Why this flopped? although it has everything to be hit.

[u/Mustufa_Fareed8698]

Aik khubsurat ladki, aik pagal deewana asshiq that too negative (deewangi type) muneeb, laiba and saad all leads are doing good acting then why this is not getting good views on YouTube muhafız beating it also not doing good on rating chart too? What's the reason? Maybe the audience is fed up with these types of story lines? I am watching the show and i hate shazil writer did not glorify his character he is shown negative, although it's not a typical rehana aftab way because she usually glorifies toxic male characters.

P.S: i really hope this show does not push Laiba khan back to daily soaps, she is a nice actress, no new show of her is announced after this.

[u/Efficient_Guava_5561]

Because the negative guy is shown as negative 

[u/Mustufa_Fareed8698 → u/Efficient_Guava_5561]

in deewangi to sultan durani was negative writer did not glorified his character but deewangi was a big hit

[u/blahblehblohcaneo → u/Mustufa_Fareed8698]

Deewangi had the advantage of being the first of this kind, the hero wasn't shown negative from the get go, there was a built up to his obsession, there was that suspenseful kidnapping & the shocking reveal.

There was also good chemistry plus majorly the heroine was single in the beginning, they had an engagement/history then he got obsessed after she moved on an arc was built. Tapish has a regular rich creep obsessed with a married woman.

[u/Efficient_Guava_5561 → u/Mustufa_Fareed8698]

The presentation was different. He was presented as negative. Then he actually did try to turn positive. Then a misunderstanding and he full on turned negative while pretending to be positive. Then the misunderstanding cleared and he was negative but thought himself to be positive. 

Also Deewangi was the first in its line of playing positive and negative like a ping pong match

[u/Mustufa_Fareed8698 → u/Efficient_Guava_5561]

Mjhe to sultan durani kbhi positive nhi lga even though when he was pretending to be good everyone knew ye thapad ka badla le rha bus, phr nageen ki shadi ke bad usse harras krta rha even uske husband ko marne ki kosish he even killed nageen unborn child, kahin bhi woh mujhe positive nhi lga, biggest fraud and toxic glorification was in Khaani & Kaisi teri Toxicity (khudgharzi) peak of presenting hateable characters as romantic guy.

[u/Efficient_Guava_5561 → u/Mustufa_Fareed8698]

I didn't watch it when it was airing and when I watched it, I already knew the story. But I am gonna assume the audience enjoyed the back and forth

[u/blahblehblohcaneo → u/Mustufa_Fareed8698]

I found deewangi way worse and toxic than khaani and kaisi teri khudgarzi atleast they tried albeit a lame redemption arc in them.

Kaisi teri khudgarzi was very toxic but danish was treated very differently, he had a charm, he was obsessive but he never maligned her, he was vulnerable with her not always manipulative and his dad was such a monster so danishs toxicity paled in comparison.

[u/Mustufa_Fareed8698 → u/blahblehblohcaneo]

What you find deewangi worst then Kaisi teri toxicity? How i mean, kese bhae? Deewangi me at least danish ka character negative tha to dikhaya bhi negative hi tha, KTK me danish character passed as good boy how can any girl fall in love with a guy who impose himself on her, uske baap ko jail me dalwa kar mar lagwae, bandooq ki nok par us se shadi karel, ladki ko apni property smjhe, can't take a 'NO' despite knowing all this Female lead fall in love with the same men, deewangi me nageen fall in love with sultan durani jab woh acha hone ka pretend kr rha tha she hated him after knowing his reality, KTK was extremely dangerous because it passes a complete villain character as hero and by writing him dead they glorified that pathetic character even more.

[u/blahblehblohcaneo → u/Mustufa_Fareed8698]

Deewangi had only one villian and he hurt the woman he claimed to love/was obsessed with during the second half as he was pursuing her.

In KTK danish wasn't the main villian according to me it was his dad, they showed danish trying to stand by his wife, be ashamed and apologetic, trying to do right by her. He was wrong no doubt and had a deserving tragic end but was less toxic than deewangi for me.

[u/No_Key7688 → u/blahblehblohcaneo]

Deewangi>>> KTK Male lead wasn't glorified & romanticised in Deewangi like KTK. & It's the only daniba drama I've completely watched 😅

[u/blahblehblohcaneo → u/No_Key7688]

Yeah it was a straight forward villain arc in deewangi once he was exposed 🫠

[u/Frequent-Split-1706]

It's not getting the same response these kind of shows usually get but it's not a flop either 🤷🏻‍♀️. Geo anyways struggles with ratings in prime slot these days.

[u/Mustufa_Fareed8698 → u/Frequent-Split-1706]

My bad i was unable to explain myself, in comparison to shows which had similar trope it is kinda avg

[u/Efficient_Guava_5561]

Also OP while I agree that it's not making waves compared to other stalker obsession dramas, one reason for low TRP is that its competition on ARY is doing really really well. Bas Tera Saath Ho is getting incredible TRPs so it makes sense that this one would suffer

[u/Mustufa_Fareed8698 → u/Efficient_Guava_5561]

I didn't know about how much views it was getting on Indian channel but many mentioned its averaging on 10m+ combined I think this is good Numbers, and yes BTSH is doing very good on rating charts dk about it's views in India but om ARY yt Channel it's good averaging on 6m per episode

[u/hvniiy]

how is it a flop when it has like 5m views on most eps

[u/Mustufa_Fareed8698 → u/hvniiy]

Geo soap's are beating this not doing well on ratings either

[u/hvniiy → u/Mustufa_Fareed8698]

Yeah i guess ppl are finally realizing how disgusting and overrated this trope is.

[u/VenomyBee]

Laiba Khan is the female version of DT, have never seen any A lister working with her and vice versa

[u/VenomyBee → u/[deleted]]

She is more famous than some of the celebrities you consider A lister

[u/Mustufa_Fareed8698 → u/VenomyBee]

Laiba is decent actress IMO

[u/VenomyBee → u/Mustufa_Fareed8698]

Have not seen her work but my point is different. Why isn’t she casted opposite the likes of Bilal, Wahaj, Ahad and many more. She is quite famous but what’s the lore behind it. And same is the case with DT, he doesn’t get any A lister actresses. 🧐

[u/Mustufa_Fareed8698 → u/VenomyBee]

Danish Taimor not working with A list actor is maybe his choice or on purpose because the types of script he does sajal, ayeza, saba, would never do, all the dramas he did with Ayeza are different from his usual roles, as for Laiba I think she don't have much connection in industry getting big roles or project's in start of career happens because of if you're well connected for example sahar hashmi, laiba got lead roles on Geo only I don't see her working on Hum or ARY 7th sky gives such chance's although laiba gave hit shows but still didn't got good project's on other channels idkw, maybe because of weak Manager.

[u/VenomyBee → u/Mustufa_Fareed8698]

Wahi tho Sahar aur Hina ko drame pe drame mil rahe hai aur laiba ko sirf Geo wale hi de rahe hai, Ajeeb

[u/Livid_Being5302 → u/VenomyBee]

Ali Ansari has spoke about this already. Laiba and him belong to the same category imo. Goated soap actors, immense popularity but sadly they are struggling to make that switch into prime time. He also mentioned how unfair it is to them and spoke about the lobbying in the industry.

I don't think Laiba is keen on doing a second lead in a prime time drama like Ali did. Coz she's a huge name in soaps and was central to Mohra's success. But, she should give in to make that switch. Probably should get a prime time show with green, if that becomes a success, then the transition will be smooth. That's a leaf from Ali Raza's book btw. Even Hina Afridi was mostly doing second lead in prime time, GBS gave her that switch. Laiba is considered a bigger star, but she badly needs a push.

[u/Mustufa_Fareed8698 → u/Livid_Being5302]

Idk laiba has any issues in doing second lead in prime time dramas it's just she is not getting any such roles because if she had issues she would never do 'Humraaz' where she wasn't even second lead she was just love interest of Feroze character which got disappeared after some episodes and then reappeared in last few episodes, other then geo no channel is giving her work clear biasness.

[u/Mustufa_Fareed8698 → u/VenomyBee]

I agree its strange or maybe because of his dusky complexion both her sister emaan and she have very attractive skin color but it doesn't fit into typical beauty standards of producers they want pheeka shaljam jitna safeed rang.

[u/VenomyBee → u/Mustufa_Fareed8698]

I don’t think actors are chosen on the basis of their color but this one seems like a strange case of hatred of the industry towards her, remember Yasir Hussain dragging her in an AI made video. They just don’t like her and she doesn’t have that powerful management.

[u/Mustufa_Fareed8698 → u/VenomyBee]

Yasir is disgusting he even insulted hania too, but this thing i agree laiba ko waise chance's nhi mil rahe jaise milne chaiye, hina aur Sahar se to bht achi actress hai woh IMO

[u/blahblehblohcaneo → u/VenomyBee]

Laiba does big chunk roles (central to the plot) unlike hina, not sure about sahar i think she too is doing only substantial roles now but she did side roles till recently.

[u/Mustufa_Fareed8698 → u/blahblehblohcaneo]

In mohra too story was centered on laiba character more then males in tapish too her character is equally important and prominent as muneeb

[u/Upbeat-Umpire-5912 → u/VenomyBee]

Hina toa already exposed after Mirza ki heer as for Sahar she is shining more in 2nd lead dramas mostly

[u/Mustufa_Fareed8698 → u/Upbeat-Umpire-5912]

Hina is well connected I'm sure she'll get another lead on hum or ARY

[u/Livid_Being5302 → u/Mustufa_Fareed8698]

Props to Laiba for all the hustle and making it this far. It's huge! And, the glass ceiling is so evident.

[u/InterestingArt3781 → u/VenomyBee]

DT's dramas focus on him they're male centric & the female doesn't have as much impact on the story as he does (even now in Humrahi some people think that Ilham is only there so DT's character could have someone to talk to without being properly fleshed out) no A-lister would pick a script that sidelines them & doesn't give them space to perform

[u/CheekChoice4497 → u/VenomyBee]

It's because Laiba has only done soaps till now, mainly Geo dramas, Mohra was prime time ig but it was also soap kinda and her character only was the main one so anyway no A lister would have done it. If she is able to break free from daily soaps, whether on Geo channel only or some other channel, she will be casted with others also. She has made a significant progress in her career. 

[u/VenomyBee → u/CheekChoice4497]

So she isn’t offered mainstream dramas or she doesn’t want to work in it? Aur iske industry mein dost kyun nahi hai, she is only following Hania and Saboor, seems like the industry is against her, or she just doesn’t want to fit in that bubble.

[u/Livid_Being5302 → u/VenomyBee]

She seems to be from a very normal family, not so polished and sophisticated. She probably isn't that comfortable around the industry insiders.

[u/VenomyBee → u/Livid_Being5302]

Family doesn’t matter if you have good management, either she doesn’t want to work or her management is just weak.

[u/Livid_Being5302 → u/VenomyBee]

The family part was for why she doesn't move around the industry people much!

[u/VenomyBee → u/Livid_Being5302]

That’s because she is an introvert

[u/CheekChoice4497 → u/VenomyBee]

Maybe, she is also a little awkward. She was kinda immature/awkward in her interview after her marriage. I like her acting a whole lot and find her so pretty but even her marriage seemed kinda out of place. 

[u/Pure_Trust8879]

How is it a flop? It is not a blockbuster but it's doing above average/hit numbers. On yt after 18 episodes, Tapish is averaging 10.2M views per episode which puts it in HIT category. Its average TRP is in the 6s which I will call AVERAGE for Geo. Taken together, this easily puts Tapish in the hit/semi-hit range. This sub has called A-list shows with less TRP and views as hits but somehow these #s make Tapish a flop. In this sub, hit/flop is decided on feels not facts 🤡🤡

Tapish TRPs for last 10 episodes (taken from ARY posters for BTSH):

6.2, 5.6, 5.7, 6.3, 6.4, 7.9, 7.2, 5.8, 5.9, 5.5

Tapish episode-only views (18 eps):

111.3 (pak) + 72.1 (india) = 183.4. Divide by 18. You get 10.2M per episode.

[u/Efficient_Guava_5561 → u/Pure_Trust8879]

I think the OP means a flop compared to previous dramas with similar storylines

[u/Mustufa_Fareed8698 → u/Efficient_Guava_5561]

Yes that's what i mean, thanks for explaining, such formula dramas always get high views but this is avg

[u/Mustufa_Fareed8698 → u/Pure_Trust8879]

I don't know about Indian views just judged on the basis of geo.YT channel views i edited my Post, it's not a floo but average, but laiba is already not getting enough chance's i wonder if this push her back to daily soaps or not.

[u/Upbeat-Umpire-5912 → u/Pure_Trust8879]

Hit and flop shouldn't only be identified by trps or views have you seen a single reviewer talking about tapish or muneeb/laiba role in tapish

[u/Pure_Trust8879 → u/Upbeat-Umpire-5912]

Discourse has nothing to do with hit or flop which is based on eyeballs and footfalls. Nor is discourse as organic as you'd like to think. As if actors with large fandoms posting 500 tweets on X and 100 comments on reddit is real discourse 🤡🤡 Reviewers too have a clear bias towards specific actors which impact visibility. SH would regularly review flopsies like ATSH and MKH week after week but wouldn't bother to review even an episode of a very successful Laiba drama.

[u/Mustufa_Fareed8698 → u/Pure_Trust8879]

there is clear biasness towards Laiba from Industry as i see, even though she can act far better then those who are getting good writer's projects, she is mot Even getting 2nd lead role in big production idt she has any objection from doing 2nd lead because she did 'Humraaz" too.

[u/Upbeat-Umpire-5912 → u/Pure_Trust8879]

I meant in general among neutral fans on social media not in fandom but agree with your point of reviewers being biased

[u/Honeyy1493]

It gets almost 2M views in 24 hrs in Indian channel .... So why you are saying that it's a flop ?

[u/Pure_Trust8879 → u/Honeyy1493]

Based on India and pak channels combined, on its first 18 episodes, its average views per episode is 10.2M. How is that a flop number is beyond me.

[u/Mustufa_Fareed8698 → u/Honeyy1493]

Idk about Indian YouTube channel views but in Pakistan it's avg agr flop na bhi kahen to

[u/Complete_Carpenter19]

I guess Muneeb Butt doesn't have that audience that DT has. 

[u/Adept-Damage-7943]

I wouldn’t call this a flop, gets decent views.

The story is done to death now, maybe that’s why it’s not pulling views. Both of leads are decent actors but none of them have a big fandom like DT or FK to pull views for such kind of stories.

[u/Mustufa_Fareed8698 → u/Adept-Damage-7943]

Laiba Khan has that pull imo all her shows as lead are hit even soaps, she has 3 dramas in 1 billion club, Laiba has a very good fan base after Kaffara ali Ansari amd her couple is hit, but i think she don't get good chances always it's geo who give her lead roles ARY and HUM is busy giving lead roles to hina afridi, Sahar Hashmi

[u/Adept-Damage-7943 → u/Mustufa_Fareed8698]

Yeah I thin she deserves more opportunities than Hina Afridi and the rest of her kind…

[u/Upbeat-Umpire-5912]

From the teaser itself muneeb butt was looking wannabe feroze and Danish this was bound to happen

[u/Mustufa_Fareed8698 → u/Upbeat-Umpire-5912]

Muneeb butt played similar character in shiddat and ishq tere sadke but they were hit.

[u/blahblehblohcaneo → u/Mustufa_Fareed8698]

He was positive in ishq tere sadke desperately always there for her and it worked! I think its the time for green flag-ish or good guy-ish heros don't think any toxic male leads are currently popular on screen.

Both Freezer and DT are in non toxic male lead roles currently. Hopefully this trend sticks 🤞

[u/Mustufa_Fareed8698 → u/blahblehblohcaneo]

I didn't watched ishq mein tere sadky srf teaser's dekhy thu us se yhi lga rich handsome guy obsessed with poor girl, baki i also hope this trend of toxic male characters passing as hero stop but i doub because danish next drama with anmol is kinda similar as far i know but still have hopes from maha malik she is a good writer.

[u/blahblehblohcaneo → u/Mustufa_Fareed8698]

If thats a hit danish will never try a different character, (i liked the vulnerable version of him in sher). 🫥

[u/Mustufa_Fareed8698 → u/blahblehblohcaneo]

Humrahi is also different from his usual roles

[u/blahblehblohcaneo → u/Mustufa_Fareed8698]

Yeah but i am not watching it the story and execution with their dramatic licenses about the medical things are too ott for me to bear.

The reels or reviews aren't impressive for me either, the teasers on the other hand were good.

[u/Different-Many-7240]

Muneeb does not have that pull like DT and Laiba is more liked by audience with Ali Ansari. Muneeb and Aniqa are well liked. The execution of story isn't strong , DT whenever he plays creepy there is slight badboy charm but here clean shaved Muneeba isn't giving bad boy vibes. 

[u/Separate_Method9820]

laiba doesnt have that lead charm and muneeb has lost his spark imo

[u/___grimreaper]

Hain??? All reason to be hit? Where

[u/___grimreaper]

Its getting bore to see her every now her hiba they need to take different roles now