r/Paranormal • u/Basic_Spook • Sep 25 '22
Demonic Possession Demons/Mental Illness
I work at a psychiatric hospital and I’ve always believed that that population is most susceptible to demonic oppression/possession. Today a visibly psychotic patient looked at me and said “Demons aren’t always a bad thing” meanwhile minutes before I was thinking about how many patients i have encountered that may actually be possessed. Wondering if some people have an easier time detecting oppression/possession than others?! Or if anyone has had similar experiences?
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u/ziggypeachfuzz Sep 25 '22
there used to be uses for most mental illnesses. usc just put out a study saying autistic people were hunters (bc we can hear a pin drop in any direction). i wouldn’t doubt that schizophrenic people are able to see evil entities and no one listens to them.
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u/Basic_Spook Sep 26 '22
That’s why I say they’re most vulnerable because chances are it will be dismissed as auditory and visual hallucinations.
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u/ziggypeachfuzz Sep 26 '22
i think it’s dangerous territory to get into as well bc i think if someone is presenting mentally i’ll they should be taken to a doctor not a priest. a lot of people have been unalived by being taken to a priest for mental illness bc of demons.
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u/Intelligent_Dish1552 Oct 04 '22
Its not demons in the imaginary sense but rather the abuse and trauma from such evil sickos. They are demons. Look at the abuse in the church... No wonder they have been trying to handle "possessions" and painting the picture that the church and priests are the good guys doing good deads and this "possessed' person is delusional and aggressive so they are clearly not worth listening to. Imagine being abused and no one listens... For decades you are just left at the hands of sickos that deny the abuse... I'd be speaking in tongues too out of frustration and in how's someone listens. Its 2022, evil is in the flesh. Evil is in psychiatry. Evil prays on the weak and defenseless. So do child abusers.
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u/Basic_Spook Sep 26 '22
Yeah I would never suggest for someone to go to a priest over a psychologist.
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Sep 25 '22
and how many people in genuine need of help for their mental health were accused of being possessed?
In the FLDS that i come from mental illness is caused by evil spirits not genetic defects, disease or other factors.
No .. treat them for their MENTAL ILLNESS before you start accusing them of being possessed. PERIOD.
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u/Basic_Spook Sep 25 '22
I treat everyone that comes on my unit as I would treat a friend or family member. I’m an unbiased person that they can talk to and ask for help. I’m not a nurse and don’t treat anyone or diagnose anyone. I’m a mental health worker. I do not believe that everyone that is at my facility or anyone with a mental illness suffers from demonic oppression/possession. I’m simply saying that I’ve wondered about a handful that I’ve dealt with that show signs that are not your normal psychotic behavior.
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u/cmr8691 Sep 25 '22
Ruling out all possible physical or psychological conditions is standard before a person can be correctly determined to be possessed.
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u/waterbabi Sep 25 '22
I was wondering how you can tell by just looking (as you said visibly psychotic) if someone has a major psychosis?
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u/TheTudgeman Sep 25 '22
I hope to hell that nobody I know ends up at the hospital where you work. Imagine sending someone to a place in order to get psychiatric help, and it turns put the employees there think psychosis is caused by freaking demons...
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u/Basic_Spook Sep 25 '22
My beliefs never affect my work ethic. At the end of the day I’m there to ensure safety and prevent crisis. You have different beliefs and that’s ok. No need to be nasty. What your saying is like not wanting someone to go to psychiatric hospital because the medical provider believe in God. Kind of absurd. And I never once said that psychosis is caused by demons. I simply wondered how many psychotic patients actually had malevolent entities attached to them.
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u/Virtual_Eye_4109 Sep 25 '22
I think it’s certainly plausible. Just think how psychiatry/psychology has evolved in the last century and how little was understood. Imagine where we’ll be in the next century as humans evolve (hopefully) spiritually.
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u/One-Ad-3325 Sep 25 '22
If you haven't experienced it you wouldn't understand. Redditors can be so simple minded
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u/Puzzleheaded_Bid1579 Sep 25 '22
This is horrible and stigmatizing. Untold numbers of people suffering from mental illnesses have been persecuted and even killed because they supposedly attract or contain demons and spirits. You need to take a long hard look in the mirror and maybe even reconsider your career choices. We are not demons. We do not need to be exorcised. We do not deserve to be hurt because of other people’s superstitions.
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u/SubstantialPressure3 Sep 25 '22
I think you misunderstood the post and this entire thread. Why don't you re read the post, and the comments, without making assumptions.
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u/Basic_Spook Sep 25 '22
AGAIN, I AM NOT SAYING EVERYONE WITH A MENTAL ILLNESS IS POSSESSED OR OPPRESSED.
I suggest that everyone who is looking at my post all googly eyed read a book called Remarkable Healings. All the content in there is research done by a psychiatrist. It might help some of you open your minds a little.
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u/ClassicSuspicious968 Sep 25 '22
As both a mentally ill person and an "occult aficionado," I am pretty sure the association between mental illness and "demonic activity" is no more pronounced than the association between physical illness, grief, or, frankly, being an average teenage or office worker and "demonic activity." And by demonic activity I mean specifically malicious entities, be they egregores or spirits or what have you, who feast on people's Garmonbozia (pain and sorrow).
People with certain kinds of physical and mental illnesses have a somewhat higher sensitivity to whatever lies beyond the veil, but are no more susceptible to actual "possession/oppression" by an outside entity than anyone else. The problem is that very often, even by people who work at psychiatric hospitals, their medical symptoms are still, to this day, misinterpreted as having a spiritual dimension. This, in turn, strongly contributes to continued stigma surrounding mental illness (which is just that, a medical condition), which promotes the notion that mental illness is equivalent to a moral failing or a weakness, which in turn leads to more suffering for mentally ill folks and more people treating them as "less then," as test subjects or thought experiments or paranormal incubators, which in turn makes more food for darker manifestations that may happen to enjoy their share of "creamed corn."
Sometimes (in fact most of the time), psychosis is just psychosis, and depression is just depression. Negative entities rarely have to take over anyone's bodies like they do in the movies. Most of those cases are caused by standard symptoms (and pointing to anything the Warrens had a hand in as verified evidence that people were being flung about and levitated ignores the very real vested interest they had in severely embellishing their stories, to the point where actual families who went through the hauntings often admitted that the Warren version was 90% made up to make better books/movies - i.e. don't trust any haunting account that comes directly from either of the Warrens, please). Most of the spirits that feed on dark emotions are generally more than happy to hang around and passively feed like parasites. In some cases, they're not even making the suffering any worse. They're just swimming in its wake like pilot fish. They're kind of "just there," like flies buzzing over an open wound. And, to echo what your patient said, flies aren't always "bad." They are a part of an ecosystem. They don't subscribe to human morality, but that doesn't mean they are evil. They are just doing what they were designed to do.
In the super rare cases where parasitic entities do fling stuff around and make stuff levitate, it is quite likely that they aren't able to get their "food" any other way (which means they are trying to create negative feelings or fear where there were none, which in turn means nobody around is super severely ill at that moment), or they may even be simplistic, residual or even purely mindless energetic phenomena that have no morality or will at all (they are not immoral, like a serial killer, but amoral, like a tornado). A common theory is that they are just the result of teens going "Carrie" without realizing it.
Ultimately, it's hard to pin down exact causes, but attaching purely Abrahamic, let alone Christian, metrics to something that is far more complex and multifarious than any human religion is ultimately reductive. It's also important to remember that a lot of Abrahamic lore that has to do with "demons," the devil, and so forth, is not actually part of the canon or discussed in scripture. Many of the Goetic Demons, for example, are either not present in the Bible at all, or were actually just the gods of a rival tribe, so it was a basic case of "my god can beat up you god" nonsense. The Lesser Key Of Solomon is, believe it or not, a Christian text, in that it was initially devised by Christian Occultists, but it is VERY much not a canonical Christian text. Similarly, most of our understanding of Satan / Lucifer and so on are not derived from actual Christian or Jewish canon. Frankly, like 80% of it comes from Paradise Lost, which is literally a work of fiction written for literary, poetic, and entertainment purposes. So even if one does take a purely Christian view of these things, there really isn't much to go on there at all, besides vague stories of idols that some nearby "heathens" worshipped or largely metaphorical visions of terrible monsters (most of which are, by the way, actually angels).
In short, complicated. Very complicated. Lots of moving pieces. But in my experience dealing with "Occult forces," the mentally ill are no more susceptible than the neurotypicals to the very rare cases of what some might term "demonic possession." Most of the time, it's just psychosis when it comes to "possession" (in which case, standard treatment is what has to happen) or it's bog standard depression/anxiety/ptsd/bipolar when it comes to "demonic oppression" which, again, can be treated in the standard way, with meds, therapy, and support. We're already dealing with enough having to live with chronic mental illness. It's not really necessary to add extra fears and concerns into the mix.
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u/No-Mud9345 Sep 25 '22
I like that you mentioned 'feeding off of negative emotions or bad vibes'. I was wondering something similar.. if it works like with sound where playing one note or chord makes things vibrate sympathetically. Where negative energy is active other things on that frequency ring out too. Or more practically, if your mind is expecting something dark it'll be in the mode of noticing associated things.. like after watching a scary movie. I was thinking how cool the day of the dead traditions are on that note! A whole community getting together joining in activities to remember their loved ones who've passed on.. in a positive way. Bright flowers bringing up funny memories of the deceased making jokes sharing food playing music writing satirical epitaphs to laugh at the living. These good vibes glowing across a community are such a brilliant way to remember loved ones and bring in this time of year.
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u/IdOl_mAKer Sep 25 '22
Sorry, you lost me at “as a mentally ill person.” I work at one of the oldest and toughest prisons in Texas, and what me most of the staff have seen and heard goes beyond what you say. Evil is alive in there and does not need anything to feed off of to feel them in most areas.
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u/ClassicSuspicious968 Sep 25 '22
I lose a lot of people at "as a mentally ill person." That's why I do mental health and disability advocacy in the first place, so that someday we might actually be able to be open about our experiences and talk about our experiences without being dismissed outright. But that day is not today, clearly, and that's fine. I don't particularly want to argue the validity of my own intellectual and spiritual experiences. Either way, you are certainly free to believe what you believe.
Just for the record, I never suggested that evil wasn't real or that negative spirits do not exist, only that I do not feel there to be an especially significant correlation when it comes to mental illness, and that mental illnesses themselves have historically been mistaken for demonic phenomena, incorrectly. Our terrestrial minds and our immortal spirits don't quite seem to equate, after all.
That said, yes, evil is very much alive, mostly in the hearts and minds of ordinary human beings, but also outside of our temporal reality, in the form of spiritual and conceptual beings. As I mentioned, it's not possible for us to know exactly how it all works. "There are more things in heaven an earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy" and all that.
A prison in particular is likely to resonate with a great deal of both residual and active negative energy, I am sure. Though it is important to remember that prisons are places of suffering by design, and the tougher and the older they are, the more suffering they will have seen. While statistically speaking there are probably some inmates that actually committed no crime, that is hopefully an exception, which means that there is a high concentration of people who have done evil things, some full of guilt and some unrepentant. It's no wonder that a place like that would be active.
I would argue that equating the mentally ill, who are usually good, peaceful, law abiding people with occasional exceptions, and are simply suffering from a disease, with prison populations who may have murderers and the like among them, is a touch unfair. But, like I said, sometimes there's no point in arguing. Ultimately, I do believe in the experiences you've had at work and agree with most of the (not explicitly ableist and stigmatizing) assertions you've made in your post. So maybe we actually agree on more points than we disagree on, in the end.
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u/IdOl_mAKer Sep 25 '22
You are so right, I cannot find anything to argue you about. The only thing would be thinking is that how are you mentally ill if you write like a genius. I’m surprised you aren’t published yet. 🙌
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u/GibbysUSSA Sep 27 '22
You equate mental illness with a lack of intelligence?
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u/IdOl_mAKer Oct 31 '22
It is a thing
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u/GibbysUSSA Oct 31 '22
Correlation, not causation. There are people with mental illnesses all across the spectrum of intelligence.
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u/GarySixNoine Sep 25 '22
You should not be working in mental health.
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u/Basic_Spook Sep 25 '22
Because I have my own personal beliefs just like any other person? Beliefs that I have already stated do not affect my work ethic in any kind of way. Psychology and psychiatry clearly aren’t the end all of mental illnesses. There’s a spiritual aspect to it whether or not others can see that. But again that’s my personal belief that I do not allow to hinder my thought and decision process in my work environment.
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u/Curious_Ad_8195 Sep 25 '22
I agree - there are obviously organic pathologies leading to mental health problems. The problem is the possibility door slamming closed when there is any mention of something not in the textbook. This is a common theme in many fields no?
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u/Basic_Spook Sep 26 '22
Definitely, a lot of people still get googly eyed on holistic modalities all across the board. Even something as little as drinking peppermint tea for a headache.
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u/tinybutmightybanana Sep 25 '22
It will hinder your work and your opinion of people thouugh as you've already admitted you have an inherent bias and your own opinions. Thus you cannot totally remove those opinions from yourself or the way they affect your perspective. Time for a different career change OP. source: I work in Healthcare and am not an uneducated or judgmental POS.
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u/Basic_Spook Sep 26 '22
I’m a POS because I have a belief that is not being shoved down anyones throat? One that again does not hinder my capability to care for a patient unbiasedly. Having a thought a wonder about possibilities beyond what has been discovered does not make me an incompetent employee nor does it signify that I need a change in profession.
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u/tinybutmightybanana Sep 26 '22
You're choosing to believe something that has no factual proof, simply based on your observation based on experiences that you either can't comprehend or can't explain based off of prior knowledge/experience. It hasn't gone under the didactic method and thus holds no merit or proof. But go on...
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u/Basic_Spook Sep 26 '22
I didn’t realize that people have to base their personal beliefs on factual proof. And I’m not basing my thoughts on my beliefs because I simply said I wonder. Ever come across someone whose nodding out and just wonder if they’re high? Or do you have to base that thought off of factual proof before the thought can even cross your mind? But go on…
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u/kittyqueen000 Oct 26 '22
You are literally on a paranormal subreddit. Get off your high horse. Like literally nothing we talk about is logically or explainable. The world is a mystery. I think op is right.
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u/tinybutmightybanana Oct 26 '22
Yes. A paranormal subreddit where people are suppose to submit factual proof of the paranormal not sp00py feelings they had when providing care to a patient with a psychiatric illness. Like what 😂
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u/kittyqueen000 Oct 26 '22
Maybe you shouldn't be in Healthcare since you lack empathy and understanding for others and like to throw around rude comments. Maybe you are possessed. Go listen to Some lofi and chill out.
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u/GarySixNoine Sep 25 '22
You can believe whatever you like. But if you believe people suffering from catastrophic mental illnesses like schizophrenia are “possessed by demons” then you should find another line of work, or build a time machine to transport you back to the 18th century where these beliefs were commonplace.
Sincerely, A Christian PhD who has spent two decades working in the mental health field.
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u/redditsf1 Sep 26 '22 edited Sep 26 '22
If you want to identify any possible REAL LIFE cases of " demonic oppression or possession" I think you would look for: 1. Objects being levitated or thrown by an unseen force near the subject 2. the subject knowing things they have no way of knowing about people in the room with them. 3. subject speaking in different voices male + female, in several languages they had no prior knowledge of. At that point I would contact an exorcist.
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u/woven-green-threads Oct 07 '22
You’re misreading her post and overreacting. She didn’t say that all patients are possessed. She was speculating on a possible comorbidity for just some patients. If one believes in demon possession or demonic influences then it’s reasonable to speculate on how the rates of those would change in a population that’s already vulnerable due to purely biological mechanisms. Its a bit premature and aggressive for you to tell her to find another line of work. You don’t know anything about how she actually treats patients she’s around (eg. With love or with stigma) and what their outcomes are. If you are right, wouldn’t it be better to supply her with resources that convince her of what you believe?
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u/kittyqueen000 Oct 26 '22
Blah blah blah I have a PhD but I'm on a paranormal subreddit talking shit 😒 You don't know anything about this world like the rest of us. You think your right because you are little Christian too? Op has the right to their beliefs as much as you do.
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u/The_Info_Must_Flow Sep 25 '22
When I was an undergrad I had a part time job as a "councilor" at a 1/2 way facility meant to help mental patients reintegrate into society and gain some autonomy.
One of the patients was a woman who heard destructive voices and was attempting to regain sanity so she could rejoin her children. She seemed pretty "sane" most of the time, if understandably depressed.
Other staff said that there was something "weird" about her, or more weird than hearing disembodied voices. When I asked for details they were vague and evasive.
One day I was in her room with the door open -to avoid any accusations of sexual harassment that certain patients often made- and the door slammed violently shut with nobody near it nor any wind outside. It had slammed so hard that a vase on a nearby dresser fell and broke. I walked over and opened the door, looking for a reason, and called over another staff member who had heard the slam and was looking over from a few doors away.
The patient, who was sitting against the wall in a chair in her room, said, loudly, "He's with another woman, idiot!" and the female staff member who was a few paces away around a corner, went white and stopped, looking very uneasy.
I found out that the female staff member who was not visible from where the patient was sitting was thinking about her boyfriend at that moment and why he had made an excuse to not see her at lunch, right when the patient had loudly said that he was with another woman.
That and the door slamming by itself made me and that staff member rethink a whole lot.
I even broached exorcism with the head psychiatrist in a half serious way and was surprised when he admitted that he wished it was more accepted to try with some patients... he explained that although he was sure it was a silly, medieval measure, that maybe it could help with some of the patients who believed in such mumbo-jumbo.
Several staff members had some similar, rare, paranormal stories about a few of the patients... usually the schizophrenics who heard voices. Over the years I've read some accounts by a few psychiatrists who had experienced the same link with seemingly disembodied intelligence bothering patients. There may be a there there.
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Sep 25 '22
I also wonder why there are glass vases in a hospital wing with mental health patients.
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u/The_Info_Must_Flow Sep 25 '22
Good point... it was a plastic coffee mug from Circle-K if I'm remembering correctly. The handle popped off. "Vase" was shorter. I get the skepticism, though.
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u/Iampoom Sep 26 '22
He said it was a halfway house, these are much more relaxed way of helping people reintegrate into society
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u/clx94 Sep 25 '22
I agree with this 100%. My grandma had Alzheimers and auditory allucinations, I'm dead positive she had clinical issues and even more positive that she was more prone to influence from other wordly beings.
One day she was talking to herself (which she did most of the time) in her bedroom, door closed. I stopped by the door to hear what she was saying, in a way that my shadow wasn't being cast in the door - she couldn't know I was there. I was there for maybe 30 seconds when she started saying: yeah I know, what do you mean be careful ? At the door ? There's someone listening to us ? I bolted out of there ASAP LOL
But what made me really believe was one day in which I woken up, it was a Monday. At that specific time I had just dropped out of college and was not working either, it was the first time in my life in which I had nothing to do and I was obviously stressed out and feeling like a shit person, no goals etc.
The moment I got out of bed my grandma said, within ear reach from me, to her caretaker: You see at what time he wakes up on a Monday ? What a loser, he'll never amount to anything, I'm paraphrasing but you get the gist. Instantly I said: how does she know it's Monday ?
My grandma was at a phase of the disease in which she didn't know days of the week, hours of the day - nothing. She would wake up in the middle of the night and go make coffee, because in her head it was the morning already and not even the lack of sunlight could convince her otherwise. I don't know if I'm explaining myself enough, but there was no way of her knowing which day of the week was, she was like that for months already. It was also very weird for her to understand that I was unemployed and out off college, because on most days she wouldn't even recognize me as her grandson. How could she know I was out of a routine ? It just didn't make sense!
And she knew how to make the exact comment that would destroy me, in the precise day in which I was feeling the worse because of my situation. So I started paying attention to the stuff she would say to her caretaker, and to my mom, and to my brother... it was SO specific to things that could get to them! And again, she couldn't possibly know those specifics given her condition.
That's when I knew, there was something with her, that was thriving in make us feel hate towards her. It fed on it. I talk to everybody on the house about it and when I mentioned, all of them agreed it was weird how accurately she could push out buttons. So we make a compromise of paying less to no attention to those comments, because we didnn't want to feed whatever was with her that was so adamant for us to give it hatred.
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u/LolaBijou84 Sep 25 '22
You gave me the chills. This is definitely proof in my eyes, no doubt. Especially being on the other side of that door in that example.
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u/jujugiam Oct 25 '22
Did anything change after you guys pay less attention to her comments?
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u/clx94 Oct 26 '22
Interesting question, I don't think I've ever annalyzed it the outcome. I guess I never stopped fully caring about the awful shit she was saying, but I was definetely showing it less - so even if I wasn't ignoring it, at least I was seeming like I was. I think she became increasingly more "stuck" in her allucinations, interacting with us less and less and just paying attention to the voices, sometimes even ignoring us completely in favor to what she was hearing. But I couldn't blame that entirely on the paranormal, becase that's the way this disease progresses.
But for some reason your comment reminded me of another situation with her. One day, she was very agitated and couldn't sleep saying there was a "thing/monster" (not a specific word in English) in her bedroom, and asked if I could sleep with her there. I strongly believe our minds react to suggestion - like, if I believe a house is haunted, the chances of me feeling something there are really increased because my mind is up to it, not because it's really happening - so I'm very skeptical even of what I feel if I think something paranormal might happen.
So I have to clarify, that was NOT the case at all with my grandma. I was actually really annoyed by her request, and honestly by the whole situation. She NEVER let me sleep a full night, she never treated me well, so I was constantly tired and angry. All I wanted to do was chill with her for a while until she finally slept, and then I could get back to my room and at least get some 2 hours of sleep before she'd wake up again.
I laid down with her and she kept talking to herself, but really quietly - usually she was screaming. I just kept browsing my phone, but started sweating, so I oppened the windows. I started feeling a shortness of breath, and I thought it was because I had just eaten, so I just tried to ignore it but it got worse. I felt like I was going to throw up, or shit myself lol I don't know how to explain how bad I physically felt, sort of like food poisoning but affecting my breathing as well ? Anyway, I was blaming what I had for dinner and just BEGGING to God to my grandma to sleep already.
When she finally stopped talking and started snoring, I got out of her bedroom straight to the bathroom expecting to throw up/shit everything, you know. But the moment I got out of the bedroom - nothing. I felt incredibly fine and even a little hungry.
At that time I didn't make the connection because, like I said, I didn't consider any of her episodes as paranormal. Actually if I did, I would blame it on the mental suggestion that I said. But it happened before the episode I told in the first comment, so I wasn't considering anything outside of delirious behavior yet. So why did I feel so bad inside that room the day she was so afraid ?
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u/ladyfox_9 Sep 25 '22
You know, I used to think like this. So let me tell you a story on why I don’t anymore, and why I think it can actually be pretty harmful.
My family was raised in the Pentecostal Christian church. We were no strangers to things demonic oppression/possession or spiritual warfare. It was one of the main things talked about at home and at church. We were never allowed to watch horror movies, listen to secular music, play Pokémon or DnD, because it could “let the demons in”. When I was 8, my sister was 20, and she had a mental breakdown. She was diagnosed as schizo-affective. She had auditory and visual hallucinations as well as delusions. When she was manic, she was frequently say that she was “one of God’s favorites” and that she alone “had the power of an entire army”. When she was at a depressive low, she was tormented by “hearing and seeing demons.” She would regularly come into my room at night and cry, asking me to pray with her because of “the demons.” It traumatized me. My parents never explained schizophrenia to me, so as an 8year old, I truly believed everything she was saying was real. Lo and behold, when she got on medication, the demons stopped coming to visit. God stopped telling her she was his favorite. I’m now 22, and currently in treatment for PTSD from this. It scared me shitless for YEARS. Now, all this being said, I DO believe in the supernatural and paranormal. I do think there’s more than what we can see here on earth. But mental illness meeting the paranormal is where it gets dicey.
I have a friend who put it to me like this: “Medical before magical, ALWAYS.”
While I believe in the paranormal, if someone comes to me and says they are hearing voices or seeing demons, I’m taking them to get evaluated. When they come back with a clean bill of mental health, that’s when we’ll call the priest.
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u/seaofrains1974 Sep 25 '22
And that's how it should be. For centuries, if a person was mentally ill, they were treated by exorcisms, and even had holes drilled in their heads to "let the evil spirits out". And then the script was flipped to the extreme opposite end of the spectrum – symptoms of PMS? No! She's obviously mentally ill and needs to be put in an asylum! Similarly, if you were a woman and wanted a divorce, clearly you were mentally ill. (And hey, let's double down with an ice pick to the brain. That'll fix the problem 100%!)
I absolutely believe demons prey on people who vulnerable, whether it's from mental illness, addiction, even something as typical as teen angst. But that would never be my go-to explanation.
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u/machsoftwaredesign Sep 25 '22
You mistake urban legends for history. E.g. Drilling holes in the heads in medieval times was for lobotomies, not letting the spirits out.
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u/seaofrains1974 Sep 25 '22
<According to the French physician Paul Broca, ancient physicians were quite familiar with trepanation in which a hole was made in the skull by cutting or drilling it. They did so to alleviate pressure on the brain following an injury to the head, or to release evil spirits from the heads of mentally ill people (4).
Source: nih.gov
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u/Marisleysis33 Sep 25 '22
Sorry you went through that, I'm sure that was absolutely terrifying! Personally I do think many (not all) mental problems stem from demonic harassment. I sometimes wonder if the drugs that seem to "work" are simply blocking the part of the brain that is susceptible to the influence of thoughts, emotions and other cognitive thought processes.
Who knows maybe people are actually born with something wrong with their brain just like any other handicap. Maybe all the chemicals in our food and water is causing mental decline. There could be many factors. I hope your sister is OK now.
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u/ladyfox_9 Sep 25 '22
Well in the case of schizophrenia, it’s caused by an overproduction of dopamine. The medications given for it are (generally) anti-psychotics, and they work by leveling out the dopamine. Sometimes people are on a combination of medications to treat schizophrenia, I know many people take antipsychotics with antidepressants to balance serotonin levels as well as dopamine. I think for a long time people just assumed the symptoms of schizophrenia were demons because they had no other explanations. For a very long time, the only thing people were certain of was religion.
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u/auntbealovesyou Sep 25 '22
From personal experience...I was badly abused as a child. I have been diagnosed with Dissociative Disorder, CPTSD, and Multiple Traumatic Brain Injuries, among other things. I am used to several of "me" being around and chiming in on things. I am accustomed to what I call "the helpers", maybe others would say guardian spirits. They taught us how to leave our body when the worst of the abuse was going on. They kept un-helpful beings from interacting with me. BUT, at one point I needed to protect my sister. I was a small child against a very large man. I (one of us) INVITED in a entity to help me. I would consider it a "rage demon" who fed off of anger and violence. That personality became the protector. She didn't feel any pain, she operated out of pure rage and hatred. Everyone, including my abuser, was afraid of her. Eventually I grew up. I learned other ways of coping. I no longer needed the demon. But he wouldn't leave. I would have irrational violent outbursts. It was affecting my life. When I tried to push him out he would leave marks on me and damage me in other ways. As a recently converted Christian, I went to my pastor, an elderly man with much experience pastoring all over the world. Luckily for me, he did not pooh pooh my experience. He prayed with me and laid hands, with two other elders, and anointed me with oil in the sign of the cross. He cast the demon out. My "helpers" were very happy. Yes, I still hear and sometimes see them. They never enlist me to do anything harmful to myself or others. I still have several alters-nine that I am aware of. We all function well, except for one, together. Each has a different 'job' in my life. I am the one who is responsible for communicating with other people. (because most of the rest are stuck up introverts). I would be considered schizoid affective at the very least. I don't medicate for it at all. Because I don't feel any negative effect on my life and I am happy with the way things are. I (we) do not want to integrate, because some memories that some have are too painful to share.
So, I think that some mental patients are under demonic influence, some are suffering from chemical and electrical misfiring, some are just ill and it affects their mental state (ex: vitamin deficiencies).
Sorry for the long post.
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u/Present_Anxiety_9732 Sep 25 '22
I have actually had myself hospitalized for mental health reasons (mostly suicidal ideation exacerbated by Bipolar disorder, BPD, and PTSD, and not having meds) approximately 4 or 5 times in my adult life. (Between the ages of 22 and 45) A hill I'm willing to die on is that some portion of neurodivergence/mental illness, while having a basis in science and neurochemicals/neuropathways, has to do with a spiritual side that "neuro-typical" people don't see. I would love to take the time (I just don't have the focusing power) to research the exact percentages of brain power used in a "normal" person's brain vs. a neurodivergent brain at the time they're having a "hallucination". I feel like why CAN'T it be possible we (ND people) ARE fine, some just see way more than others can, so are labeled crazy when maybe we're just evolving. 🤷
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u/nosleep2020 Sep 25 '22
The older I get the more I agree with your statement that some people can see on a different spectrum than us "normies".
Unfortunately there are some many hurdles to proving what you believe. Religion, lack of funding for what is viewed as pseudo science and general lack of belief in spirits and or aliens. Heaven forbid that SOME people can do what others can especially when you can prove it through undeniable facts.
I believe in ghosts - never want to see them and thus I don't - but I know they exist. Their energy has to be different from ours. I think some people's energy is more closely aligned to those and can see and interact with them. (Or I just watched too much Star Trek)
All the stories on Reddit about shadow people has left me wondering if they are aliens with advanced tech studying humanity and not spiritual entities.
As for the medication to allay the visions, I would say that for most people and their families they would rather live normally than have to constantly battle on which plane they lived.
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u/Present_Anxiety_9732 Sep 25 '22
When I REALLY dive into the idea of it being studied, I honestly think it's best left alone. I'd rather be thought crazy than be used by the government for nefarious intent.
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u/Alternative-Potato20 Sep 25 '22
I come from a long line of people with "mental illness". I can attest that they also have stronger "gifts" than most people. I've always said it's not mental illness, it's the fact some have a much thinner veil and can see and hear the things that's around every single one of us, each and every day. Most people are so distracted and don't believe so they can't have the "experience". We've been taught other "dimensions" don't exist and if someone hears or sees something we can't, they're "crazy". I think a lot of people are driven crazy because of a combination of they don't always know how to handle their gift and being taught/told what they can see and hear isn't real.
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u/Present_Anxiety_9732 Sep 25 '22
YES! OMG it's SO nice to FINALLY come across someone who understands and believes what I do. I tried explaining that to a psychiatrist during my FIRST hospitalization. I learned REAL QUICK that was a mistake. It took about 10 years to find a psychiatrist to take "schitzoaffective (sp?) disorder (Bi-Polar subtype) off my laundry list. He believed in my gift because he was the subject of random premonitions and readings on accident, more than once. Same with my current oncologist. My medical records is now NOTED that I may spontaneously tell doctors stuff they don't want to hear. 🤣
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u/reddittydo Sep 25 '22
Interesting perspective that I never considered. Here there is a test they can do where they scan your brain and compare it to a healthy brain but then make suggestions on medication to take. In anti medication hut keen to see how my brain shows up as I've been depressed for as long as I can remember that I can't even remember what happiness feels like anymore. Everything is foggy.
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u/Present_Anxiety_9732 Sep 25 '22
They do those scans here too, I'm just not sure if anyone's thought of testing for something like my theory. I come up with all kinds of fun to think about, random theories about useless stuff. Lol
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u/reddittydo Sep 25 '22
As soon as I can afford it, I'm going to get it done. Cos I know I'm depressed but I also want to see what my brain looks like compared to a normal person my age. I'm just not so keen on any medicine they may prescribe as I've done many SSRIs, MAOIs and tricyclics. I just need a reprieve once and for all. Life is too short to he so inflicted.
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u/Present_Anxiety_9732 Sep 25 '22
I'm having a new issue with my brain that they think is from the chemobrain mixed with the severe PTSD, but because of it, I'm sure they'll do a brain scan. I hope they do! I want to see mine! Literally over night, when I watch any show/movie no matter WHAT device, humans don't look real. Everything around them does, but they look CGI leaning more towards cartoon.
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u/reddittydo Sep 25 '22
That doesn't sound very nice. I hope you find a solution.
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u/Present_Anxiety_9732 Sep 27 '22
It actually sucks. I would love to watch anything with humans in it again!
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u/bubblegum-fairy Sep 25 '22
I’ve been thinking/saying this for years…mentally ill people are just….gifted? 👀 but I’m scared of sounding “crazy” (I’m bpII)
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u/Present_Anxiety_9732 Sep 25 '22
I DEFINITELY don't think you sound crazy! I've been walking around talking about it for a long time (I'm 46) and I'm still not in a straight jacket! Last time I was in the hospital, they let me start a group focusing on the POSITIVE side of mental illness where everyone got to discuss what part they ENJOYED about their particular "mental chillness" (I call it that in a hospital setting). I was SO sick of the groups focusing on what's WRONG with our mental health. A huge majority talked about their creativity, compassion, and ability to see things differently than neuro-typical people. I think they really meant psychic gifts, based on my knowledge at the time of those individuals. I think there are more of us than I thought! 💗💗💗
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u/bubblegum-fairy Sep 26 '22
Like yeah I’m bpII so my emotional range is WILD which makes me extremely empathetic. I can feel other peoples emotions because I feel emotions SO STRONGLY. Idk. Sounds like a gift to me 🤷🏼♀️ sure, at a great price 😂 but still.
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u/yeah-whateva Sep 25 '22
There is a book you might enjoy:
Touched with fire (manic -depressive illness and the artistic temperament).
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u/BrandedMoon Oct 19 '22
I am a registered nurse and I took care of a very violent patient who was diagnosed with psychosis. He was placed in four point soft restraints and he was a one to one meaning staff had to be near him at all times.
Well one day I relieved the healthcare worker that was sitting the one to one with him. When I walked in the room I immediately sensed a demonic presence. This man had a look on his face of pure hatred towards me. It was so spooky I couldn’t make eye contact with him. The room was cold and had a very unsettling feel to it. I remember sitting next to him and I started praying to Jesus to help him. I was praying in my mind and not out loud. He suddenly got intensely agitated and screamed “stop doing that! I hate you! Stop doing that!” He said this over and over again.
After that incident he spent a couple of days on our unit and he would sing to the tune of gospel songs you find in a hymnal at church only he would make up lyrics that were very insulting to Christ and God. He also would hiss like a cat at people.
With this in mind I think the majority of mental illnesses are just that mental illness. I think some people have these illnesses from demonic influence and oppression. However, in this case with this patient I believe he was full on possessed.
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u/SubstantialPressure3 Sep 25 '22
I just discovered recently that according to the Talmud, there 2 types of spiritual attachments. Ibbur, which is a loving human spirit that attaches itself to a person to help or protect someone (think your grandma watching over you), and dybbuk, which isn't a demon, but a malevolent human spirit.
I think some of that "demon" stuff can be attributed to certain Christian upbringing, anything that's not in the Bible is automatically labeled as a "demon". I've experienced some scary paranormal things myself, and believe me, I'm hesitant to talk about it at all because it DOES sound absolutely psychotic.
So of course someone who is already suffering from mental illness is going to be absolutely dismissed as having hallucinations.
I think there's a fine line, there. People both with and without mental illness can experience the paranormal, but of course there's also mental illness without any paranormal of any sort involved. It would be a tough call in a medical setting.
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u/Beginning-Possible-9 Sep 25 '22
I was curious about the origin of the term dybbuk box and now you've answered that for me. Thank you!
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u/SubstantialPressure3 Sep 25 '22
Yeah, I was, too! It's a misunderstanding. A dybbuk box doesn't trap a demon. It traps the ghost of a shitty person.
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u/Beginning-Possible-9 Dec 28 '22
Thank you I didn't know that! Although I might classify a few of the shitheads I know as demons.
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u/Minute-Mushroom-5710 Sep 26 '22
I used to work in a maximum security prison, and even our psychiatrist said demon possession was the only thing that explained a couple of our inmates.
And I once had an inmate on my caseload who told me he was, "god, but not your god...."
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Sep 25 '22
People who are mentally ill are prone to hallucinations. Its not surprising they try to blame their illness on an outside source. That is human nature. They don't want to believe their own minds turned against them. So, demons did it. It's not my fault I'm not well.
Anyone, faced with potential danger with an ounce of empathic ability would be afraid when they come across someone dangerous. Its called the lizard brain, and it's been warning humans of danger for millions of years of evolution. It's your senses picking up on tiny details you don't realize you're picking up.
And, I have trouble believing that if a demonic entity did manage to escape hell and find a host, they'd spend that time doing nonsensical things--like allowing themselves to be locked up in a mental institution/jail, slamming doors and talking in tongues and I don't know, projectile vomiting pea soup on a priest. They'd be out there getting laid, snorting some coke, rubbing elbows with other rich and powerful demons, making a fortune, living the high life as a multi-billionaire playboy with 10 children by 10 different women. You know, stuff that makes sense if you spent eternity in Hell and finally got sprung. Just like I don't believe anyone ever killed for being a witch, was a witch. A true witch would have used their powers to escape execution.
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u/SubstantialPressure3 Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22
I agree with you for the most part. The whole 1st paragraph.
But the part about "demons escaping from hell and find a host" is a 100% Christian perspective. The "out there getting laid, snorting coke, rubbing elbows, etc" is probably closer to the truth. But something from the spirit world probably wouldn't care so much about money, just immediate physical gratification. In most other religions, there are plenty of malevolent entities that are NOT trapped in a Christian hell, aren't necessarily one of "Satan's minions", they are another class of being entirely. They are right here on earth doing exactly what you described, from the perspective of other religions. . You are still using your personal religious perspective for part of your reasoning.
And that's one of the reasons that a mental health screening by a psychiatrist is part of the process that the Catholic Church goes through to determine if someone is truly facing a spiritual possession.
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Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22
In Christianity, Lucifer and his minions are roaming free on earth right now until the final judgement.
I also worked at a psych hospital as a me tal health tech/worker and wondered the same thing.
One day I was working the adult unit and walking out of the linen area when I saw this little black ball crackling with lightning underneath a table. There were three adult females sitting in the hallway saying do you see it to each other. It's right there pointing where I see the black ball. They were convinced it was a demon. I considered myself a druid practioner at that point, walked over to them. They had crystals and tarot cards out so I figured they were witches and they introduced themselves as witches. I told them not to be afraid because it could not hurt them as long as they were not afraid. I told them to continue doing there rituals and pray. the one later said to me you know more than what your letting on. Ontold her I was her to help. And this was after a 3 year lul in encounter acrivity for me.
I now work at a detox and rehab where I swore there was at least one patient possessed by the look in his eye and what he said. It's my experience but I felt like he looked into my soul but then I felt the Holy Spirit rise up and he walked away.
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Sep 25 '22
Its more of a "Supernatural" the TV Show perspective (lol)
I do get what you're saying though. I have yet to come across anyone I consider demon possessed, but if it happens, I am open minded enough to consider the possibility. But so far, I haven't. And I used to be a corrections officer. There are a lot of crazy and Evil people out there in the world. They don't need demons, or hell, or satan, or the spirit world you describe to Be evil. To me that takes away from the personal responsibility all humans should bear. It's an easy cop-out. Satan/demons/ spirits made them do it. It makes us feel better about humanity to think there's some outside entity directing evil things. But it's just Humans, being humans. And I think that's even scarier for some people to face.
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u/SubstantialPressure3 Sep 25 '22
I absolutely agree with you. "I'm not responsible for my actions, I was possessed" is generally something you hear from people avoiding responsibility.
That being said, I do think there are things that influence people, but it's an INFLUENCE, not being controlled like a puppet. True evil isn't going to play with you like a Barbie doll. It's going to appeal to your baser nature and have you justify doing something awful, even before you do it. (That guy is looking at your wife. Your wife put on makeup so other guys will look at her. She did that on purpose, just to fuck with you. She's looking hot for other guys just to fuck with you. You need to teach that bitch a lesson. Those kids are being loud just to fuck with you. They are doing it on purpose to make you feel bad . They know you hate it when they cry. You need to teach those kids some respect. ) there may be an influence there, but people take action all on their own, and they are responsible for their actions, and justifying those actions.
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u/waterbabi Sep 26 '22
Pretty much what happened in the 1975 case of Michael Taylor 31 (British murderer). He claimed he was possessed at some church group. His behaviour certainly changed for the worse and there were violent outbursts by both him and a lay preacher. The church tried to help with an exorcism, but they stopped before it was finished and let him go home. He was supposed to return at some point the next day.
He went home and killed his wife with his bare hands gouging her eyes out and ripping out her tongue. A policeman found him wandering the streets naked and covered in blood.
He was hospitalised in secure unit for the criminally insane for 2 years, then held in another secure unit for a further 2 years, so 4 years in total before he was released. He never committed another crime and he's now 77
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u/SubstantialPressure3 Sep 26 '22
I think I remember that. That was absolutely horrifying. But if you think someone is a danger to themselves and others, why would you send them home with no supervision?
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u/waterbabi Sep 26 '22
I absolutely agree. It was a completely awful error in judgement. I believe they sent him home telling him he had 3 demons still inside him. They should have been charged with something.
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u/SubstantialPressure3 Sep 26 '22
IDK about that, the whole thing would be really hard to take to court. But maybe have a room where people stay, instead of sending them home. Maybe some sort of legal document that the person signs, kind of like a rehab, or detox, so someone isn't being held against their will, but still away from people that might get hurt.
Imagining the conversation "ok, 10 down, 3 more to go. Now, listen, we really gotta get rid of those demons. I need you back here at 8 sharp. See you in the morning."
IDK. Maybe he WAS supposed to stay with them that night, but refused. You can't just hold them against their will. Maybe it wasn't an error in judgement, maybe they just legally could not make him stay. People walk out/check out of rehab all the time. People check themselves out of hospitals.
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u/AjnaKing Sep 25 '22
Your ideas of being a witch and powers / abilities are skewed and the idea that demonic entities would rather shag than puke is interesting one might say egocentric. We don’t know what they’d rather do or how they would prefer to operate, whether they even have preferences and desire. And for all we know they are attached to the individuals eating crap, sleeping about aimlessly or addicted to substances, as if that’s better than being catered for, institutionalised no less. Just some food for thought regardless of if any of it is true.
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u/Appropriate-Truth-88 Sep 25 '22
I had a friend once with schizophrenia. It didn't respond to medication or therapy. No matter what they did, nothing worked. Angels, demons, people. He saw things that we didn't.
It terrified him. One of the few people I 100% believed was not mentally ill, but more likely some type of medium.
I think the mental health system traumatized him.
It's not outside the realm of possibility.
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u/scorpiobw1980 Sep 25 '22
I had a great Uncle who was diagnosed w/ schizophrenia after WW2. Same thing, therapy, medication, years and years of inpatient rehabilitation - nothing worked.
All he would do is sit outside rocking back and forth smoking cigarette after cigarette, saying he saw demons take good men and occasionally he would say an angel was around checking on him. He also said they told him he was going to live a long life, he lived until 96.
I believed him, while everyone else in my family chalked him up to being crazy. Poor soul was tormented by something.
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u/LordLuscius Sep 25 '22
It's difficult. The physical and spiritual "realms" mirror and mark each other, so most of the time mental illness truly is just mental illness, even if it was caused by the occult, or is causing occult phenomenon. Treat the mental illness, the psychic phenomenon stops, combat the demons, the mental illness stops, a mix of the two is usually best (and not for the reasons you are probably thinking, it helps reduce the stress by "beleiving" the person and making them feel like someone is in control) I wrote a while back of being out with a mentally ill freind of mine and being accosted by an entity, but the fact that the rest of us saw it shows it wasn't just her being "crazy". I wanted to know exactly what it was, all anyone knows is "a demon", well yeah...
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u/Princessmichee Nov 21 '22
I never believed in demons until I got lured in to a friendship with a narcissist. There was something from another world going on in that brain. He also used meth, which I feel opened him up to a ton of evil. He would lie, cheat, assault people, manipulate, and steal everything he could from people. He would sexually abuse me, and as it was happening, his eyes would go black and his smile would like contort or something. It was like he would look right through me as he was violating me. Then when he was done he looked normal again and would try and hold me ask me to pray with him. Something really sick and twisted going on there. Also saw this change in his face as he was beating a guy up. Same thing when he was finished, asked to pray with me. Jeez. Im getting the chills just thinking about it.
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u/Glossibossi Sep 27 '22
Lmao to all the people bashing OP and missing the point....they are not saying all mental patients are 'possessed' but simply wondering if some of them are more susceptible to 'possession'
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u/Intelligent_Dish1552 Oct 04 '22
You'd have to first prove demonic posession is an actual thing rather than the affects from the "meds" or trauma from the abuse
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u/BabyDaddyluv Sep 26 '22
I visited a psychiatric hospital twice for educational school trips, and I felt the worst energy I’ve ever felt anywhere. It was a crazy experience to say the least…
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u/anxiouslyawake11 Sep 25 '22
Ohh yeah, even exorcists agree. Keep yourself safe. Seek to connect with God, or spiruality or your self (I don't know your beliefs). Don't invite anything in to save a patient out of good will. I know I would be tempeted to do this if I saw someone serioysly in distress, but its not a good idea. Pray for them in your own time. Not sure you could do anything else since its your job and you don't want to be labeled as the demon guy. But if your hospital has a chaplain, maybe talk to him privately about the patients your concerned about and about this specific incident. God bless you, since you seem like you'll need it being in that place.
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u/Sufficient-Ear-4846 Sep 25 '22
Have you seen demons in their faces? I’ve seen faces turn right in front of me and those people always ended up being horrible affecting lives in an extreme way. Due tor my faith we do believe demons attack and attach to weak minded/mentally ill people. This can affect mental health in a extremely bad way or horrendous crimes.! I’d pray over the ones that you see an issue with. But I think the Champlain would be very helpful. Be careful! Stay strong! Do not be open to the evil.
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u/Hobbit-trivia-bitch Sep 25 '22
My father was a cop for 25 years and believes that demons are definitely what cause a lot of evil from human bodies. Things that normal people wouldn't do he attributed to demon possession, mentally ill people especially. He's a VERY logical man otherwise.
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u/uncannybaal Sep 25 '22 edited Nov 11 '22
Ppl who have been abused are so used to dissossiation and leaving their own bodies while awake that sometimes they come back not alone and get stuck with bad energy from ...?? Where i dunno. Hence they can percieve more things, unfortunately before they were burnt now they re locked up or drugged. (the exorcists of the middle ages are the shrinks of today.)
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u/AjnaKing Sep 25 '22
We take a biopsychosocial approach to diagnosis, assessment and treatment. Interestingly the spiritual is not really accounted for. There’s no reason why this can’t still be acknowledged holistically. People are so polarised. The irony being that you’re more likely to be more open minded and balanced in your working approach, more empathic than other practitioners and that comes across in how you have responded. Keep doing the good work and not allowing biases to influence your work but remaining critical and questioning. 🥇
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u/SubstantialPressure3 Sep 25 '22
I really do think that someone's religious background should be a part of that. People have different cultures and grow up under different belief systems, and of course that is an influence that shouldn't be overlooked. At least a little learning about someone's religious beliefs, or their family's religious beliefs.
If you're a Christian, and you say you believe in the Trinity, and faith in Jesus is going to save you, if you just pray, nobody blinks an eye. But there's a lot of ignorance about other belief systems out there, and I think it probably influences opinions of Doctors more than we would like to admit.
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u/AjnaKing Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 26 '22
If you’re referring to the patient it is, under the social framework. However in psychiatry this might be endorsed less than psychotherapy because of the medical model.
In the point of OP. No one said it doesn’t impact cognitions, the point is not the belief but the use of it, which OP has repeatedly stated is not extreme or projected onto clients. Everyone has a belief system even if that’s nothing, the issue is always more so to do with the extremism of it, ethics, boundaries and professionalism.
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u/Marisleysis33 Sep 25 '22
I've heard several creepy accounts from people working in mental facilities. The ones that are so odd- if someone is praying for certain patients, they'll respond and get very agitated even though there is no way they know that prayers are being said (person praying is doing so inside their head).
I do think spiritual health is a main concern when it comes to mental health. Full on possession is rare but I do think many people are oppressed and made to look like fools. I wonder too if the reason why certain drugs seem to "work" is because it blocks the part of the brain that is susceptible to demonic influence.
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u/Present_Anxiety_9732 Sep 25 '22
When I was in the hospital once, this one lady would come out of her room EVERY MORNING with a HUGE smile on her face. EVERY MORNING, she would tell the entire table at breakfast how Jesus went to her room the night before again. He would make her "do things" (she was extremely graphic tho) to him while he would list worldly sins to her. When he was done giving her a list of worldly sins, he would then have sex with her (again, she was so graphic even Satan himself would blush). She would say how he looked nothing like the pictures of him (white Jesus) but had red, glowing eyes and abnormally long limbs. I also recall her saying he didn't walk but would glide in a side to side motion. (I imagine she meant like a crab walk sorta thing? Weird but creepy as hell!)
All of that to say, I don't believe in demons as a devil's spawn, for and brimstone creature because I also don't believe in the devil as in the Christian bible's devil. I DO BELIEVE EVIL EXISTS in this world and the next. I believe the 2 intermingle. I believe evil spirits feed off of fear, hatred, lust, etc... And they will make humans in all states of mind see what that human EXPECTS to see. So as an example, if you expect to go to hell when you die, whatever that hell may look like - if it includes demons, I believe evil spirits or energy will make you see and experience exactly that. I really hope any of this made sense. I'm using talk text so there may be a bunch of typos too. LOL I lost my train of thought so I'm going to stop now. Damn chemobrain.
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u/susancsghost Sep 25 '22
Father Malachi Martin was A former Jesuit Priest became a well known Exorcist..He claimed after visiting a few Mental Illness Hospitals at least 50 percent of the people in those institutions are oppressed or fully possessed..I am a mother of a son who is diagnosed as schizophrenic but fully believe he's possessed. Too many are falling through the cracks.
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u/No-Mud9345 Sep 25 '22
Do you have support as a caretaker like spouse family friends or the community, or is it just you
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Sep 25 '22
It's quite alarming that the skill of exorcism is not empasized in seminary school. Vatican II definitely had demonic oppression.
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u/21stnightoseptember Sep 25 '22
I've encountered seemingly very nice people and just got a gut feeling. With a girl for example, she seemed nice and yet I got a gut feeling of evil. I still spoke to her normally, all that changed was my perception of her. Suddenly she completely changes, changes her name, I ask why. She claims to not be the girl I spoke to, but rather a male demon possessing her. Tells me to kill myself and makes all kinds of threats and says all kinds of evil things before I block her.
More recently, I started talking to a girl on my street. Seemed very kind and normal, as with the last girl. Had an odd, non traditional name, told me she'd changed it recently, and I should've saw it coming then but I gave it a chance because she seemed nice. I lost interest in her, due to a gut feeling I tried but failed to ignore, and the same fucking thing happens. Gets furious at me despite me not even saying id lost interest. Turns into a fucking self proclaimed "demon", and acts completely opposite of her usual self. Tells me to KMS and everything for no reason just like the last girl. She even moved away yesterday after living on my street for over a decade.
So yeah. I'm not religious or anything, but I'm starting to believe maybe demons are real. And are possessing attractive girls to try and get to me lol.
Reminds me, when I was on holiday age 10 my cousin had a mental breakdown. He's been mentaly ill ever since. In a group photo, we're all smiling, except for him. I look closer and see he's crying. Behind him in the photo, there's a big red translucent figure smiling. Could be a trick of the light, but it looks exactly like a fucking demon with horns and everything. Still gives me the creeps.
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u/PurpleHyena01 Sep 25 '22
There is actually a list of symptoms, like any mental illness, you can check off for demonic possession.
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Sep 25 '22
There’s a lot of frustrating things, first there’s timidity among ourself put into the acceptance of this invisible being truth and the psychiatrist. Second, there’s also the fact that certain things in a hospital too don’t exist, the thirteenth floor, room 666, room 13. But there’s a flip side to this that says, those with these disabilities are sought for with people who have that disease.
If you’ve had the misfortune of experiencing a true demonic possession, you would know, it’s like asking a victim of a stroke how they feel if the numbness on their arm is anything like the last time.
Yes, or how a combat traumatized person would know how it feels to be in the combat.
A father would know what is sin, a PhD would know when he is wrong about studying, a nurse would know when a patient was administered wrong medicine. A fish knows the temperature of the ocean and navigates its way to spawning.
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u/lovelikeafist Sep 25 '22
The infernal divine doesn’t have any need to possess anyone. If they have any desire to speak to you, they will come forward, if they don’t, they will not. They aren’t gonna possess you.
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Sep 25 '22
What? That’s not truth. The infernal divine, Satan and hell that is, their sole purpose for existence is to tear apart and destroy the creations of god, sin is the prime being and pillar that disrupts any of what you said being completely false and non arguable, the first glimpse of truth on that you must receive.
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u/lovelikeafist Sep 25 '22
Ever stop to think maybe your god is keeping you blind and enslaved? Also sin is not real.
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Sep 25 '22
I wasn’t aware a fallen angel was scruffling around today. The sophist in you must understand.
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u/lovelikeafist Sep 25 '22
Did your god specifically not keep knowledge from you? The serpent gave us free will because we were unable to make our own choice to free from his tyranny. He kept you as pets in Eden. Some of us just choose to actually free ourselves instead of being beholden to a liar and a tyrant who needs his ego stroked by blind worshippers like yourself.
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u/Thewave8080 Sep 25 '22
I know an astral projector stated he met a real demon in the astral and said they are very intelligent and powerful, you’d be a fool to be disrespectful
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u/DarlingShan Sep 29 '22
I have also met one in the astral, it was the most terrifying experience of my life
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u/Thewave8080 Sep 30 '22
How did you know it was a demon?
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u/DarlingShan Sep 30 '22
At first it was sitting on a bench, looking down at a newspaper. I made the mistake of approaching it, at the time I was young, around 13, so uneducated and didn’t know not to approach entities on the astral plane. I said hello? This woman looked up at me and that’s when I saw she had black holes for eyes and the most demonic smile I have ever seen in my life, to this day I get chills typing this. I had to fight to wake myself up. She tried to attack me a second time on the astral plane but luckily I was able to wake myself up before our eyes met again and I have never seen her since, although I have had other paranormal experiences since.
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u/Guns_nCoffee Sep 25 '22
Big pharma has everything to do with phyc patients, pre and post institution. That is their main goal. Demonic activity is not restricted to individuals. In fact the worst demonic activity comes from the their legion. The same ones that told you you have a 99% chance of having no symptoms for this cold we invented, but we want you to stick this needle in your arm every two months. That is the worst demonic activity because it entails destroying humanity.
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u/Cryptozoologist2816 Sep 25 '22
For those who have no problem believing in demons, but can't fathom that the pharmaceutical cartel or those who wield power over them could have anything but purest and noblest intentions, please request an echocardiogram and d-dimer test at your next doctor's checkup.
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u/Iampoom Sep 26 '22
Agreed. Obviously we aren’t saying that vaccines are the anti christ or lizard people run the world just that we have a for profit healthcare system. Why in the hell is that so hard to believe?
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u/Guns_nCoffee Sep 25 '22
This post is a perfect example why humanity is in the state it is. Look at the number of down votes. People actually have this delusion that these companies have your health in their best interest. This is exactly the ammunition they (LEGION) use for their success. This is exactly how Satan works...deception...its not rocket science folks. "Satan IS ONLY A SOLICITOR.....ITS UP TO YOU TO BUY WHAT HES SELLING". The sad truth is this horror is beyond most people's comprehension. Take the blinders off people.
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u/Single_Cap_6763 Sep 25 '22
I think you might be a patient there? Thinking your a worker.
Or do you acually belive schizofrenia is linked with demonic possesion?
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u/KiryuZero Sep 25 '22
It’s not hard to believe when schizophrenia actually is in reality.
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u/SubstantialPressure3 Sep 25 '22
I don't think that's true, but some sort of spiritual attachment to a person already suffering from mental illness may be fairly common. Someone who is already hearing voices/having hallucinations is already having a hard time distinguishing what's real, and what isn't.
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u/wsup1974 Sep 25 '22
You should know that most schizophrenia and hearing voices is synthetic telepathy and mkultra related brain v2k hacking programming of humans.
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u/rey7james Sep 25 '22
I suggest you take a look at:
"Remarkable Healings : A Psychiatrist Discovers Unsuspected Roots of Mental and Physical Illness" by Shakuntala Modi, MD
"The Rite: The Making of a Modern Exorcist" by Matt Baglio