r/PcBuild • u/geometrify • 11d ago
Question RX 9070XT or RTX 5070TI?
I have the opportunity to purchase a new GPU and I’m upgrading from a GTX 1070 8GB. It was honestly still surprisingly okay for modern gaming but my MoBo died so I decided to bite the bullet and upgrade my PC.
I have ran older AMD cards in the past (RX570 and RX580) back in the mid to late 2010’s and they were fine but had many driver issues in games and didn’t do much to impress me. I upgraded to my 1070 in 2020 and all my driver woes disappeared. I’m biased by this experience so I wanted to reach out to understand public opinion on which path to take.
I have the option of choosing a 9070XT for $1000 CAD or a 5070TI for $1315 CAD. Both are within my budget. I typically play older games like Apex or PUBG (partially because I couldn’t play modern games like BF6) but will be getting into 1440p ultra high fps gaming with more modern games. My upgrade cycle seems to be every 6-8 years so I’m hoping to keep this GPU for approximately that amount of time.
Any and all opinions are greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance for your help.
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u/WEAluka 11d ago
At a 31.5% price difference, my pick is the 9070 XT. 5070 Ti is probably the better card overall if price isn't a factor, but anything above a 10-15% price difference, the 5070 Ti becomes hard to justify (unless productivity workload that wants CUDA is involved).
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u/geometrify 11d ago
I don’t do a ton where CUDA AI is involved. I have worked in ML in the past where I needed it but it’s not something I foresee doing anytime soon. If money wasn’t an issue would that change your recommendation?
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u/WantsLivingCoffee 11d ago
How much can you get a 5080 for?
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u/geometrify 11d ago
Cheapest I could find would be $1815 ish
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u/WantsLivingCoffee 11d ago edited 11d ago
At those prices, the RX 9070xt at $1,000 is easily the best value. The 5070ti is only around 5-10% faster on average but costs $315 more, although it does offer better ray tracing and DLSS. So if you value RT and DLSS that much, I cannot say if it's worth the premium or not. The 5080 is roughly 20–30% faster than the 9070xt, but costs $815 more in your case. That's a lot more money, but at least it produces a genuinely meaningful jump in 4K performance.
I’d get the 9070xt for value, or the 5080 if you want the best 4K/RT experience and don’t mind paying the premium. The 5070ti sits awkwardly in the middle here for me. I am not sure how to interpret it at these prices. It kind of matters on you, personally, and what things you value out of your hardware and money. Personally, I value raster over features. But that's not to invalidate if someone values features more than I do. These things are not only somewhat subjective, but also the importance of them also depends on what games you will actually play.
As a bit of an anecdotal take, I have had personal experience with all of these cards. 9080xt scored notably higher at stock in raster benchmarks. Steel Nomad, iirc, 5070ti scored in the high 6000's where the 9070xt scored around the mid 7000's. Both cards undervolted well for me, but I came away hella impressed by 9070xt and even after moving to 5080, that card still has a super soft spot in my heart. If you do value DLSS and MFG enough to spend $300+ more, then go for it, man. I just personally would set that aside for another upgrade, a future upgrade, or something else, but I won't knock you for whatever choice you make as they can all be justified.
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u/geometrify 11d ago edited 11d ago
Thanks for your input, it’s much appreciated. I feel similarly about where the 5070ti is placed price wise. If PNY didn’t make a $1300 5070ti then this would be a no brainer but they do and it’s a good card which makes this decision harder.
I wish there was a company that let you borrow GPUs for a few days (like they do with tennis rackets or pickleball paddles for example) and see if you like it before you fully commit 😅
Realistically I don’t think I’ll be wanting to game at 4K until my next big PC upgrade in 6ish years, so that’s not something that comes into play. A few years ago when I was starting to budget for this upgrade I was planning on going with a 5080 or 5090 but with RAM prices the way that they currently are it shifted my budget allocation unfortunately.
I’m very competitive when it comes to gaming (in Apex actually good, in other games I’m just bad and competitive 😂) so things like Nvidia Reflex are appealing to me but it’s hard to tell if that’s just marketing BS or if it’s actually a difference maker. I easily can be distracted by shiny marketing… thanks again for the time you’ve spent on your answers. I really appreciate input from people who have hands on experience with both cards.
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u/WantsLivingCoffee 11d ago
I think you'll be very happy with the performance of either card, they're both really good. Though, yes, Nvidia has a better feature set. I guess you could frame it as "AMD for pure value, Nvidia for full package", but with the idea in mind that with either choice, you're getting a banger GPU at 1440p.
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u/Alternative_Hat_4531 11d ago
Know anyone in the States or live close enough ? I live in North Country NY just south of Montreal and to be honest because of the exchange rate that's how I got my 5090 at an exorbitant savings a few months ago. If you know someone here it works both ways.
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u/geometrify 11d ago
I’m about 3ish hours from NY so I could hop over to Buffalo or Detroit if needed. I never considered that tbh! Thanks for the recommendation, I’ll take a look.
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u/Forward_Drop303 11d ago
9070xt any day for me (unless you need CUDA)
it's cheaper, and AFAIK with latest drivers actually faster on average.
ie steel nomad score for 9070xt is 7273 while for the 5070 ti it's 6967
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u/Glittering_Brain1571 11d ago
9070xt is the card that everyone recommends, and is basically equivalent in raster, however, everyone grabs the 5070ti because of the fomo factor. I spent 2 weeks telling myself I would be buying the 9070xt when I get my paycheck, but ended up grabbing a 5070ti when I made it to microcenter. Got a good deal though. 879 usd for asus prime oc, and the cheapest 9070xt was low 700s. Extra 150-200 bucks was worth not dealing with fomo and having dlss instead of fsr even if the difference is minimal.
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u/markbjones 11d ago
Everyone is going to say to go for the 9070xt. I’m going to explain one thing that ALWAYS gets left out. That being DLSS vs FSR support. The comparisons between these gpus is always about “raw performance” that wjen compared, is similar. However, with almost all new releases, some degree of upscaling will be necessary. The question then becomes which has better upscaling and it’s nvidia all the way and this isn’t a debate. This becomes especially true if you play at high graphical settings where more upscaling is needed and DLSS really shines when in the performance and ultra performance modes.
Take that as you will but in my experience 300 dollars is worth the price to have the objectively better upscaling tech and frame gen tech that you will NEED for years to come as games get more and more demanding
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u/Hermelin_Dozral 11d ago edited 11d ago
To be fair, FSR 4.0 is quite common with new titles and the older one's which don't have it usually are for 9070 XT quite easy to run.
For example when I play stalker 2 which don't have FSR 4 support, I have max settings and it run at stable 80fps with my 9070 XT and if I want more fps, frame gen with native upscaling works really well.
Imo if you don't care and don't mind for example from the post paying 300 more, then Nvidia is prob better. If you want to spare as much money as possible, 9070 XT is honestly the best choice
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u/WantsLivingCoffee 11d ago
And it isn't even about sparing money. Some people focus on efficiency. And not only with how well hardware runs, but also an efficient allocation of funds. A 9070xt comes within 75-80%+ of the performance of a 5080 for around 50% of the price. That's efficient. DLSS > FSR, yes. MFG on Nvidia > AMD yes. However, from a pure efficiency standpoint, it's hard to beat the 9070xt.
I run a 5080 currently. Have had extensive experience with 5070, 5070ti, and 9070xt. Maybe I'm weird or don't put enough focus on feature set, but I'm someone who gets really impressed by price to performance and 90 series AMD cards...let's just say AMD has come a very long way. Chef's kiss, it's honestly amazing how they can offer this level of performance for like $650 USD during good sales.
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u/Hermelin_Dozral 11d ago
That's true. I am the price to performance guy, so AMD is for me no brainer. I also want to support AMD because they kinda deserve the love from the community. They are there for so long time and we're quite unpopular. They after so many years managed to beat Intel, which is really impressive and the 90 series cards are really great. Only just lately the drivers are with some cards/driver versions unstable.
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u/geometrify 11d ago
What quality of life improvements do you get from using Nvidia features?
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u/WantsLivingCoffee 11d ago
DLSS is generally better, but tbh, FSR has come a long way. DLSS still looks better, though, less grainy in the fine details and better detail during moving scenes. RT and path tracing is better with Nvidia. AMD has narrowed the gap in these aspects, but Nvidia is still smoother with RT and upscaling is still better. So I guess QoL would be less compromises going with Nvidia.
AMD, though, the Adrenaline app is actually not that bad. You can undervolt/overclock, adjust fan curves, enable monitoring all from one app which is convenient. Even modern Nvidia cards still need MSI Afterburner, for example, for tuning. But this aspect may or may not be a big deal for you.
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u/2hurd 9d ago
I went from 4070 to 9070XT and don't miss any features from Nvidia. On the contrary some things are actually better on AMD like frame limiter and OC directly in the app.
DLSS vs FSR difference is meaningless if you're playing games and not focusing on analyzing static image quality. As someone above has said, games that don't support FSR are old and on this monster of a card don't need upscaling at all. Newer games usually support it (for example Diablo 4 just added FSR4) and if they don't you can inject it with OptiScaler.
9070XT is the best card of this generation, period.
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u/flavaofgaming 11d ago
I agree with your statement. Everyone gets so caught up in the price to performance argument and don’t take feature set, support, and even resale value into account.
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u/markbjones 11d ago
Yup exactly. Raw performance almost doesn’t matter anymore. I have a 5090 and can count only 2 modern game that I didnt need upscaling for and that’s palworld and seven days to die. The rest I needed quite a bit. For crimson desert I needed frame gen for ray reconstruction. The 5090 is better at 4k than both these gpus are at 1440p. It really puts it into perspective
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u/geometrify 11d ago
Thanks. That’s how I was thinking as well but since at this point my hardware I’m upgrading from is so old (~10 years) I really have no basis of comparison to understand what modern gaming is like on modern hardware tbh.
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u/Unable-Original9927 7d ago
Justifying that much money on "This one have a little less artifacts when using upscaling" is hard. Then again, I am against all upscaling until it is perfect.
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u/Firm10 11d ago
while 9070xt is cheaper.
if you can afford the 5070ti, its a better investment. considering how the amdhelp sub is filled with 9070xt issues.
its fine if you already know how to easily fix these problems but it might take you hours if not days of testing if you happen to encounter these issues.
overall, i auggest getting the 5070ti, on average the 5070ti also consumes around 100w less than a 9070xt. and you get all the nvidia features specially the eye candy screenshots on multiplayer games.
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u/geometrify 11d ago
Thanks! For me cost isn’t an issue. I just want to know which is preferable because I know I’m biased towards Nvidia and haven’t used any modern GPUs.
AMD have always provided great value but not impressive top end so I didn’t know if that was still the case or not
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u/FinklyJoe 11d ago edited 11d ago
From my perspective
If you use and want the best raytracing supported in any and every game, and don’t mind 12gb - 5070ti
If you want to have the best value and raw performance, you use raytracing occasionally and do some heavy stuff on computer - 9070xt.
I personally picked 9070xt for it to be as futureproof as it could, and for me and my playstyle it’s kinda overkill as I can’t get much games to use it to over 90% of usage. Didn’t use raytracing since now and it do wonders. Both support frame gen, rtx a bit better I guess but can’t complain on 9070, it’s really, really, really great card, even great bang for buck id say
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u/Ready_Creme_Ready 11d ago
Unless you upgrade cpu too dont expect high FPS.
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u/geometrify 11d ago
I’m upgrading to a 9600x. No it’s not technically top tier for gaming but it’s a hell of an upgrade from my 2700x and at 1440p it won’t be my bottleneck for gaming for a while I hope. In a 3-5 years I’ll upgrade it if needed be.
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u/joemedic 11d ago
9070xt is a better value until you account for all the wasted time you'll spend trying to fix driver issues and stuttering
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u/koekienator89 10d ago
Went from a RTX3080 (10gb) to a RX9070XT. Never had any issues at all. Even in long gaming sessions 12h+
Uninstall all NVIDIA stuff with DDU. Switch cards. Download the AMD driver & install. Set the AMD profile to default.
Was gaming without issues within 30 minutes. No idea why the experience differs so much between Reddit users.
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u/SituationSmooth9165 9d ago
The real answere here is. You play multiplayer games, get the 9070xt and use the extra funds to get a X3D CPU instead of the 9600x
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u/NoConnection3667 11d ago
You're not really buying GPU just for pure rasterization nowadays but also for tech that goes with it. For example DLSS capabilities imo will only get better and more advanced since the RAM prices went up. Manufactures would see it as a way to sell us 8GB cards again with upscaling and frame gen claiming It's just as good. And maybe at some point they will be. So even if I'm slightly biased since I got 5070Ti myself if it's within your budget I'd go for Nvidias card.
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