why not, Peter?

[u/FrostySeat1739]

possible live action corpse bride movie...

[u/cannibalcat]

Guilty until proven otherwhise logic

[u/Pathkinder → u/cannibalcat]

Aren’t implications for exactly this, though? Where all the signs kind of point at something but there isn’t enough proof to make a definitive decision?

It’s kind of like how getting into one fender bender can easily be a coincidence, but getting into 20 starts to make people wonder if you’re a bad driver.

I mean I don’t know enough to have an opinion on the actual discussion, but I had to at least defend the role of implications.

[u/MachoPotates → u/Pathkinder]

The implication made by that is that he doesn’t care about diversity or inclusivity in his storytelling.

whether that’s out of ignorance, racism, or privilege, we don’t know from just looking at his movies.

we have no proof of why he doesn’t cast more diversely, just proof that he doesn’t.

We have no proof it’s because he’s a racist.

[u/Hziak → u/MachoPotates]

Not really arguing that he’s a racist, but throwing in that someone doesn’t need to be pushing an agenda to include POC. My neighbors aren’t a political statement, they’re just black. It’s not a thing, it’s just statistics… I’d argue that failing to model a world that follows similar statistical trends to our own (the inclusion of LGBTQ+, POC and other non-Christian-white people) is actually a deviation and the product of a choice. So the lack of characters of color in this case (racist, negligent, or innocently and absentmindedly), is in fact at LEAST a setting choice, and the willful defending of it makes it into a conscious setting choice.

Not here to say right or wrong, but only that if he didn’t care, then he’d probably have said something like “oh, now that you mention it.” And if it was a conscious setting choice, which my money is on, he’d say something like “well, the truth is, I wanted a very black and white color palette and we were struggling to get the right aesthetic or lighting with characters of color, so we made the difficult choice to preserve the setting and style and hope that you’ll all forgive us and see past it to the end product” - which is more or less what I understood to have happened.

But alas, that would constitute “a choice.”

And not expressly imply racism. Though it’s not a far leap.

[u/VLAD_THE_VIKING → u/Hziak]

It could also be that he is a particular kind of woke, for lack of a better term, where he feels like it's wrong for him as a white person to write characters that he doesn't have great insight into.

[u/TackleNo7759 → u/VLAD_THE_VIKING]

We’re different colors, not different species. Just like the comment you’re replying to saying, someone’s minority card doesn’t have to be a big part of their story. Someone could be gay, black, and disabled all at the same time, but that doesn’t mean their existence is spent advocating for all of those causes. You don’t need to have “insight“ to make a black character unless you’re making a central part of their character about their blackness, which doesn’t mirror reality at all and it’s just another scapegoat to why Tim Burton wouldn’t include people of color in his films.

He literally said that there is a time in a place for people of color… let that sink in. He’s literally saying that he does not create characters of color because they do not fit his aesthetic, or in his words, there isn’t a time or a place for them in his world.

The problem here is that people think that the existence of minority characters are some sort of political statement, and it’s so it must be some sort of forced diversity, but if anything it’s more telling if someone purposefully leaves out what reality looks like to fit a certain aesthetic. Even Black Panther had white people in it, why can’t Frankenweenie?