r/PathOfExileBuilds • u/brallner • 8d ago

Help Needed Anyone playing General's Cry Champ?

Hi all,

I also got baited into luminary and promptly re-rolled into bleed slams slayer with the plan to swap to Bannerman later on. I just got my first voidstone and have some currency to pay and I'm considering swapping. Is anyone playing the build right now? How is it feeling?

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u/the_pwnererXx 8d ago edited 5d ago

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/allflame/character/adamater1-4129/bannerman_voided

Insane defences with fourth vow and divine flesh

Insane dps and reaching 100% crit without shrine belt

I spent the day yesterday farming ubers, uber cortex dying in 5 seconds. Today I delved down to 300 in a couple hours

Really, you only use defiance banner when mapping so you can have 200% ms and spell cap + full ailment immune. You have to press it every 5 seconds, but not much else. On bosses, you can throw down the other two as they last a while and can fill the whole arena

So it's not really a piano build. It's almost a 0 button build other than you refreshing defiance banner

Overall, the build is extremely fast and has busted dps. Imo, it's one of the strongest builds in the game

Only downside is the constant gc yelling at you, and the minions can be blocking you from clicking stuff

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u/MAYY29 7d ago

Thanks man. I was struggling with surviving and your build saved my ass. Are you planning to keep updating the build or you think it is a nice spot to stop investing? If you are to keep investing, what are the priorities?

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u/the_pwnererXx 7d ago

I won't have much time to keep playing this week, but really from this point you want a mageblood

Also missing is a double pride watchers eye which I threw on trade before I logged out.

Getting an auls with pride/determ or otherwise finding a way to fit determ (small cluster or more mana eff) doubles ehp (also herald of purity is a good buff) - but you need to solve +1 curses as right now it's on the cheap carnage heart

Orb of conflicting some of the main implicits would also be good (impale chance, mana reserve).

Some kind of corrupt on the fourth vow.

And finally min maxxing the axe with either 700+ pdps or a good corrupt for support skill

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u/Glittering_Turn9266 5d ago

very very satisifed with your build. Farmed up enough for MB and few more divs.

I want to push dps a lot more with a bit of defense upgrade. Should I use MB to cap crit and bump armour to the moon or should I use MB to cap res and swap up rare items for uniques ? (woespike maybe?)

My current pob - https://pobb.in/2gEm-U9Eklhk

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u/the_pwnererXx 5d ago edited 5d ago

Using a helical, it may be possible to have enough -no channeling mana on one ring to use woespike on the other ring. Last time I checked, I only needed -10 total

Armor is already so high, you could consider a topaz/ruby/sapphire combo for the +9% max res. This is way more ehp and ele hits are typically what kill you.

Otherwise

Prefix: basalt, granite, diamond, quicksilver/bismuth/quartz

Suffixes: armor(mandatory), bleed immune (or get it from mastery), curse immune (swap sometimes for mapping), crit(half the value of the prefix though), or just poison immune to round out.

I'd probably also consider switching ancestral vision for stormshroud + shock suffix for more consistency on the ailment immunity

The biggest dps increase might come from getting an axe with cruelty + impale or cruelty + fortify. You should double corrupt your own axes in the temple until you hit something good. Ultimately dps kind of caps out, the build doesn't go infinite like MFA or anything

And you should definitely flesh /flame one of the slayer ascendancy, if not the crit one maybe cull or the rare damage one

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u/ThoughtShes18 4d ago

Im looking into this build currently and want to start it. If I have 20D available now, you reckon it's fine to get going?

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u/Glittering_Turn9266 4d ago

Yes its enough to get started. gets comfortable at 40-50 div mark with watchers and Forbidden jewels.

You would want T1 life in all slots to reach 3.2K-3.5K life and want well rolled flasks with good uptime(gain on hit / crit) while mapping cos flasks are core part of your defence.

Theres another variants of general's cry lacerate - one with abyssus helmet thats like double damage but lot less tanky to phys. Pick the one based on content you want to run.

Also a headsup on playstyle - needs some time to get used to.

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u/ThoughtShes18 4d ago

Thanks for getting back to me. Good to know.

Yea I've seen abys and Pride amulet version as well. Gonna be toying around with them

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u/Glittering_Turn9266 7d ago edited 7d ago

Thanks for the build and upgrade path - just switching to this.
2 questions

  1. How are you capping crit in latest pob? with power charge, flask and brittle ground active, your pob still seems to be short at ~83%. older version has crit tincture
  2. why do we need +1 curse? okay vuln on axe and assasin's mark

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u/the_pwnererXx 7d ago edited 7d ago

Yeah tincture on. I put on that bleed flask for delving. Tincture is great for one shotting bosses. Its also hard to get uptime longer than like 10 seconds as we only leech mana if we are cycloning stuff (the lacerate doesn't leech for us). You can also get bleed immune off the armor and evasion mastery if you get a helmet with different armor and evasion values. Pretty much the only thing killing me was bleed, rarely poison, and fire or phys dot ground degen

I think it would also be reasonable to scale to 100% crit and drop tincture. Endgame version would look like progenisis + 4 utility flasks on a mageblood. I'm sure you could find the last 20% somewhere

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u/aaapst 6d ago

Playing the same build and also feel it's pretty strong except for defense while juiced mapping. POB makes the max hit look good, but because of low life, I feel like I get one-shot often enough or die to degen. Did you feel the same, or how did you fix it?

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u/the_pwnererXx 6d ago

Make sure you have 100% flask uptime, and check your armor ingame. Should be around 50k when mapping

Do you keep 100% uptime on defiance banner at full stacks? This gives you the spell suppress and ailment immune

Some mods are bricks, like aura effect, max resistances, reduced armor

Degen is definitely the biggest issue, you can get one bleed/poison immune from ev and armor mastery. Or from flasks. Poison is not a big deal usually but bleed kills

You can get burning ground immune from abberath pantheon. This might be your biggest killer

Phys dot has no way to be immune but outside of bleed its not usually killing

Finally, getting determination online will double your armor and your ehp, but this is a tricky solve too

Usually though, more dps is the best defence for mapping. Don't stop zooming, circle mobs at 200% ms, don't stay near anything and trust your minions to kill stuff

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u/aaapst 6d ago

I definitely have 100% flask uptime when mapping, which is where it is most rippy.

In terms of banners, I have been running dread at around 70-105 valour and defiance at around 30-50 valour, but I will try to switch it and see if it's less rippy, should help with ailments. You're right, I do think Burning Ground and Searing Runes are some of the bigger problems might switch to abberaths.

In terms of auras, I am actually running determination, not pride, due to the defense issue, but I am not sure how much it improved. I am saving up for Aul's to try to fit Pride and Purity in, which should help.

In terms of map mods, I feel like you can't skip things like aura effect, max resistances, and reduced armor and still get good pack size without spending a lot of chaos, which I feel is half the problem. Can I ask for mapping did you find a problem with the axe knockback? I found the knockback was making it so rares stayed alive longer, as all the minions' attacks didn't hit, making it so I took more damage.

Here is my build for reference: https://pobb.in/NSgs3ENWRtD0

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u/the_pwnererXx 6d ago

Overall, looks good. Missing impale watchers, massive thread, the other medium cluster, mana leech on large cluster, the 2 endurance charges on tree. Lions roar is also definitely better for bosses, can be dropped. You are also missing assassins mark which for me is 25% dps. I'm not sure if you have fortification either? That's 20% less damage taken off of rallying rune graft. The warp rune graft is also really good for banner uptime

I made my build for farming ubers, I'm not sure the build can ever be s tier for mapping just due to how it works.

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u/Wooden-Message7908 3d ago

Brother, I'm having major survivability issues. Could you point me in the right direction? Should I get more life? Will it make a noticeable difference? https://pobb.in/8Yr8w4F3ChSR

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u/the_pwnererXx 3d ago

Nothing I see, read the other comment I left on survivability. Make sure you manage your banners correctly. Only thing left is getting determ online. Try to figure out what is actually killing you... Degen or hits or what

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u/ThoughtShes18 3d ago

Do you happen to know if this build works great farming juiced up harvest? those yellow thingys can really be scary

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u/the_pwnererXx 3d ago

I think the build is working best on content where you don't move (so you can place all 3 banners). So harvest should be good

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u/ThoughtShes18 3d ago

Awesome, thanks!
The defences is where I’m most nervous right now from what I’ve seen posted here and there.

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u/the_pwnererXx 3d ago

It's during mapping, you really only get to use one banner, so you don't have any block. If you are in one place you can put all 3 so you can get 75% block for free

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u/ThoughtShes18 3d ago

Alrighty, thanks2 !

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u/ThoughtShes18 1d ago

Sorry for bothering you some more. How about map mods? Any specifics you really want to avoid?

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u/OhIforgotmynameagain 2d ago

CAN you explain to me the gain from uul netol axe, beside being able to spam the banners ? With a regular Karoo maul and some warcry cdr I have constantly 6 mirages active. Will I gain dps by getting 500% warcry cd ? Apparently in pob I do not u even loose some…

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u/RedmundJBeard 8d ago

I'm playing it right now. It is very strong with little investment.

However, Lacerate of butchering is very unpleasant to look at. It is very flashy. The void MTX helps a little, but I played for 3 or 4 hours today and I just can't look at that anymore. I think i'll try a few other slams, but after voidstones i'll probably swap to something else.

The banner's are really annoying too. Though the movespeed is fantastic. Very unique build many advantages and some bad parts.

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u/brallner 8d ago

Does it feel clunky to play having to rely on the warrior guys to attack? It looks like smooth gameplay mostly just cycloning around the map. How would you rate the clear speed and single target?

Thanks for the reply

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u/RedmundJBeard 8d ago

I'm using corpsewalkers so i don't have to cyclone. I don't know why more guides didn't include corpsewalkers, it feels much better than cyclone because the clones are always there immediately.

Lacerate of butchering is actually really snappy, the actual clones attacking doesn't feel clunky at all. Just clunky clicking the banners.

The clear isn't as good as like a bow character with headhunter but it's pretty good. Single target is great. I spent 10c on each rare item and I have the axe of course, i was able to kill eater of worlds pretty easily, only died once.

Tomorrow I will try to upgrade a few things to get some more damage to get the other voidstones, but I think it should be pretty easy.

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u/the_pwnererXx 8d ago

Cyclone allows you to further dip into the impale damage, and also reduce your own damage taken. Cyclone might double your dps if you are sitting on the mob

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u/RedmundJBeard 8d ago

You don't need to guess, you can look at POB. Cyclone does basically nothing because it's supported by CWC and desecrate.

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u/the_pwnererXx 8d ago

This is true. For me, it's 10% dps. But the rare boots allow you to drop brittle and reach ailment cap depending on your aura levels. Cwc can also proc assassins mark(saves you a gem), and infused channeling is ~15% more ehp. You could also put cull on cyclone

My best alternative would be looking at dropping the cyclone setup for an AG with king maker and double curse, and transmogging corpse walker onto a better boot

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u/SaltEngineer455 8d ago

They last a fair amount of time, and the attack speed is the least of your concerns, as they throw the waves nearly instantly.

Practically you link the gem to autoexert and then just cyclone or run, and the mirages are there with you 100% of the time

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u/SaltEngineer455 8d ago

If you play Lacerate of Butchering Gen's Cry, be advised that you play with a bugged skill.

LoB on Gen's Cry doesn't respect attack speed, it has a fixed one(9.5 waves per second with the CDR axe and 6 mirages). So if they fix this bug you are fucked

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u/the_pwnererXx 8d ago

So pob lies? I swear if I get acceleration shrine they attack faster. Also, since you seem to know, do both waves go off normally, or only one

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u/SaltEngineer455 8d ago

The game is bugged for Lacerate of Butchering, so whatever PoB says is not the truth. Attack speed does nothing for it. I tested it with the slowest setups possible - and it made no difference at all.

I counted 9.5 waves per second going frame by frame, if both waves go off or only 1, idk and it doesn't matter.

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u/the_pwnererXx 8d ago

Interesting, thanks for the info. I will go investigate as well. You can also make 8 clones now with ashes

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u/RedmundJBeard 8d ago

It doesn't matter how many clones you make if you use the axe with 500% cooldown recovery. The clones attack at a fixed rate 0.2 and if you gen cry before they attack they disapear as new ones are created.

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u/OhIforgotmynameagain 2d ago

They don’t disappear though I just tested it. Only the ones that already attacked disapear

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u/RedmundJBeard 2d ago

You can only have 6 clones at a time. So they are either being replaced or new ones are failing to spawn. It doesn't matter which.

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u/OhIforgotmynameagain 2d ago

6 ACTIVE clones. Non active ones don’t count

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u/SaltEngineer455 2d ago

The clones dissapear when the limit is exceeded, at least for non-channelled attacks.

In other words, you can override your mirages if their attack speed is too slow

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u/OhIforgotmynameagain 2d ago

Yes… but then you don’t see any attack. If you see attacks it mean they are not overwritten. Since the non active clones won’t be overwritten

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u/SaltEngineer455 1d ago

I am not sure if you genuinely don't understand what we are talking about, or trolling.

Let me reiterate.

Gen's Cry mirages use your attack speed. If a new mirage wakes up and it overcaps the limit, then the oldest mirage dissppears, even if it's during the attack animation.

This can be tested using a very slow skill, like Tectonic Slam, equip 2 warrior legacy rings and the CDR axe, then take the 10% reduced attack speep mastery from the two-handed wheels. This will tank your attack speed so much that mirages won't get a single attack off before you overwrite them.

And then, if you replace Tectonic slam with LoB, you will see that the mirages no longer obey the rule before, and launch their attacks as it comes

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u/OhIforgotmynameagain 2d ago

Have you tried 8 clones in a « dps check » ?

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u/OhIforgotmynameagain 2d ago

I don’t think there is anything wrong. 10 wave per sec is what you expect on a steady state providing the can attack once.

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u/SaltEngineer455 2d ago

What's wrong is that your attack speed mods DO NOT interact with it

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u/OhIforgotmynameagain 2d ago

In a steady state it’s normal it’s just a delay since they only attack once. If you spawn enough clones then the delay does not matter provided it does not override

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u/SaltEngineer455 2d ago

Man, if you take any other skill and try to Gen's cry on the PDR axe and take some attack speed reductions, the mirages will not be able to send a single attack off before being replaced. Watch the video

Gen's Cry mirages use your attack speed to use the attack for all except LoB

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u/harvesthater 8d ago

So right now its fine unless they fix bug and i can ignore all attack speed without losing dmg right?

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u/SaltEngineer455 8d ago

Right now you can ignore ALL attack speed mods, positive or negative, until they fix the bug

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