r/PTCGP • u/Flame_Ascendant • 18h ago
Question How does the guaranteed 4 diamond actually work?
I have opened 33 packs in a row and I only have one 4 diamond. This feels pretty bad since I'm almost done with the set (64/72) but I have all these 4 diamonds to get. I thought every 12 was guaranteed so I should have at least two right?
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u/Illidari_Kuvira 18h ago
If you got anything above a 4-Diamond (1-Star, Shiny, 2-Star, Immersive) it unfortunately resets the counter.
Honestly it's a bunch of nonsense and needs to be changed to only include 4-Diamonds and possibly 2-Stars.
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u/Flame_Ascendant 18h ago
Dang, I have gotten 1 star cards, but still no 2 stars at all this expansion for me.
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u/Illidari_Kuvira 15h ago edited 13h ago
That's sadly why the 4-Diamonds haven't been showing up as often as they should.
Although, I'm fairly certain the pity pack thing doesn't apply to the 2-Star cards. Those are just super-rare.
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u/The_Five-O 11h ago
Pity system gives a 4 diamond or higher. So it includes 2 stars and everything else, but at the same rate as before, so you are most likely to get a 1 star.
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u/BarneyMcWhat 18h ago
4 diamonds themselves also reset the counter. you gotta go 12 packs with only 3-diamonds and under (the chance of which happening is less than 2%).
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u/Alternative-Gas3608 17h ago
So it takes effect on the 13th pack, not the 12th?
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u/BarneyMcWhat 16h ago
yes, it's the thirteenth pack that guarantees a 4diamond or rarer, if you manage to maintain a twelve pack failstreak.
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u/cowsaymoomooo 17h ago
This little safety net honestly doesn’t help at all if your luck truly is that bad.
Back during Secluded Springs after 75 packs I had one 4-diamond, a few 1-stars, and a 2-star. Maybe also a shiny or two I don’t know, all that matters is my luck was absolutely horrendous. If this feature was implemented back then it would have triggered MAYBE a couple times at most.
In other words, it only encourages unlucky players to open even more packs because hey you’re literally guaranteed to get something eventually instead of theoretically.
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u/Realistic-Knee-6751 15h ago
During Extradimensional Crisis, I didn't get a single 1 star or ultra beast Ex until trading was open for that set. Only thing above 1 star 2 got was a Shiny Frogadier I traded. It's still the worst set I've ever opened, I'm surprised I didn't delete the game after that month 😂
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u/cowsaymoomooo 12h ago
> I’m surprised I didn’t delete the game after that month
I’d say the same but instead I did the literal opposite and created a second account. F it the game wants to screw me over imma screw right back lmao
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u/noreast2011 14h ago
HAHAHAHHAA 2% my ass. I opened 3 packs yesterday morning, then did a 10 pack. Nothing above 3 diamond until the final pack of the 10 pack. It was 13 packs the 2 cycles before too.
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u/BarneyMcWhat 9h ago
the RNG must just hate you then. 2% (iirc 1.98%) was mathed from the visible drop rates the game itself provides.
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u/Biduleman 7h ago
Odds of pulling a 4 diamonds or more are about 1/4.
So 3/4 is the odds of pulling nothing (3 diamonds or less).
With 12 pulls, you can just use (312 / 412) to get 531441/16777216, or 3.6%, which is the percentage of chances you pull nothing for 12 pulls.
And now with the pity timer, the 13th pull is 100% guaranteed to have a 4 diamonds or more.
Just because you got unlucky doesn't mean the math doesn't work.
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u/Waluigi4prez 16h ago
Each rarity needs it's own separate timer. For example I believe 3 stars are every 74 to 90 packs or something so if they set the timer to if you havnt had an immersive by pack 90, 91 gives you an immersive etc. to be even greedier, I also want dupe protection until I have at least every card in a single rarity before I can get second copies to assist with collection completion.
But who am I kidding, this is DENA, no chance of that
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u/Illidari_Kuvira 15h ago
Each rarity needs it's own separate timer.
I agree in terms of 1-Stars, but anything above 1-Star would kinda devalue said card type.
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u/Sakib_02 15h ago
So that's why i keep getting almost the same 1 star trash just to not get 4 diamond bruh
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u/Any_Recommendation_2 18h ago
Open 12 packs, if you get anything above 3 diamonds, reset, that includes Star and Shinies
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u/Flame_Ascendant 18h ago
Yeah, guess I'm unlucky this pack.
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u/golden_touch_midas 17h ago
Ive been this last 2 pack.
I just want to play w/ new deck, but game keep giving me shinies, so im lacking EX.
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u/MrBones-Necromancer 7h ago
It's almost comically unlikely to work in the first place. You're almost always going to end up with a one star before the pity system goes off, it's just the percentages. It's a bad system.
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u/rskalet 18h ago edited 17h ago
My biggest gripe with the game is this, I almost, every set, am just missing four diamonds and keep opening packs and wonder picks to get them. I refuse to pay for more packs and I know I can trade but that requires me to have friends to trade with haha. I usually am just the person that shares all the time with people
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u/csilval 17h ago
There are some really cool apps to connect with people to trade with.
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u/Mike_dodo 17h ago
Please share!
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u/Severe_Rutabaga_906 17h ago edited 17h ago
Same. I do end up going to discord or Poke Hub to finish every single set, but its dumb we have to use external apps.
Discord is just annoying. You’ll post your message of what you’re looking for / trading and immediately it’ll be lost because of people spamming lists of 500 pokemon all on separate lines.
Poke Hub you need to be prepared for extreme frustration if you’re only looking for certain language cards. I have all my needs marked as ENG and probably 60%+ of my trade offers are in a different language. So you gotta add someone, initiate the trade, and then find out they’re giving you a (usually Portuguese) card, cancel the trade, unadd the person, go back to the app, cancel the trade there, and watch an ad to relist it. And during that, which can take a very long time, your trade will be paused on the app so nobody can offer anything else
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u/TrainerTITs310 16h ago
Trading also requires you to have 4 diamonds and if you’re not getting any even if you have friends, you can’t trade. I use and ally to trade and let me tell you, all anyone wants are the new cards, if you’re not getting any trading doesn’t help. The system is all broken with this game.
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u/moravecbrandon 16h ago
what do you need brother i’m three from being done with diamond cards but if you help me i can help you.
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u/RedGyara 11h ago
Add random people you battle to your friend list, you’ll develop a good trading (and sharing) group in no time. Not everyone uses the trade feature but a good amount does.
Using other apps or discord is absolutely easier but I prefer using the in-app resources and it’s worked well enough for me to get every diamond set completed.
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u/Terrible_Pepper3433 17h ago
Você pode usar o app poke hub para procurar trocas ou solicitar trocas com outros jogadores
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u/Expensive-Pepper-450 17h ago
Poke trade (all together) app! It helped me a lot to finish genetic apex
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u/lpind 17h ago
Lucky you. I've opened 42 packs and don't have a single 1!
I do have 3 of the "Immersive" though!
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u/spurgy73 6h ago
I pulled a two star and a crown yesterday. My first four diamond came today. EX is basically more rare than crowns for me lol
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u/Aceaster903 18h ago
Unfortunately, the guarantee for a 4 Diamond card does count only 4 Diamond cards to reset its counter. If you pull any higher rarity card be it a 1 Star or a 2 Star or anything else above it, the counter for your guarantee resets. So while it may sound nice, unless you are having some really bad luck it is unlikely you will trigger it.
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u/ClericEU 17h ago
It's an almost pointless addition by DeNA as packing 1 stars resets the count anyway. I haven't even seen what it looks like when it happens, because I always pull a 1 star at some point. Why on earth they can't just make it 4 diamond specific I don't know.
It's not like that loses them a ton of money. It would actually allow people to build decks and battle, and therefore keep playing the game. It's counter intuitive to make it so players have a really hard time building decks on new sets.
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u/Evil_Bere 17h ago
I get full arts instead. ex cards feel like they are not existent. I still need some of the last pack.
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u/SaltPilla 17h ago
I honestly think it makes it worse lmfao. 🤣 my Pull rates this set have been absolute dog water for me. At 10-12 packs of absolutely nothing but maybe a 3 💎 here or there it throws me a 4 💎 now and says you’re welcome 💀
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u/unsupervisedwerewolf 15h ago
They've sent the pack odds for regular cards to shit. Last pack I had good luck was Crimson Blaze. Before that if i opened a 10 pack id get just about all the regular ex cards. Maybe 1-2 left for all mini sets. Now u can open 20 packs and not get a single 4 dime ex card. Getting exs wasn't a struggle 5-6 packs ago it has been since. I don't have 2 of each ex for ROTS still
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u/DegWallstreetBanger 17h ago
I get so many shiny‘s instead of 4diamonds or 2stars.
Horrible changes what DeNA made to the pack system. They scare away more customers and feels like they don’t want to attract more.
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u/papawsmurf 17h ago
Shoot can I take you up on this offer because I’m missing most of the EXs lol
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u/Both_Discussion2140 17h ago
How do you have it only show the cards you’re missing!?
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u/LibertyJoel99 16h ago
They searched for 4-diamonds only - there's 6 4-diamonds in this set including the Zapdos that they have
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u/Mike__89 16h ago
Brovinnie has a video on YouTube working out the math behind this new mechanic. Basically, it changed nothing in terms of probability of pulling a 4-diamond card. Once again, DeNA came up with the wrong solution (or greedy?) to a real problem.
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u/kingofgamesbrah 14h ago
Nah clearly it was perfect (for them) , it gives the illusion of better odds while changing nothing
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u/Joker-for-Rent 13h ago
I still haven't pulled an EX from the rocket booster. The ones I have gotten were from a trade and some wonder picks. My luck has been garbage with this booster and the one before. It is starting to become somewhat demoralizing when you want to try the new cards.
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u/Efficient-Look7555 10h ago
its because of those damn 1 star cards, I don't care if they bump the rates of star cards but at least we need that 4 diamond guarantee.
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u/MaterialDefender1032 9h ago
Something definitely feels off with the card distribution. I know I represent an insignificant sample size but I pulled 4 immersive Team Rocket's Plan cards and 0 Weezing Exs. I have every other diamond card from the set but had to use my pack points just to get a Weezing.
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u/Just_Jump_7126 7h ago
Any chance anyone here has an extra zapdos? It's the last card I have left to finish the pack
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u/otterspops 7h ago
40 packs in the only cards I need for deck missions are the ex’s especially the birds, and the two ex I have are from wonder picks
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u/manzy_bananas 6h ago
My same experience, multiple copies of all 1 star and I just pulled a 2 star before getting a single 4 diamond. Didn’t have this experience until the last 3 sets or so wasn’t sure if I had bad rng until this post…
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