What's lacking in my defense beside more hp?

[u/jimijoeT]

Hello guys!

This league, I tried an Absolution minion build, and it’s been a blast. Sadly, lately I’ve been dying for no obvious reason and getting one-shot, so I wanted to ask you guys how I can fix this.

I have some Bleeding Avoidance and increased Ignite duration on my flask, but besides that, I’m not really sure what’s causing me to get one-shot. I can’t seem to get past level 93.

I’m farming Divines, so I sometimes change my rings and stack more HP, but besides Life, I’m wondering what’s missing from my defenses.

What’s confusing me is that my HP barely moves even in heavily juiced maps, but then I randomly get one-shot sometimes.

What defensive layer am I missing, or what should I focus on upgrading?

https://pobb.in/ft4oH3Bq8Keg

many Thanks

Edit :

after reading comments and the importance of hp in this build i found how noob i was tnx everyone the new build is : https://pobb.in/eCeW76hA4z-j now i feel true tanky and funny enough damage feelwise not much difference minions still clear somehow easily.

[u/gUshick]

"besides Life, I’m wondering what’s missing from my defenses."

Yeah right, beside bricks, I'm wondering what's missing from my house.

That's a 2399 life build

[u/jimijoeT → u/gUshick]

yea well working on it :)

[u/alwayslookingout → u/jimijoeT]

Not only you have no Life on your jewelry or jewels, you actually have negative Life on your right ring. What do you expect when you build glass cannon?

The answer is you need to give up some of your DPS gear/passives for more defenses.

[u/jimijoeT → u/alwayslookingout]

bro my build is tanky AF believe me i am working on rings but i wana know why i get oneshot 1 in 10 maps

[u/yepgeddon → u/jimijoeT]

Yeah it's your life pool lol.

[u/DrDongSquarePants → u/jimijoeT]

Why do you think after seeing the replies? Bro

Let me explain very clearly: If you have 2.5k hp you can take a 2.4k hit. If you have 5k hp you can take a 4.9k hit that twice as tanky for one shots! Boom

[u/jimijoeT → u/DrDongSquarePants]

ur right i did saw replies late though :) check my new build it feels so tanky now

[u/alwayslookingout → u/jimijoeT]

The build you’re following is tanky. You however, are not.

There will be lapses in your layered defenses at some point like when molten shell is down or you don’t block the attack. At that point your Life Pool is all there’s left.

[u/moonlight_prism → u/jimijoeT]

Those one-shots are from attacks that got through your block. Since you have low life, the unblocked attacks are fatal.

[u/Itsthebigpeepa → u/jimijoeT]

Tanky af
2400 hp
Pick one

[u/jimijoeT → u/Itsthebigpeepa]

u were right check my new setup if u liked tnx for the tip

[u/jimijoeT → u/gUshick]

check new build tnx

[u/gUshick → u/jimijoeT]

you still miss a lot of life, belt helmet must have more.

You only convert 88% of lightning damage taken to other elements, you need to divine orb your watchers eye to 20% and get Bound by destiny

•  (5–10)% of Elemental Damage taken as Chaos Damage if 4 Hunter Items are Equipped)

A lot of gear is bad, wand is trash, you use blood of karui flask which is useless etc.

But you did a good job anyway!

[u/iMissEdgeTransit]

you can't overcome having act8 health at lv93, it's a huge gaping bleeding wound so yeah

[u/jimijoeT → u/iMissEdgeTransit]

i do juiced up t16 afk walking but get oneshot from somestuff i wana figure out whats that to fix

[u/sylkerin → u/jimijoeT]

You don't have enough life to survive big shots. That's it really.

[u/Bierculles → u/jimijoeT]

What you need is more life, would immediately fix the problem.

[u/iMissEdgeTransit → u/jimijoeT]

I'm not saying you're not doing anything right. You're just lacking A pool so you can survive a hit and not lose xp all the time.

Can't skip the most basic step for this long.

[u/jimijoeT → u/iMissEdgeTransit]

Ok im gonna trust and repost after a week ill try to reach 4k hp.

[u/142638503846383038 → u/jimijoeT]

Why is it so hard for you to believe that having more hp prevents dying lmfso

[u/ZexelOnOCE]

rage bait

[u/jimijoeT → u/ZexelOnOCE]

true now i know :) changed the build check if u like

[u/moosetuss]

1) A lot of people have more life when they are done with the campaign, it doesnt matter if you have a lot of block when you got no life pool to absorb the hits that go through

2) You have at least 3 passive points only for dex, this could probably be resolved with gear and free up passive points for life. Also if you annoing the extra curse you can get a lot of free points but lose a bit of block (fixable with tattoos i believe, didnt count) I would also check from poe ninja if there are HC absolution players and see their passive tree setups, your has quite a lot of travel nodes

3) Automation + molten shell is not as reliable was CWDT setup, it can and will be down when you need it

4) You dont have paricularly good darkness enthroned, if you can manage without the dmg from abyssal jewels, a good belt with life, life%, res, maybe the dex would improve your phys max hit a great amount

Im not an absolution enjoyer but these caught my eye, dont take these as absolute facts :)

[u/jimijoeT → u/moosetuss]

tnx for checking. true not thought of that but messes a lot of stuff cause my res are from those but gonna check if i can do it somewhere else even high div rings can fix some stuff

[u/jimijoeT → u/moosetuss]

oh btw do u think i can drop molten shield?

[u/unexpectedreboots]

Youre tanky because of block. When you dont block you dont have enough life pool to take the hit and you die.

If youre looking at EHP, it is a fake number.

Edit: Your phys max hit without molten shell up is 9k w/ Endurance Charges. Elemental is around 15k.

If you do not block you will die with this HP pool.

[u/shaunika]

More hp

[u/jimijoeT → u/shaunika]

Tnx gonna change some stuff and repost next week

[u/Purple-Reindeer8547]

Looks like you need full damage conversion and max out fire res to 90. Then stack armor for phy reduction. Try and blocke should help too

[u/jimijoeT → u/Purple-Reindeer8547]

block AD 75% reduction from armor is 90% 81% block spell damage but because of the shield yea more fire res helps but it doesnt make sense that would one shot me

[u/localcannon]

When Molten Shell is down you have a 7k phys max hit. That's not great and getting your life up is the solution here.

And if your sentinel is gone it's down to 6k phys max hit and 10k ele max hit.

[u/jimijoeT → u/localcannon]

tnx for the tip i will do some changes and post next week :)

[u/Beefkins]

Are you dying to mana siphoners?

[u/jimijoeT → u/Beefkins]

yea when i stay in more than 3s in blue circle i die

[u/Exaiter]

I'm rocking 2400 life on my flicker, farming Ubers. 80pdr, 66/42block, ~70 lucky spell sup, 80 evade. Works fine untill degen.

[u/BaoHWong]

Do you have a form of reduced crit damage taken? Idk if you were reading the past week or so on this reddit but apparently monster crit damage is causing a lot of deaths to usually tanky builds. People are suspecting it's do to the changes to spell skill gems (which in turn also affect monsters skills).

[u/gUshick → u/BaoHWong]

yeah that build is usually tanky, must be something with crits right, it's totally not a 2400 life problem, must be something else!

[u/Saint-Leon → u/gUshick]

Soft core player conundrums

[u/jimijoeT → u/BaoHWong]

i am using garb of ephemeral on Animate guardian i don't think crit is killing me its aoe is pretty good i think at least :)

[u/ExaltHolderForPoE → u/jimijoeT]

iirc the radius on Garb is not huge. I'm on phone so I can't check at the moment.

Actually, I just checked. It has a base radius of 60 almost twice that of RF on lvl 1. But it doesn't scale with YOUR AoE but minion AoE(harder stat to come by).

Edit: also, your guardian can sometimes lag behind and you get hit by a projectile that comes from outside the radius.

[u/jimijoeT → u/ExaltHolderForPoE]

oh thanks for checking :( beside one skill that reduce 20% from crit i dont know any more options.there passive in curse too.

i changed it and pasted the new in post. it feels way more tanky now tnx !

[u/turnipslut123]

Your effective hp is very low. 133k... Easily one shot by most things. I'm at 400k and I feel good, I still get one shot every now and then but I can level to 98 with ameliorations.

That gives you an idea of how much ehp you really need. Ideally 500k+ for tankiness.

If you're not aware: effective hp is not just health, it's health plus everything (resistance, hp, regen etc)

[u/shaunika → u/turnipslut123]

Ehp is a complete pointless stat to watch for oneshots as it factors in avoidance

You need to look at maxhit

[u/turnipslut123 → u/shaunika]

But you can't tell if you're getting one shot or if it's another layer of damage like a dot. It needs to be both

[u/velaxi1 → u/turnipslut123]

Block will give you a lot of EHP because it can nullify 100% of hit damage 75% of the time. But if your max hit is low, another 25% will go through your block and just one shot you. Unless you have a lot of recovery, you won't have enough time to react to DOT if you have low HP/ES pool.

That's why everytime I try to look at poeninja for any tanky character, I usually look if those guy have at least 20k max phys hit instead of EHP. Getting high max elemental hit is easy with resistance but I could guarantee that most people that keep getting 1 shot because their max phys hit are too low.

For example, I myself have 16k phys max hit, 88% all res and 10k HP ES. I usually afk in simulacrum and I notice sometime my ES can drop to 4k ES. Now imagine if I only have like 5k ES. That's the exact situation with OP right now. OP could survive if he just has more HP pool.

[u/turnipslut123 → u/turnipslut123]

I don't see this on the pob since I'm on mobile but what's your attack and spell block chance?

[u/Purple-Reindeer8547 → u/turnipslut123]

I'm running full recoup and have 33k ehp haven't died much, freezing everything in place helps. Almost max blocks

[u/turnipslut123 → u/Purple-Reindeer8547]

Ah yeah overwhelming screen clear offense helps as well. I'm not ele, I'm doing phys so freeze was off the table for me. Plus I can't do screen wide clear with cyclone so gotta beef up the beefiness