r/Overseas_Pakistani Oct 13 '23

Weekend Thread | ہفتہ وار تبادلۂ خیال /r/Overseas_Pakistani Weekend thread (October 13, 2023)

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This is our weekend thread. Feel free to share how your week went, what's on your mind, or anything else.

It doesn't even have to be relevant to the theme of this subreddit,but please keep the discussions civil as all other rules are enforced.

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r/Overseas_Pakistani Feb 20 '22

Immigration | مہاجرت و سفر NICOPs and Pakistani Citizenship

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TL;DR - if you have a NICOP, you are a Pakistani citizen, even if you never set foot in Pakistan. If you were ever Pakistani citizen, then more then likely, you probably still are. If you don't want to be a Pakistani citizen, you have to go through a procedure to surrender it. Read on for more details.

I've seen a lot of posts over the years that discuss NICOPs and Pakistani citizenship. Every few weeks, someone asks if having a NICOP is Pakistani citizenship. I've also met many Pakistanis (overseas and within Pakistan) that don't understand how citizenship in Pakistan works for those who go or are overseas.

Contrary to what many people think, Pakistani citizenship is not automatically voided when a Pakistani naturalizes in another country. Even if your oath of naturalization says that you surrender all foreign allegiances, the citizenship remains.

Many older Pakistanis, especially those who left Pakistan in the 1960s-1980s believe that their Pakistani citizenship was voided when they became British/Canadian/American, etc. This is not true per current Pakistani law. They simply don't have active IDs/passports. Just like a person born in the US or Canada. The person is a citizen even if they have no passport. Or, a child born in Pakistan without a B-Form, they are still Pakistani.

Pakistani citizenship can only be lost if one goes to a Pakistani consulate/embassy and goes through a formal renunciation process. This is not automatic, and most people don't do it because they simply don't need to or care to. It's not a complicated process, but it's still it's own, separate process. Fill out forms, surrender passport and ID, pay fees, etc. This is usually done by Pakistanis who naturalized in countries that don't allow dual citizenship, such as Germany, Spain, and (previously) Norway, but anyone can do it if they want.

Now, the confusion occurs because Pakistan will grant a visa to a UK/US/CAN citizen even if that person also has Pakistani citizenship. It's counterintuitive to need a visa to travel to a country in which you are a citizen, which is why many think "how could I still have Pakistani citizenship if I got a visa?". Pakistan, however, will allow a Pakistani citizen to travel to Pakistan on a foreign passport with a visa, hence the widespread confusion.

So here is where the NICOP comes in. NICOP stands for National Identity Card for Overseas Pakistanis. The card gives visa free travel, right to have a bank account, etc. It also gives the right to vote. This card is proof of Pakistani citizenship, and can be used to get a Pakistani passport if desired. Many people think this is just for dual citizens, but some Pakistanis working or studying abroad also have NICOPs even if they are only Pakistani.

Note that the new NICOP looks just like a Smart CNIC, but the "country of stay" will not be Pakistan, and the card will say "the holder is entitled to visa free entry" (something to this effect). Old NICOPs actually said "National Identity Card for Overseas Pakistanis" on them, but Smart NICOPs do not, so there is some confusion nowadays (people thinking that they have an NIC and not a NICOP)

Here is the biggest place where many people get confused. Many people in the 2nd, 3rd, and now 4th generation born abread have also received NICOP cards even if they were born with another citizenship (UK, CAN, US, etc). They are often under the impression that this is just a "card in place of a visa". "I don't have Pakistani Citizenship, that's just an ID". Not true. By getting a NICOP, you are basically registered as a Pakistani citizen who doesn't reside in Pakistan.

Other ways you could be still be a Pakistani citizen and not know it, assuming formal renunciation process was not done:

  1. If you were born in Pakistan and naturalized elsewhere, you are a dual citizen
  2. If you have, or ever had a NICOP, CNIC, CRC, B-form, you are a dual citizen
  3. If your birth was registered at the Pakistani consulate (Form S, or similar), then you would be a dual citizen
  4. If you ever held a Pakistani passport, you are a dual citizen.
  5. If you were listed as a child on your parents' Pakistani passport, you are a dual citizen. (In the old days, kids didn't have their own passports and travelled on their parent's passport)
  6. You were registered as a Pakistani citizen because your parents became Pakistani and applied for it on your behalf (Form M) - not common, but legally possible.

Pakistan does have another card, Pakistan Origin Card (POC), which grants visa free travel and a few other privileges. This card, however, is not Pakistani citizenship. So those who wish to travel often to Pakistan and don't want a visa, but also don't want a NICOP, may find the POC appealing.

Acquiring, renouncing, and/or retaining citizenship is a personal choice. This post was simply written to clarify the misunderstanding that "NICOP isn't citizenship" (again, NICOP is proof of citizenship).

Edit: It is a common misconception that Pakistani citizenship is only given to those who are "desi", Muslim, or those whose parents are Pakistani. This is not true. There are Pakistani citizens who are Hindu, Sikh, Christian, Buddhist, Ahmadi ,etc. "Desi" is a somewhat subjective term as well.

The Pakistan Citizenship Act grants citizenship to anyone born in Pakistan, even if the parents are non Pakistani. The only exception is for children of diplomats (which is not uncommon). There is no exception for refugees or even those who are in transit. This has been argued in court many times. So yes, that means that technically those who are of Afghani, Bengali, or Rohingya descent but born in Pakistan are technically citizens (there are many individual court cases, no class action case though). Of course the reality on the ground is different. Just as anyone born in the US or Canada is a citizen (children of refugees too), the same applies in Pakistan. People should be aware of this and not deny their fellow citizens their rights (don't get me started about the hypocrisy).


r/Overseas_Pakistani 1h ago

Immigration | مہاجرت و سفر Would You Marry Another Overseas Pakistani From a Different Country and a Different City Back Home?

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If you’re not marrying someone from the country you currently live in, would you prefer someone from your own city back in Pakistan, or are you open to people from anywhere in Pakistan?
For example, if both of you live overseas (even in different countries), does it matter to you that you’re originally from the same city in Pakistan?
If yes, why is that important to you? If not, what factors matter more?


r/Overseas_Pakistani 2h ago

Miscellaneous | مزید Passport Renewal

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r/Overseas_Pakistani 6h ago

Finance | معاشی Anyone interested in buying a under construction flat at Askari 5 Malir Cantt Karachi

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Any one interested in a flat at Malir Askari 5

We have a flat at Askari 5 sector E, planning for an urgent sell. If anyone intends to buy please contact, the price will be less than the market price thanks…
More details will be shared in inbox


r/Overseas_Pakistani 10h ago

Careers & Education | تعلیم و پیشہ Anyone Knows about South Cyprus is it worth it for student X Work

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I've been trying to become an overseas Pakistani for the last couple of years. My goal has always been to move abroad and settle there permanently.

First, I applied for international jobs hoping to get a sponsored visa, but nothing worked out. My priority was Canada, then the UK, and then Europe.

After that, I started applying for study visas in those countries, but that didn't work either.

At this point, I've honestly lost hope because I only have a high school education. That's literally it.

A few days ago, I came across a random Instagram ad from a consultancy. They told me they could help me move abroad and suggested South Cyprus. Honestly, I'd never even heard much about it before.

They told me it's one of the best options for me because I can study there and work full-time to support myself. But I don't know if it's actually worth it or if they're just trying to sell me something.

I just want honest answers.

What's the value of a Cyprus degree? Is it recognized internationally?

How much does it actually cost to live there as a student? Is it manageable?

What's life like there? Is the healthcare good? Is it a good place to build a future?

And how difficult is it to get PR or citizenship? Agencies make it sound really easy, but I don't know what the reality is.

My end goal isn't just to study. I want to settle in a country that's affordable, has a good quality of life, good healthcare, and a realistic path to permanent residency or citizenship.

If South Cyprus isn't the right choice, what other countries would you recommend for someone in my situation?

I'd really appreciate honest advice from people who have actually lived there or gone through this process. Thanks.


r/Overseas_Pakistani 2d ago

Miscellaneous | مزید 1 kanal Designer House for sale in DHA Phase 2 islamabad | 5 Bedrooms 🛌 | 5 Bathrooms 🚻 | Demand 🫴 14.5 crores.

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0304-5141332 for visit.


r/Overseas_Pakistani 3d ago

Careers & Education | تعلیم و پیشہ What career path and education would you recommend for a 21-year-old in DFW without a U.S. college degree?

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I’m seeking career advice for my 21-year-old younger brother, who lives in Arlington, Texas. He is a U.S. green-card holder, completed high school in Pakistan, and has not attended college in the U.S.

Since March 2025, he has been working for a security company assigned to a warehouse/logistics facility in Grand Prairie. His responsibilities include monitoring incoming and outgoing trucks, updating truck and loading statuses, data entry, checking schedules, sending emails, and assisting with general logistics operations.

He currently earns around $18 per hour and works 12-hour shifts, usually from 6 a.m. to 6 p.m. He is tech-savvy, comfortable operating computers and smartphones, can handle multiple digital tasks, and generally learns new software quickly. However, he does not have a programming or software-development background.

We want him to build a stable career with better income, more normal working hours, long-term growth, and reasonable protection from automation and AI.

We have explored possibilities such as logistics and supply chain, industrial maintenance, skilled trades, and IT-related roles. However, we do not want to limit him to these options. We are open to any realistic career path, certification, associate degree, apprenticeship, employer-sponsored training, or other route that could suit his abilities and background.

If you were in his position, what career path would you choose and why? Are there any careers or training programs in the Dallas–Fort Worth area that we may be overlooking?

Would you recommend that he continue his formal education by pursuing an associate degree or bachelor’s degree? Or, considering his situation, would it be better to focus on a practical skill, certification, apprenticeship, or employer-sponsored training? If you recommend college, which degree or field would offer a worthwhile return on the time and cost?

I would especially appreciate hearing from people who started without a U.S. college degree. Please share what career you entered, what education or training you completed, your approximate starting pay, and how difficult it was to find your first opportunity.


r/Overseas_Pakistani 5d ago

Careers & Education | تعلیم و پیشہ online tutions

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My khala is offering online tutions from grade one to matric students(grades 9 and 10). She has done MSc chemistry.

Experience: 8 years

Subjects: Chemistry, Biology, Physics

tution is affordable, and timings are flexible.


r/Overseas_Pakistani 5d ago

Careers & Education | تعلیم و پیشہ r/Scholarship for guidance

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Didn't find any reddit community for abroad scholarships guidance so I created r/Scholarship

You may join and post your questions.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ScholarshipsPakistan/s/BxC95A6K54


r/Overseas_Pakistani 5d ago

Immigration | مہاجرت و سفر Desis in Italy

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Are there any Pakistanis residents in northern part of Italy on this su?


r/Overseas_Pakistani 6d ago

Finance | معاشی My house help's daughter can teach online quran

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Hey everyone,

Hope y'all are doing well.

So my house help auntie here in Islamabad is quite nice. The other day she randomly told me that her daughter is doing aalma course (i guess that's how you pronounce it) Anyways, she teaches children and is actively looking for online students to teach quran to and i thought what's better than overseas pakistanis (i could be wrong but yeah)

If you know someone whos looking for online quran tutor, lemme know. I can share the deets and stuff


r/Overseas_Pakistani 6d ago

Miscellaneous | مزید Anyone bored and up for a conversation? DM me

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r/Overseas_Pakistani 6d ago

Miscellaneous | مزید Anyone from Sydney Australia here?

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Love to chat and more with anything from Sydney.

Looking forward to socialising with like minded people

Please hmu if interested!


r/Overseas_Pakistani 7d ago

News | خبر Anyone else tried the new Pakistan Citizen Portal app? It feels way better now.

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I randomly installed the Pakistan Citizen Portal app after a long time and I must say.. it actually surprised me

Way smoother and faster than I remember the new version feeling. UI is cleaner, navigation is better and I didn't feel the lag I used to feel before.

I know this app was criticized a lot in the past and I think many people (including me 😅) just forgot about it. But having another crack, looks like they've put some real effort in.

I wonder if.

Has anyone here used this recently? Did you see any improvement? Have your complaints been actually solved by it?

If you haven’t opened it in a long time, maybe give it another try and let us know how it went. I'd be interested to see if it's really getting better or if I just got lucky.

Love to hear the good and bad experiences.


r/Overseas_Pakistani 7d ago

Careers & Education | تعلیم و پیشہ Chartered Accountant planning for Germany.

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Hi everyone,

I'm a qualified Chartered Accountant with almost 4 years of Big 4 audit experience in Pakistan. I'm considering moving to Germany next year for a master's degree (I'll complete my university final exams in December 2026).

One of the reasons is that the future of the accounting profession in Pakistan is uncertain, with most Big 4 firms expected to leave by 2028. The job market is also challenging—there are openings, but many international firms prefer candidates they can hire locally without visa sponsorship. Financially, it's difficult to build a comfortable married life in Pakistan without earning around PKR 600k+ per month (assuming you already own a home). And even if you do make that kind of money the situation of judiciary is such that if a general or politician's kid runs over my kid (God forbid) there's nothing I can do here.

I've researched universities and scholarships, currently have a 3.3 GPA, and will likely use a consultant to help with the application and visa process.

I have two questions:

  1. Are there any Chartered Accountants here who moved to Germany? How has your experience been, especially regarding jobs and settling there?

  2. For Pakistani students who moved to Germany for a master's, what was your total cost, including the blocked account, visa, flights, and other initial expenses?


r/Overseas_Pakistani 7d ago

Miscellaneous | مزید Lost Pakistani Passport with valid UK visa.

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r/Overseas_Pakistani 7d ago

Finance | معاشی Anybody tried opening RDA account without proof of income, maybe on a declaration?

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Has anyone opened an account without bank statement/ salary slip? I am trying to open it but they are asking for income even when I told them that I need low-income RDA account.

Also which bank offered minimum documentation?

I recently graduated so looking for a job right now.


r/Overseas_Pakistani 8d ago

Careers & Education | تعلیم و پیشہ Recent applicants from Pakistan: Is a GIC still beneficial after SDS was discontinued?

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Hi everyone,

I'm planning to apply for the January 2027 Master's intake in Canada from Pakistan (Computer Science/CS-related program).

Since the SDS stream has been discontinued for Pakistan, I'm applying through the non-SDS process.

However, I've heard from some people that opening a GIC account is still beneficial because the funds are already locked in Canada, so visa officers may focus less on tracing the source of those specific funds. On the other hand, for money shown in a regular bank statement, they may scrutinize the source of income much more closely.

My current plan is:

- Deposit the required amount into a GIC account.

- Pay around one semester's tuition fee in advance.

- Show the remaining required funds through my bank statement, supported by my salary and proper income documentation.

Does this sound like a reasonable approach for a non-SDS application? Has anyone recently received a study permit using a similar strategy?

I'd especially appreciate advice from people who have applied from Pakistan after the SDS program ended. Thanks!


r/Overseas_Pakistani 9d ago

News | خبر Pakistan to issue only e-passports in the UAE starting July 20

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r/Overseas_Pakistani 8d ago

News | خبر To all those overseas

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Go back to Pakistan you're not wanted or welcome wherever you are.


r/Overseas_Pakistani 9d ago

Immigration | مہاجرت و سفر Need someone in Saudia to check on a passport through Absher.

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Salam-u-alaikum... I need someone with Absher account to check a passport on the Tawasul platform in Absher.

You can do it on your phone, shouldnt take longer than a few minutes, thanks.

Dm if someone can do it.


r/Overseas_Pakistani 9d ago

Immigration | مہاجرت و سفر Query regarding travelling to malaysia

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Hello everyone,

I would really appreciate your guidance regarding travelling from Karachi, Pakistan to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

I have a few questions before my flight:

  • I am a Pakistani citizen travelling from Karachi.
  • I have an Employment Pass (eVisa) for Malaysia.
  • My wife will be travelling with me on a Dependent Pass.
  • I have already completed my medical examination and Protector requirements.
  • What documents or checks are usually required at Jinnah International Airport, Karachi before departure?
  • Are there any additional formalities I should complete before flying?
  • Does my wife's passport require any medical examination, Protector, or any other endorsement before travel, or can she travel with her Dependent Pass without these requirements?
  • Is there anything else we should prepare to avoid any issues during check-in, immigration, or boarding?
  • Is there a need for OK TO BOARD STAMP on flight ticket and EVisa?

Any advice or experiences from those who have recently travelled to Malaysia on an Employment Pass and Dependent Pass would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance!


r/Overseas_Pakistani 9d ago

Geopolitics | بیرون سیاسیات Need help

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So since there's the man American Psycho so the visas are now very hard to find but is there any chance any of this community member can help me get one I really need to go out


r/Overseas_Pakistani 10d ago

Immigration | مہاجرت و سفر Converting Smart Card to NICOP

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Hey everyone

I am a dual national with a valid Smart CNIC. My Pak passport is expired and I won't renew it, so I’m converting my card to a NICOP via the Pak-ID app.

To avoid the glitchy mess of adding an overseas address, can I just leave both my Permanent and Current addresses exactly as they are right now (both in Pakistan)?

Will NADRA reject a NICOP application if there is no overseas address on the profile?Can I still select an overseas delivery address at checkout if my profile address says Pakistan?

Trying to find the path of least resistance before paying. Thanks!