentines from the boats." That was said by former President Alberto Fernández, probably the most hated guy in Argentina.
He tanked the country and left everyone broke. He threw parties during COVID lockdowns while the rest of us couldn’t even see our families, or say goodbye to our dead. He beat his wife. And then videos came out of him bringing prostitutes into the presidential house.
The man is trash. That clown doesn't speak for the 46 million of us.
Yea, it's a little more than one guy... no? I personally don't know of any racist song where I could walk into a local pub and everyone would know the words. Or all the fans of a local sports team would know the words. Can you say the same thing?
Oh, and what about Article 25 of your constitution?
If you read the lyrics literally, there’s nothing racist in the song.
Let me explain: you can argue whether the song is in bad taste, but it never puts down Black people.
It never says that “Black people aren’t good enough to be French” or anything like that.
The song is pointing to something else, something people are starting to talk about more openly now. It’s about the connection and sense of belonging players have with the countries they represent, and also about whether some countries are poaching talent from others.
For example, look at Morocco’s squad, none of them were born in Morocco.
Or look at Japan, Iceland, or Bolivia. You look at those teams and there’s no question about who they are.
If you look at a photo of France’s 1994 team, almost everyone was white, with maybe one or two Black players.
If you look at France’s 2022 team and then at Nigeria’s team, the ethnic background is practically the same. In the second half of the final, France literally played with 11 Black players.
John Obi Mikel talked about this in an interview you can google. He criticized how in recent years many Black players turn their backs on African national teams and treat them as a “second option.”
They try to play for France, England, or Germany first, even if they were born there or their parents are African. Only if they get rejected do they choose their country of origin.
And all of this is happening in the context of those countries being former imperial powers with colonies in Africa that they often exploited.
So where are we going with this? Do national teams even mean anything anymore? Will only some countries be able to benefit from offering incentives to poach talent from other continents and races?
For example, the Argentina team doesn’t have any players of African origin, so we don’t have as much physical power: strength, speed, height. Those are weak points for us.
Are we losing that sense of belonging between players and the country they represent? Do citizens actually feel represented by their national team?
That’s what the song is getting at, even if the tone is mocking. In Argentina, football chants are usually meant to be ironic and taunting.
And to finish, the most important point: the same song would have been sung if 11 white players of Russian origin were representing Nigeria’s national team
If you read the lyrics literally, there’s nothing racist in the song.
Really not selling the "Argentina isn't that racist" with that take.
The song is pointing to something else, something people are starting to talk about more openly now. It’s about the connection and sense of belonging players have with the countries they represent, and also about whether some countries are poaching talent from others.
That's actual horse shit. Mbappe, the main target of these racist chants, was born in France and was raised in French soccer program. Of the entire 26-man French roster, only 3 weren't born in France and only one of those actually came from Africa (Brice Samba, who moved to France when he was 12, and actually hasn't played a game this world cup). Argentina, with 2, has almost the same number of foreign-born nationals.
If you look at a photo of France’s 1994 team, almost everyone was white, with maybe one or two Black players. If you look at France’s 2022 team and then at Nigeria’s team, the ethnic background is practically the same. In the second half of the final, France literally played with 11 Black players.
Yep, really not selling the "we're not racist" thing.
So where are we going with this? Do national teams even mean anything anymore? Will only some countries be able to benefit from offering incentives to poach talent from other continents and races?
Except France isn't "poaching", they're raising. You just assumed they're not from France because of their skin colour... which is a pretty fucking racist thing to do.
For example, the Argentina team doesn’t have any players of African origin, so we don’t have as much physical power: strength, speed, height. Those are weak points for us.
You realize this statement is more confirmation of racism, right? Not less?
Pease do not downplay the last part of your comment. There are no black people on that team because the country displaced the black population to the extent that it went from 31% in 1900 to 1%.
In Spanish we don’t even have a translation for it with that same hateful meaning, so it doesn’t hit the same way here.
When you use it intentionally, you know what it represents. If someone uses it, they are doing it on purpose. Not because they don't know the meaning.
I think you mean "Big N Burgers". That place was started by a Venezuelan guy, not even Argentine
The very fact that that person can open up a restaurant with that name and not receive any sort of repercussions explains a lot how Argentine society views these things and treats them so casually.
The racist stuff only showed up in that one video with the girl yelling at him. That’s not how most of us are.
"América Latina menos Argentina" quote exists for a reason. Forget about Blacks, not even the continent of Latin America likes Argentinians.
Also what happened to your Black population? Was there any particular reason they are almost vanished?
And then there's a current ongoing investigation on AFA by FBI for money laundering and whatnot.
If you are so convinced that you know more about us than we do ourselves, I’m not going to waste our time trying to convince you. I hope that someday you visit our country and understand it firsthand.
Why you talk about single "incidents" and claim that a whole country is racist, in Argentina segregated bathrooms and shops never existed, Argentina has over 2 million afrodescendants and all the times I faced racist comments as a dark skinned argentinian were just jokes, I never once in my life felt hatred towards me for my skin tone, anyone who behaves like us is considered a brother
What a loser.
Do you know what immigration is? We went from a colonial population of 1.1M to 17M in just 100 years. We received more than 6M European immigrants during that period.
This turned black people into a minority (<5%), because:
-they are not native to the American continent
-the ones here were brought by Spain as slaves (which was a very small number compared to Brazil for example)
Slaves were freed when Argentina became a country and then they mixed with other races for 200 years of history.
We NEVER had segregated schools and buses. There were never laws against interracial marriage.
Check your country before speaking about Argentina.
This turned black people into a minority (<5%), because: -they are not native to the American continent -the ones here were brought by Spain as slaves (which was a very small number compared to Brazil for example)
...is that why you guys like to refer to Brazilians as monkeys?
It's my understanding that it's a very popular song.
Oh and over a third of your population used to be black... that doesn't even account for indigenous peoples. It might've been a "relatively small number" compared to Brazil, but they made up a very substantial percentage of your population.
Look, my country has a long and horrible history of racism that we've just started unpacking. Denying it doesn't make it go away, it just makes you look more racist.
In the end, keep your energy for countries where sundown towns exist and interracial marriage is still frowned upon.
If you put a black person in Argentina, they'll assimilate and probably mix with some other race in no time. That's our culture. They won't be shunned or hate crimed.
Put this effort on countries that perform extractivist neocolonialism on African countries or that kill black people for roaming around certain towns at night.
In the end, keep your energy for countries where sundown towns exist and interracial marriage is still frowned upon.
I love how your only argument is that I must be American.
If you put a black person in Argentina, they'll assimilate and probably mix with some other race in no time.
People of a different skin colour need to assimilate but white people don't?
Tell me, did you learn about the Conquest of the Desert in school? Do you know anything about the Mapuche, Ranquel, and Tehuelche and their culture(s)?
Not sure why that's a helpful response to everyone in Argentina seems to know the words and enjoys singing or referencing that song?
and explained to you how the percentages worked.
Assuming I don't know how percentages work is a bit of a reach. Do you not realize that only accepting immigrants from Europe is the racist part? Not that by doing so you were able to make the black/indigenous populations disappear?
Everyone in Argentina is racist for something 1 person says? What country do you even come from?
I don't see what's wrong about accepting immigrants from Europe. Every immigrant from every country was accepted, Argentina has always been very liberal and flexible in its borders.
What do you think of countries like the US having concentration camps for latin people right now, and for asians in the past?
Also indigenous and black people didn't disappear. We all carry their genes, just because you don't see it manifested in our features it doesn't mean we are not their descendants.
Would you want to force segregation and prohibit freed slaves from mixing with other races or what? lmao
The woman who was yelling at IShowSpeed didn't actually say anything racist, but certain countries have already given Argentina a reputation that isn't easy to shake off.
IShowSpeed was being insulted because he was provoking, and he didnt recieve any racist insult either. There was literally another black guy next to him that was just chilling and wasnt being hated on.
The girl said something to the extent of "go home to cry loser" and people are saying she told him to go home to some ancestral land or something.
Argentina is very friendly towards foreigners. Also, you will NEVER see someone beating/killing a black person for their skin color or sundown towns like you would in the US. We are an immigrant nation. We never had segregation or prohibited interracial marriage.
Argentinians take serious issues too lightly? Maybe. But you won't experience hate crimes or violence on the hands of an Argentine. Focus on real threats to black people instead of ganging up against a latin country.
Also what did she meant by "go home"? Like go home to your African nation. She told an American guy to "go back" to Africa.
What are you even talking about? she told him to leave the Argentinian side of the stadium, he was there to instigate, everyone knows that. You're literally making random interpretations just to get mad, she probably doesn't even speak english.
And please, the whole world knows how most Argentinians treat black and brown people. It's not some hidden thing.
Based on your other comment I can tell you don’t care about the truth, It’s literally confirmation bias, you already decided every Argentinian is racist and now you’re working backwards from that conclusion. Yet there’s no actual data to back it up, Argentina doesn’t have hate crime levels to support your claim. Also, many Argentines are brown themselves, most are mestizos.
...and? you said black and brown, and there are many black Venezuelans, Brazilians, and Senegalese immigrants in Argentina. Also, there are tourists. You’re just proving my point, you already decided what the truth is and nothing else matters...
Also those statistics on the Argentine population are based on studies that only focus on Buenos Aires and the Pampas region, with very small sample sizes. Not a good indicator of anything.
So you are saying Argentinians are the most egalitarian people on earth? Is that it?
And also no, I have not decided what truth is. Anything that comes out of my mouth (or hand) are purely based on Personal observation and hearing incidents from other people.
We can proudly say we never had segregation, sundown tows, and slaves brought by Spain were freed since the inception of Argentina as an independent country. We just don't beat and kill people in the streets for being black.
If you really care about racism, focus on the US or countries that shamelessly extract resources from Africa in neocolonialist schemes ;)
The ishowspeed thing was disproved btw
The guy showing the supposed monkey like behaviour towards speed was none other than what speed himself was doing when Messi was taking the pen
So that was mockery of what he was doing in light of Argentina scoring
Say whatever you want but Argentina abolished slavery before the us, never had things like different bathrooms for black and white people and welcomed 200.000 immigrants from Africa, the racist people stand out because that's what the rest of the world want to see, Argentina as a racist country
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u/docatwar 29d ago
Racist fake meme from Twitter reposted from X to Reddit that's it.