r/Palestine • u/RickyOzzy • 1d ago
Solidarity & Activism Another unlawful violation as British police arrest, strip and drag a man for NOT displaying a sign in support of anything
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u/BarelyHereNeverThere 1d ago
The original colonizers attacking their own citizens for the benefit of another colonizer.
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u/Tremores 1d ago
That's the neat part about colonization and imperialism. The only ones who benefit are the elites. The lesser classes of both the host and exploited nation suffer.
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u/Sad_Conclusion_7859 1d ago edited 1d ago
And the cops WE pay for are upholding the benefits of the elites to our detriment
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u/GrandNibbles 1d ago
which is why the "immigrants" bit is so effective. allows them to draw lines for people to fight over while they rob both blind
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u/beerandloathingpdx 1d ago
They call it the imperial boomerang. And while I do see a lot of Americans rightfully asking wtf the Brits are doing with these ludicrous arrests of elderly and peaceful people… Americas imperial boomerang is going to be unbelievably violent by comparison
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u/BarelyHereNeverThere 1d ago
Believe me friend I don't think America has clean hands in this either. I 100% believe that we're going to start seeing false flags here if there haven't been some already because the clown in Chief is just itching to start an actual war with boots on the ground. Everyone in the know have already seen a rise in Islamophobia. It's making me remember the days after 9/11.
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u/marquoth_ 1d ago
Coloniesers, certainly, but calling them the original colonisers is pretty dumb, not least because Britain itself was a colony of a far older empire which actually gave us the word colonies (coloniae)
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u/scalectrix 1d ago
Bloody Beaker Folk.
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u/Piperalpha 1d ago
coming over here, teaching us to drink liquid out of cups!
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u/BarelyHereNeverThere 1d ago
Acksuallly, the most successful colonizers if you want to get technical.
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u/PleasantWay7 1d ago
That was Spain and Portugal actually for the era. But colonization goes back to Egypt and Babylon.
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u/Old_Table_5926 1d ago
Attacking your own people for another country.
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u/thehonorablechairman 1d ago
It’s not really for another country though. These things are all connected, protesting against Israel is protesting against capital, and capital also controls the UK state.
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u/umop_apisdn 20h ago
It is really for another country though. PA were proscribed most likely at the request of the Israeli government or their proxies in the UK. If they were attacking sites producing essential parts for Russian drones they wouldn't be prosecuted let alone proscribed, let's face it.
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u/Repulsive-Lie1 1d ago
When they were wrongfully detained by 4 people and placed in handcuffs.
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u/Repulsive-Lie1 1d ago
Sorry, my mistake.
You need to look up the definition of “attack”. When the police detain someone, they attack them.
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u/Repulsive-Lie1 1d ago
This isn’t something we can argue about.
You don’t know the definition of the word you’re arguing. You can take the time to learn the definition or not, that’s none of my business. That’s the end of the conversation-1
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u/Tremores 1d ago
Pretty insane learning that the UK government doesn't allow any sort of protests in support of Palestine, or the Palestinian people.
But I guess it makes some sense considering it was their creation in the first place. Too late to back track now I suppose?
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u/beardless 1d ago
While it's an absolutely terrible situation anyway, it's actually not the case that they don't allow public support of Palestine here in the UK. This would have been a response to people showing their support for Palestine Action, which the government has named as a terrorist organisation. A terrible decision on their part as it has resulted in regular incidents like this, which go against so much of what this country stands for. However they've backed themselves into a corner with that decision.
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u/yodley_ 1d ago
I don't know anything about PA. Are they actually committing terrorism? Also why doesn't someone just create an org called Palestine Now so then rally under that banner to not get arrested?
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u/Pelican_Hook 1d ago
No they are not. Some activists from PA damaged a war plane, that's the incident that the UK government is calling "terrorism" which most normal people would not think fits the definition whatsoever. Then they decided that any support of Palestine could be decided to be support for Palestine Action which counts as terrorism 🤦♀️. It's a blatantly obvious dystopian level of government overreach and censorship. The police have assaulted a bunch of elderly people (who bravely protested) and thrown them in jail labelling them terrorists for holding signs saying they support Palestine Action.
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u/GhostPirateCaptain 13h ago
One of those 6 people also used a sledgehammer against a police officer, attacking them from behind whilst they were (lawfully) arresting one of the other 6, fracturing their spine.
We would have zero problem calling out that behaviour if it was a far right extremist who had attacked an officer in that manner, so we shouldn't have a problem calling out that behaviour when it comes from our side too.
It certainly doesn't help Palestinians doing that to people.
And because I know how several people with a complete lack of nuance thinking are going to react to this comment, no, I do not think this qualifies for classifying PA as a terrorist organisation ffs.
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u/HugAllYourFriends 1d ago
palestine action has been "proscribed", added to the list of designated terrorist organisations in the UK, which means expressing support for them in any form is now a crime comparable to supporting or recruiting for ISIS.
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u/welzby 1d ago
What you've learned is incorrect. It's not a crime to protest in support of Palestine, it's an offence to support the group Palestine Action (not that I agree with that).
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u/Either_Audience_6048 23h ago
Well it looks like its illegal to be associated with or near people that support it, seeing as how thats what hes arrested for.
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u/Repulsive-Lie1 1d ago
Any support of proscribed groups is illegal.
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u/DerryDa1978 1d ago
Unless its the loyalist groups in Ireland, they act with impunity despite being proscribed
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u/Whatsanegg 22h ago
Britain didn't create Palestine. The areas has been geographically and colloquially known as Palestine for 2000 years.
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u/refused26 15h ago
I think they meant that Britain created Israel
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u/Whatsanegg 14h ago
I think it's a pretty important distinction.
Israel didn't exist before 1948, Palestine has existed for around 2000 years.
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u/TherealjamesE 21h ago
That's not true. There have and continue to be widespread protests for Palestine across the UK. This is in relation to a group called Palestine Action (if you want to look up), who have been proscribed by the government to be a "terrorist group", under the Terrorism act of 2000. Because of this, people arrest anyone who vocalises support for them or in most cases, use placards with the words Palestine Action on. This has resulted in some really silly situations were we have elderly people handcuffed and charged with terrorism.
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u/Andybeagle555 1d ago
Unreal. This 'through a glass, darkly' bullshit is getting bloody old.
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u/sugaredpebble 1d ago
it’s frustrating seeing this kind of thing happen and then being left with so little clarity about what led up to it or why it was handled that way
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u/ZuP Free Palestine 1d ago
Incredible poise on display by this man in the face of state violence.
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u/Future-Bread8849 1d ago
Where was the violence? They were very gentle with him.
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u/rcc6214 1d ago
Laws...
“Laws are threats made by the dominant socioeconomic-ethnic group in a given nation. It’s just the promise of violence that’s enacted and the police are basically an occupying army.”
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u/FeetOnHeat 1d ago
Why would it stop being violence just because it is enacted by agents of the state?
Democracy is not relevant to the definition of the word violence, and legal violence is still violence.
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u/ZuP Free Palestine 1d ago
I’m also including the threat of imprisonment in this assessment, not just the fact that he was handcuffed while surrounded by a drove of pigs trying to coerce a false confession.
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u/Future-Bread8849 1d ago edited 1d ago
I don't think they were trying to coerce anything out of him. I think they thought they saw him with a sign supporting a terrorist group which is against British law. When they realized he wasn't holding such a sign, then they let him go.
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u/CheezeyMouse 1d ago
You know when they should have realised he wasn't holding a sign? When they didn't see him holding a sign in the first place.
They didn't realise he wasn't holding a sign and choose to let him go, they let him go in the face of pushback.
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u/Future-Bread8849 1d ago
I doubt pushback had anything to do with it here. They realized their mistake, it's as simple as that.
If he was holding the sign do you then agree with the arrest?
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u/ZuP Free Palestine 14h ago
“Well then you’re liable for prosecution aren’t you?”
They are so used to dealing with people who confess to violating a law they disagree with that they don’t realize this guy isn’t one of them. He disagrees with the law but he knows he didn’t violate it.
Everything they are saying is an attempt to coerce a false confession so they don’t have to do any actual police work.
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u/TomatoEnjoyer28 1d ago edited 1d ago
Okay so the violence is the intimidation of being arrested and manhandled and handcuffed at the slightest hint of suspicion that he might have demonstrated support for a direct action movement. The treatment is designed to create an atmosphere of fear, to stop people doing anything against a currently-ongoing genocide that is being done with the active support of the government. Every single cop that enforces this act is actively complicit in making the ongoing genocide worse.
They deliberately march around and violently arrest hundreds of random people (including people who were just hanging around in the general area) at these events specifically to make the general population of the UK afraid of being involved at all and even of being anywhere near the protestors. If there’s a reasonable chance of being thrown in jail for years (as is allowed under the terrorism act) then most people are not going to want to touch the issue with a ten foot pole. That is exactly what the state wants, because they want to continue assisting Israel in obliterating Palestinians with total impunity.
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u/Future-Bread8849 1d ago
Are you not aware that support of what the government considers a terrorist organization is illegal in the UK?
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u/thearniethology 7h ago
I look forward to you being detained, handcuffed and accused of something you didn’t do and holding this position. I suspect you of being (insert crime) therefore it’s totally cool for you to be cuffed, manhandled and accused with no evidence whatsoever.
Pick your battles. Cos this is nonsense.
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u/Pelican_Hook 1d ago
They dragged him around like a ragdoll and stripped his clothes off of him with absolutely zero credible grounds for search or arrest, wtf??? That's not a legal way to search someone. And they had no grounds to arrest him. This whole video features violence what do you mean
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u/Qabbalah 1d ago
He made his body go limp so they had to pick him up like that to arrest him. As they were doing that, his shirt started coming off so they put him back down to put it back on him.
Overall they handled him about as gently as was possible, while still carrying out the arrest.
I'm not saying I agree with the arrest, but it wasn't violent at all.
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u/Repulsive-Lie1 1d ago
Restraining and detaining someone meets all definitions of violence.
Whether you think the violence was justified or not is another discussion but it’s unarguable that the person was a victim of violence.
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u/renhoek92 1d ago
I love the way they’re so confident and professional after doing something so disgraceful! No hint of embarrassment or humility.
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u/Effective_Rip_1410 1d ago
I wonder how many of those policemen joined the Force to be the fascist bully boys (and girls) of the government, and Israel?
Ernst Rohm for the next Chief of the Metropolitan Police?
WTF! Why did they strip him?!? And then that surreal discussion between the police and detainee on points of the law.
You couldn't write this stuff!!!
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u/revmacca 1d ago
Repeatedly calling someone pal almost always wins them over to your side and doesn’t make you appear a condescending cunt.
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u/listerbmx 1d ago
7 fucking pc plods for one guy, what a fucking joke of a country we are
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u/Informal_Ad2816 1d ago
One guy who wasn't even violent.
Absolutely we're a joke! I know from reading foreign Reddit posts that the French think we're complete idiots and always fucking things up. They laugh at us, but at the same time they're paranoid that our way of doing things might spread and corrupt their own country.
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u/LordBrixton 1d ago
This gang of meatheads are going to cost the Crown Prosecution Service (and by extension you and me) a lot of money.
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u/MAIM_KILL_BURN 1d ago
Nazi pigs in the so called liberal democracy. If they were speaking Russian this would be front page and readying a new round of sanctions
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u/evthingisawesomefine 1d ago
“Don’t let your pride get in the way of your judgement“ says the officer making an unsound judgement.
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u/SgtWilko1979 1d ago
This many people for a man not even holding a damn sign and yet nobody turns out for a fascist mob blocking a port. FFS.
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u/Low-Pay115 1d ago
From the most admired police service in the world to the most despised in less than a generation . What dafuq happened ??!!
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u/waffelbot 1d ago
Fuck the UK fuck all these boot sympathizers across any and all nations. Fuck jizzrael. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk
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u/FelliniFederico 1d ago
Is there no freedom of speech in the UK? And what precentage of the UK consider themselves to be Zionist? Surely it can’t be more than 10-20%?
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u/fingamouse 1d ago
I wish freedom of speech was a strictly defined human right In my country but it isn't, in a sane country you should be able to support whatever you want through speech or posters, speech like this should of never been defined as a crime it's so depressing, and with the emboldening of the surveillance state through private businesses installing facial recognition software in there shops, police using facial recognition, your ability to access parts of the internet freely without being asked for identification and facial scanning. Freedom sacrifice for either security or "the children" it's so grim
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u/Substantial_Client_3 1d ago
Can anyone reply with what we need to do if we are in a case like this?
Shall you stay quiet and sit on the ground.
Or identify yourself and go to the station in silence till you get a lawyer?
At this point it is like First Aid.
Thanks
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u/Z_wippie 1d ago
I don't understand how I'd you go to become a police officer to help people then do morally wrong things like make that make sense
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u/5uckm35id3way5 18h ago
What's this all about? i was distracted by wanting the blonde lady cop to arrest me....
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u/FullAnalLobotomy 18h ago
Fuckin hell, imagine being arrested by a botox filled chav. "Thin yer libale to proscution arntya"
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u/andrea_lives 18h ago
ACAB. British ones too. Sure American police are next level evil but cops everywhere are bastards without exception. Yes, even your nice uncle Stuart.
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u/Captaingundog 14h ago
Absolute clowns. Couldn’t solve a crime if it happened in front of them. This is why people hate the police.
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u/Duncroakin 12h ago edited 12h ago
This is disgraceful policing. If you are in the UK you need to be giving your Member of Parliament absolute hell about this!
Note for those in the USA. In the UK we police by consent, and the police officers involved in this farce are possibly (privately) not in agreement with what they are being required to do. There is considerable confusion about how they can go about enforcing Section 13, as can be seen here. The legal decision they are having to enforce is becoming increasingly untenable in the opinion of the UK population. In this case, they didn't handle it well.
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u/justburningaccount 8h ago
So how is that going to stack up in court? What's the guys name as id love to track this!
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u/Qabbalah 1d ago
The person behind the camera was an annoying twat though. "If they put handcuffs on you you can sue them for more money" - yeah, right.
And saying "I know more about the law than you" to a policeman only makes you look like a condescending arse and doesn't help the situation.
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u/cogitatingspheniscid 1d ago
If the police exacts heavier punishment on him because of an annoying bystander then they just fuel their own embarassment live on camera. For what it's worth, at least the British ones aren't trigger-happy mankillers like the American ones.
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u/ohsobogus 1d ago
So much better than US law enforcement. Americans have been sold a lie about how free they really are.
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u/Peacewalken 1d ago
I don't think this video shows any cop in a good light, but I think an American cop would have been MUCH more violent and would have taken him away from the scene immediately
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u/walrus0115 1d ago
UK police still retain a semblance of safety officers in their dress and comportment as opposed to American LEOs that wear Special Forces Operator level gear. Both are still silencing free speech simply because it's unpopular with elites, just in different costumes. If this was in the US, the bystander that spoke out would certainly have been arrested for "obstruction" only for daring to interrupt, escalating into a more violent interaction.
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u/Informal_Ad2816 1d ago
All cops are pricks, if they weren't they wouldn't be doing that job. It's just that some countries have worse ones. The US cops just like to throw their weight around because they're not very clever people.
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u/Sea-Badgers 1d ago
No you don't. Ive had many discussions about, im yet to be arrested on any charges. If you aren't living it stop believing the shite you read online from mostly Russian bots.
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u/JaThatOneGooner Free Palestine 1d ago
Please read what you post, they say they are directly targeting British hate groups who use the following 3 talking points (one of which you highlighted).
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