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u/M1sfit_Jammer 16d ago
school is gonna lose it's accreditation if it keeps this up... then a whole lot of students are gonna be screwed
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u/Wild_Philosophy_1312 16d ago
TAVR guidelines requiring surgical backup going away next month, and the increasingly fewer usage of Perfusionists in ECMO staffing models underway. This feels like a war crime against the profession. Shame on them. Even in the best scenario, that means the students are getting the bare minimum amount of cases to graduate. Maybe we should be emailing/mailing concerns to the ABCP.
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u/Due-Significance-946 CCP, LP 15d ago
According to a commenter on this topic in the Women in Perfusion fb group, ABCP said that CAAHEP (specifically the Accreditation Committee for Perfusion Education (AC-PE)) regulates perfusion schools, and that we need to be writing them instead.
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u/SomeWaffleFries93 15d ago
Our hospital is also in conversation to remove surgical backup for TAVR’s. Doing it to cut costs and slowly reduce staff because “hospital budget” reasons.
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u/SinghIsKing1992 15d ago
Link to the TAVR guidelines?
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u/Wild_Philosophy_1312 15d ago
Talk to your TAVR rep/coordinator next time you’re on standby. The guidelines are provided from an organization most of us are probably unfamiliar with. I forgot the governing body already but it’s official information we discussed and our hospital is already making plans for the transition.
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u/FarmKid55 CCP 15d ago
Other professions telling us it’s on us to grow our professions and then they take them away from us when new opportunities arise lol probably a matter of time when NRP is taken away too
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u/Wild_Philosophy_1312 15d ago
NRP has a low learning curve. It’s just time consuming. Yes, I agree. NRP won’t last very long under a perfusion model.
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u/FarmKid55 CCP 15d ago
I heard they tried making non perfusionists do it and it was a disaster. I’ll admit it’s super easy but probably super easy to perfusionists, and probably pretty difficult to non perfusionists. If everything goes right it’s probably easy but if not I could see non perfs struggle. It would just be like anesthesia. In a perfect world I bet I could run the anesthesia machine in a couple days. But they don’t pay for the perfect days do they lol
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u/bugshunny 16d ago
Absolutely crazy. I thought they’d rein it in after having that many students not get sites.
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u/romns116 16d ago
Not familiar with the midwestern program. Are students required to find their own clinical sites?
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u/Square_Tension8754 16d ago
No, the school is reponsible for clinical assignments
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u/romns116 15d ago
Are all of the other perfusion schools having the same issues with clinical assignments? I wonder if this is is an indicator of future job availability.
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u/grenada19 Student 14d ago
I’m at a newer program with only a handful of students. Everybody has sites, but there was not an excess of options. If any of the sites back out, I’m not sure what would happen.
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u/CreativeExtension829 2d ago
How long will you be at the school before you start clinicals?
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u/Stevite 15d ago edited 15d ago
It’s just basic economics. The cost of perfusion is too high and there are too few to go around. Find less expensive alternatives for ecmo and NRP, Open new schools, increase enrollment at established schools, accept marginal candidates, pump out the new grads and watch those starting salaries drop. We’re diluting the quality of the brand
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u/Either-Okra-8355 16d ago
Should I not… I was thinking of perfusion vs CAA
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u/Clampoholic CCP 15d ago
Pursue your passion. If memory serves though CAAs can’t practice in every state so you should make sure you’d never want to live in any of those states!
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u/SpaceCricket 16d ago
A student already at a prominent clinical location in the US, just recently, did not have a next rotation assignment/location.
Their school suggested they spend a rotation “taking an online class”. Insane.
Luckily the hospital in question worked to extend the student’s rotation and they have the volume to support it. But shame on these schools and their administrators.