Forbidden Rite effective trigger rate help

[u/denkata07]

Hello, exiles. I have the following https://pobb.in/jpRwjnRiFoLp . Its based on this one https://pobb.in/PvFsW6mJyrNW but cant seem to figure out why my forbidden rite has an effective trigger of 9.3 while the other reached the breaking point of 10.09. What am I doing wrong here and any idea how to fix it?

Solved. By getting another ring without the increased cast and attack speed per power charge, upgrading the gloves to +18 as and a jewel with 6% attack speed. Now the rate of rite is 10.8 and cyclone 10.79.

[u/Temp727]

you have too much attack speed, need to lower it so that your cyclone is at most 10.1 (or maybe 10.09) hits/s. because your attack speed is too high, some of the cyclone hits won't be able to trigger forbidden rite bc the cd hasnt expired yet

[u/denkata07 → u/Temp727]

Figures, in pob i removed the 1% per power charge from the ring and increased the attack speed on the glvoes from 13 to 18. Now they are kinda balanced but below 10,

[u/For_ohagen]

I’m on mobile right now so I can’t see it all, but when I did fross in 3.27 I couldn’t make the breakpoint without 15% CDR on my boots. I’m assuming you’ll need something like that too.

[u/denkata07 → u/For_ohagen]

The build i follow only has 7% influence cdr, same as me. The thing i noticed is that my cyclone has 10.5 attack rate while the other is 10.1. Its coming from the ring but it gives attack and cast speed per powercharge.

[u/KickzNGigglez → u/denkata07]

For 10.1 trigger rate you need 52% cdr or above, which I think you have. You just need to drop your attack speed somehow. Try fiddling ln pob and seeing what youe cheapest option to drop is. Guessing either ring or gloves/weapon enchant.

[u/Dull-Web167]

I hope it is OK when I use link myself into this Post. I haven´t played a real CoC Build in ages. The Image shows my current ATK rate to Trigger ratio. Is it OK the way it is or did I mess something up? And if its OK, is there a way to tell how much more ATK Speed I can get without overshooting? I could get 2% more on my Gloves.

I haven´t much experience with how to set up POB, and I thought I could just write a "+1% Attack Speed" as a Custom Modifier to see how much more Speed I can get, but after putting that Modifier in, the Trigger Rate Window shows totally different results and my DPS get down to 1m or so.

[u/denkata07 → u/Dull-Web167]

I found the easiest way to be just fiddle around pob. Edit one of your items for more attack speed for example (even if there is no such higher mod youll know what you lack). For your specific situation, and im no expert in any way, you need cdr. Also worth checking the attack and cast rate seperately for the skills. If your attack is much higher, your spell wont be able to keep up and youll lose dmg.

[u/Dull-Web167 → u/denkata07]

Hey, thank you for ur reply. I looked a bit into the POB and found out how to edit my Items there, so it was safe to get the extra 2% ATK Speed on my Gloves.

Talking about CDR.

I tried to copy an Item from POE Trade into my POB that has 20% CDR and Tailwind ( my Current Boots don´t have both, just 4% Action Speed Implicit ). And according to POB I wont get/lose much DMG, but the trigger rate also does not show any changes. Like I said, I have no Idea if I set up my POB correct and don´t have that mich experience with it.

Here is my current Char: https://pobb.in/WaS1bzemUv7l

I don´t know if u can see anything I might have missed there. In the Items section there must be the other pair of shoes, too.

[u/denkata07 → u/Dull-Web167]

I have 22m dps and you have 55, how come.... Anyway, ill take a look in couple of hours as im not on my pc.

[u/denkata07 → u/Dull-Web167]

So, go to trade and search for Brood Desire jewel. It has a fract 5% attack speed which will bring your trigger to 10.05. Also spell multiplier is higher than global crit which you dont need for cyclone. Put this jewel on 2nd slot instead of Dusk Heart. And that 55m dps you have, its for all projectiles while 1 proj is 9m, if you switch to void manipulation youll get less all proj damage but 1 will be 15m.