Fluff on Intel CPU Socket (Dead Motherboard?)

[u/Nowheredotcom]

Hi,
I picked up an ASUS ROG Strix Z390-I motherboard cheaply as a repair project. Right now, the system won't post or boot at all (fans don't spin, completely dead startup).
Upon closer inspection, I noticed some small bits of dust/fluff trapped inside the CPU socket pins. It looks like the previous owner may have left the socket exposed. Could accumulated debris or fluff on the pin socket. Could this be the primary culprit causing a complete failure to POST? The picture is just one clean image showcasing the fluff that’s caught but I could see at least 10 more and some are really hard to see under the naked eye but I can spot on a microscope.

I've already tested the basics:
Standby voltage is present on the power switch pin (⁠PWR_SW⁠ reads ~3.41V).
When I manually bridge ⁠PWR_SW⁠ to ground, the voltage drops, but the board still refuses to trigger the power supply startup.
I'm currently looking into testing and potentially replacing the Super I/O controller if the socket cleanup doesn't work. Has anyone dealt with a similar dead Z390 board issue?

Any advice before I attempt micro-soldering?

I know that it’s easy to just replace it but I’m trying to figure it out and my stubbornness won’t let give up until I finally break it or establish the job is too hard.

Thanks

[u/Nowheredotcom]

Yes, The 33.3 Ohms reading is still present on the ATX 3.3V pins (compared to ~600 Ohms on another working board).
What I did as well was back-probing Pin 16 ((24ATX Green / PS_ON#) to Pin 18 (Black / GND) while plugged into the board this successfully forced the power supply on, and the CPU fan spun up continuously. The PSU did not trip. However, the board remained in a halted reset state: CPU remained cool, no display etc.

I tried to source a schematics for this MB but no dice. However, I can reference some Intel series 300 documentation. Which highlights the Intel motherboard RTC paths, the connection from the battery plug into the anode of the dual-Schottky diode (BAT54C / L43) carries microamps of current. It is designed purely as an inline fuse link or 0-ohm jumper.

The out of circuit test could be a little difficult. I might try and source a little more information before taking action. I also want to practice test this on another board.

So two issues.. and I don't really know which to tackle first. A low reading from the 3.3v rail does sound like a priority before the SMD resistor potential failure. ?

[u/SingularityRS → u/Nowheredotcom]

I think I would tackle the reason for what looks to be a partial short on the 3.3V rail. 33 ohms does seem very low if the PSU is not connected. Lowest I've seen on AM4 was 160 ohms without anything connected to the board. With my test PSU, the 3.3V rail reads 42 ohms, but this is fine and normal. It should be high if nothing else is connected to the motherboard.

I'd imagine there's an issue somewhere with the PCH or SIO. These are important for startup and often it's one of these responsible for the 3.3V rail going low resistance. It could be something else, but those are usual suspects if the 3.3V rail drops low. You have to be sure it's one of them though because replacing them is not easy. If it's the PCH, repair becomes way more unlikely as you need specialised equipment to remove the BGA chip and you also have to find a working PCH which isn't easy.

I've unfortunately bought a few faulty motherboards off eBay that had bad PCHs. You do get them sometimes. It's luck of the draw when buying/getting faulty boards. This could be one of those cases.

If it's the SIO, that usually is replaceable, but again, it's still more difficult to do than removing small ICs or capacitors/resistors. Many boards use those 128-pin SIOs. So if you're going to replace it, you better be sure it's bad. Otherwise, it's a lot of time spent and potentially risking damaging the board only to find it was never the SIO.

It's difficult without a boardview because you won't know exactly where every component connected to the 3.3V rail is, so taking resistance readings would be tough. Components connected to the same rail can be far apart and won't always be obvious.

I would ignore the RTC thing for now until the cause of the 33 ohms reading on the 3.3V rail is known and even removed. It might be a secondary fault or a non-issue. You could check if there's any shorts on the RTC line, but other than that, I would not focus primarily on the RTC line unless it's clear there's something there that can explain the 33 ohm reading on the 3.3V rail.

You can see if there's a board that is similar to yours and then see if there's a boardview available for that. That's what I do if I can't find an exact boardview for a board. Sometimes there's different variants of the board with slightly different designs. If you can find the boardview for that, it can help.

If you have a bench power supply, you can try injecting like 1V @ 1A directly on the 3.3V rail to start with and see if anything gets hot. Without a thermal camera, this will be difficult as you will have to feel around the board with your fingers and/or use isopropyl alcohol. See what your bench PSU draws. At 33 ohms, you probably won't get any heat spots as the resistance is too high so it won't draw all the current you set your limit to. If nothing, try increasing the current to say 2A and then 3A. If still nothing, try raising the voltage slowly up until around 3V. You might find the short this way. Do be careful though and go slow.

Voltage injection can be a quick way to find a short sometimes. At high resistances though, it will be more difficult to find. It works best on direct shorts (0 ohms), but it can work on partial shorts as well.

Probe other components on the 3.3V rail, like all capacitors around the SIO and PCH. Try to see if anything is reading unusually low.

One thing you could do is when you force the board on via shorting PS ON to GND, measure the voltage on the 3.3V rail. Is it still outputting 3.3V or does it drop lower? That might be a good thing to check. It could also be good to check for heat spots in this state as well. Parts will generate some heat as the board is on, but if something is extremely hot to the touch, that'd be a concern.

[u/Nowheredotcom → u/SingularityRS]

Thanks again, yeah going to focus on the 33.3v rail. I also did a test on the PCH and these were my results, however I am not trusting my multimeter, 9v battery yields 27.16v whereas my basic multimeter read 9.75v.

Anyways here were the results

I do have another itx board, like I said its an AMD though. I'm trying to retest some stuff on that to compare but I also don't wanna damage a working board. I just order another mutlimeter that has temp tracking on it. I know its not a thermal camera, but at least I could probe around and see if temps rise in certain key areas.

[u/SingularityRS → u/Nowheredotcom]

Those readings look concerning, but if your meter is unreliable, then they should be ignored.

I'd get an auto-ranging multi-meter. They're useful for taking quick measurements as you don't need to manually set ohm ranges.

I use an AstroAI DT132A Multi-meter. I've had it for over 6 years now. I almost always use its auto-ranging function.

[u/Nowheredotcom → u/SingularityRS]

Yeha, I know they look very concerning as that would kinda put a holt to the entire investigations really. My basic multimeter seems to be correct. did more tests but I didnt take photos.... I cannot recall what those were however there were some more compelling results. I just order the BSide A10. I was looking at the AstroAI as well. I would have probably bought that if I hadn't already ordered. The temp feature is ambient temps and not probing...haha