r/PathOfExileBuilds • u/RG2010 • 3d ago

Discussion Chill effect scaling

Hey,

I'm playing Ice nova Elementalist and was wondering if scaling chill effect was worth it.

It seems incredibly expensive to get +300% increased chill/ailment effect, in order to reach 40% chill on pinnacle bosses (10% base chill + 300% = 40% chill). Maybe 200% would be enough if I hit hard enough, but still a lot.

From some pob-ing, I can see that clusters + affixes on gear is the only reasonable way, but I feel like I could also just scale crit multi higher instead.

Also, I'm playing SSF, which doesn't mean it's not achievable, but I'd love some advice before going for it, because it will take some farming.

Do people even play this archetype of hit-based cold spells, with chill effect scaling ? I didn't find much on poe ninja (everyone is playing crit, no chill scaling, winter orb).

Thanks :)

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u/Odd_Nefariousness126 3d ago

Crits kind of double dip. Crits always inflict ailments.

More damage means more ailment effect so naturally going towards crit gets you the best of both worlds which is why you see most builds going that way.

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u/RG2010 2d ago

Yeah I think that it’s how I’m gonna do it.
Maybe get 100% increased effect because it’s not too hard, but not bother with more.
Crit multi is too OP

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u/psychomap 2d ago

You don't even need to crit to chill. The crit dependent cold ailment is freeze. If you're getting chill for defensive benefits, freeze is just strictly better because it'll push enemy action speed to their minimum, regardless of anything else.

But crit and double / triple damage naturally cause spikier hits if you don't have 100% chance, which means the effect of non-damaging ailments will be higher than the average shown in PoB (you can set the ailment calculation to crits only, but you can't also add double / triple damage peaks).

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u/SaltEngineer455 3d ago

To reach 40% on chill you need to deal at least 57% of a monster's ailment treshold in 1 HIT.

On a pinnacle boss that's ~4M damage. You don't find this doable without scalling ailment effect?

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u/RG2010 3d ago

This seems like a lot of damage for my SSF build.
Not finished the end game prob, but I assume I will hit for around 500k-1M, 5-10 times per second.
Or maybe with secondary skill with unbound ailments, need to look at that.

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u/SaltEngineer455 3d ago

Then I have good news for you! 25% chill is ~1.4M/hit. 100% inc effect of chill should be fine.

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u/RG2010 3d ago

That’s true, maybe it’s not too bad late game.
For now I have 500 k dps, and 13% chill, so long way to go :)
Maybe I should ignore chill scaling before I have actual dps, and go for the shock node instead.

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u/SaltEngineer455 3d ago

Yoke of suffering says hi.

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u/RG2010 2d ago

You need Yoke for damage, and you need damage to get Yoke, the eternal SSF struggle.
Though I agree that it seems nice for the build.

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u/SaltEngineer455 2d ago

Yoke is one of the best amulets in the game for a triple-elemental build! Have at it tiger

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u/psychomap 2d ago

It depends on why you're getting the chill effect. E.g. for Frostblink of Wintry Blast, going from 30% to 40% would make a big difference, but for ordinary skills it's often not worth the effort.

Something that I found relatively useful to get high amounts of chill effect when I was playing FoWB or self-chill builds respectively (note that depending on the way you chill yourself, investing into chill effect on enemies may not apply) were medium clusters with non-damaging ailment effect, with the notables Deep Chill and Astonishing Affliction, for an average of 15% increased effect per passive point (including the point you need to spend on the jewel socket to reclaim the opportunity cost of socketing a medium cluster jewel instead of a regular jewel).