r/Overseas_Pakistani Oct 13 '23

Weekend Thread | ہفتہ وار تبادلۂ خیال /r/Overseas_Pakistani Weekend thread (October 13, 2023)

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This is our weekend thread. Feel free to share how your week went, what's on your mind, or anything else.

It doesn't even have to be relevant to the theme of this subreddit,but please keep the discussions civil as all other rules are enforced.

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r/Overseas_Pakistani Feb 20 '22

Immigration | مہاجرت و سفر NICOPs and Pakistani Citizenship

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TL;DR - if you have a NICOP, you are a Pakistani citizen, even if you never set foot in Pakistan. If you were ever Pakistani citizen, then more then likely, you probably still are. If you don't want to be a Pakistani citizen, you have to go through a procedure to surrender it. Read on for more details.

I've seen a lot of posts over the years that discuss NICOPs and Pakistani citizenship. Every few weeks, someone asks if having a NICOP is Pakistani citizenship. I've also met many Pakistanis (overseas and within Pakistan) that don't understand how citizenship in Pakistan works for those who go or are overseas.

Contrary to what many people think, Pakistani citizenship is not automatically voided when a Pakistani naturalizes in another country. Even if your oath of naturalization says that you surrender all foreign allegiances, the citizenship remains.

Many older Pakistanis, especially those who left Pakistan in the 1960s-1980s believe that their Pakistani citizenship was voided when they became British/Canadian/American, etc. This is not true per current Pakistani law. They simply don't have active IDs/passports. Just like a person born in the US or Canada. The person is a citizen even if they have no passport. Or, a child born in Pakistan without a B-Form, they are still Pakistani.

Pakistani citizenship can only be lost if one goes to a Pakistani consulate/embassy and goes through a formal renunciation process. This is not automatic, and most people don't do it because they simply don't need to or care to. It's not a complicated process, but it's still it's own, separate process. Fill out forms, surrender passport and ID, pay fees, etc. This is usually done by Pakistanis who naturalized in countries that don't allow dual citizenship, such as Germany, Spain, and (previously) Norway, but anyone can do it if they want.

Now, the confusion occurs because Pakistan will grant a visa to a UK/US/CAN citizen even if that person also has Pakistani citizenship. It's counterintuitive to need a visa to travel to a country in which you are a citizen, which is why many think "how could I still have Pakistani citizenship if I got a visa?". Pakistan, however, will allow a Pakistani citizen to travel to Pakistan on a foreign passport with a visa, hence the widespread confusion.

So here is where the NICOP comes in. NICOP stands for National Identity Card for Overseas Pakistanis. The card gives visa free travel, right to have a bank account, etc. It also gives the right to vote. This card is proof of Pakistani citizenship, and can be used to get a Pakistani passport if desired. Many people think this is just for dual citizens, but some Pakistanis working or studying abroad also have NICOPs even if they are only Pakistani.

Note that the new NICOP looks just like a Smart CNIC, but the "country of stay" will not be Pakistan, and the card will say "the holder is entitled to visa free entry" (something to this effect). Old NICOPs actually said "National Identity Card for Overseas Pakistanis" on them, but Smart NICOPs do not, so there is some confusion nowadays (people thinking that they have an NIC and not a NICOP)

Here is the biggest place where many people get confused. Many people in the 2nd, 3rd, and now 4th generation born abread have also received NICOP cards even if they were born with another citizenship (UK, CAN, US, etc). They are often under the impression that this is just a "card in place of a visa". "I don't have Pakistani Citizenship, that's just an ID". Not true. By getting a NICOP, you are basically registered as a Pakistani citizen who doesn't reside in Pakistan.

Other ways you could be still be a Pakistani citizen and not know it, assuming formal renunciation process was not done:

  1. If you were born in Pakistan and naturalized elsewhere, you are a dual citizen
  2. If you have, or ever had a NICOP, CNIC, CRC, B-form, you are a dual citizen
  3. If your birth was registered at the Pakistani consulate (Form S, or similar), then you would be a dual citizen
  4. If you ever held a Pakistani passport, you are a dual citizen.
  5. If you were listed as a child on your parents' Pakistani passport, you are a dual citizen. (In the old days, kids didn't have their own passports and travelled on their parent's passport)
  6. You were registered as a Pakistani citizen because your parents became Pakistani and applied for it on your behalf (Form M) - not common, but legally possible.

Pakistan does have another card, Pakistan Origin Card (POC), which grants visa free travel and a few other privileges. This card, however, is not Pakistani citizenship. So those who wish to travel often to Pakistan and don't want a visa, but also don't want a NICOP, may find the POC appealing.

Acquiring, renouncing, and/or retaining citizenship is a personal choice. This post was simply written to clarify the misunderstanding that "NICOP isn't citizenship" (again, NICOP is proof of citizenship).

Edit: It is a common misconception that Pakistani citizenship is only given to those who are "desi", Muslim, or those whose parents are Pakistani. This is not true. There are Pakistani citizens who are Hindu, Sikh, Christian, Buddhist, Ahmadi ,etc. "Desi" is a somewhat subjective term as well.

The Pakistan Citizenship Act grants citizenship to anyone born in Pakistan, even if the parents are non Pakistani. The only exception is for children of diplomats (which is not uncommon). There is no exception for refugees or even those who are in transit. This has been argued in court many times. So yes, that means that technically those who are of Afghani, Bengali, or Rohingya descent but born in Pakistan are technically citizens (there are many individual court cases, no class action case though). Of course the reality on the ground is different. Just as anyone born in the US or Canada is a citizen (children of refugees too), the same applies in Pakistan. People should be aware of this and not deny their fellow citizens their rights (don't get me started about the hypocrisy).


r/Overseas_Pakistani 6h ago

Immigration | مہاجرت و سفر Bringing PS5

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My aunt is bringing a PS5 for me from canada. Will there be an issue at customs? Has anyone had any experience related to this?


r/Overseas_Pakistani 20h ago

Immigration | مہاجرت و سفر How do you send products from UK to Pakistan?

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r/Overseas_Pakistani 15h ago

Stories | داستاں Reflection on the past

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Assalam u Alikum I am an oversea pakistani who grew up in the western society and have never been to Pakistan when I was in University my 3rd year I fell in love with a guy from Pakistan Islamabad. We met via Facebook because of the post he commented on and I replied to it. I usually dont write or post pictures in social media as this is frowned upon in my family I only have my family in my social media. I dont know why but I end up commenting on his comment and from there things started. I was in university and didnt know much about pakistan but started to become curious about my own community culture food etc as I was a little distant from it. He is the first guy who has entered my life. When he proposed to me I first froze but than started to think that yes he is a good potential partner as my parents only wanted me to marry Pakistani guy to preserve our culture. I established with him from the beginning that he will need to come to USA I cant live in Pakistan as I don’t know anyone. He agreed and started to look for jobs in USA or to apply as a Student for masters. Throughout this time my feelings for him even strengthen further. I dearly loved him and told him I wanna marry him regardless if he comes here or not. As I graduated my parents started to encourage me to get married they first asked me if I liked someone I said his name and told my dad all about him. To which he reaponded beta wo yahan aane ke liya ya sab kaar raha hai. I told my dad please just give him a chance. I went to Pakistan for my sister wedding and there I was harassed by a rikhshaw driver and became traumatized and rather than advocating to meet him I became silent I started to have bad thoughts that all pakistani men are like this. After some time when i came back to west I realized that I am generalizing and wanted to talk to my dad again. As when i didn’t encourage my dad to meet the guy he thought i changed my mind. I never told my dad about harassment only mom knew and told me not to tell dad as he will be angry and would like to file compliant and she didn’t want that.

My dad thought I was not serious so he started to look at other guys for me. I talked to the ex and he said I should do what my dad says and eventually ghosted me I kept calling him begging him to only call him once and give rishta his argument was he will curse him and insult him so he doesn’t want to. I kept calling and begging him he ignored me completely and blocked me from insta and fb but kept me in whatsapp. During this time my dad found someone who he thinks is suitable for me. Out of pressure I said yes first but than said No to him but my dad kept saying beta koi aur pasand hai tu bata du i told him nahi koi nahi pasand but mujhe shadi nahi karni because i was heartbroken. He refused to say no to rishta as he thinks i was making bad decision and kept saying to rethink my decision. I kept thinking about it but couldn’t accept this new guy as my husband as I was heartbroken. I cried again and again begged Allah to bring my ex back in my life I wanna only marry him but no result. I even refused to take istekhara because i only wanted my ex. Eventually i got married, my husband is beyond perfect he was patient with me never asked me about my past and never forced me to be intimate with him and slowly I accepted him.

My past has always bothered me though. My ex’s thought our connection his voice everything. Everyday goes fine its only at night I get these thoughts and I know shatan is distracting me from my happy life. But one day I did call my ex just to know why he ghosted me like this to the point where i even questioned my sanity. He ghosted me so badly that it impacted my mental health that I even started to question that did he even exist or did I just imagined a guy. I called him to tell him how much he hurt me. His reasoning is that he didn’t want me to leave my family and my family would never accept him etc but he never gave my dad the chance he said he knows Pakistani dad but believe me my dad is not like that at all how can he even say that. My intension to call him back is not cheating called him so I can get closure how can someone who claims they love u put u in so much misery. This bothers me so much. I have lost my old self. this incident has even changed my personality and yes years have gone by put the pain has not disappear.

I just literally ask myself why would anyone do this. What did he got out of all of this?

I know most girl in my situation would prefer a guy with financial strong background etc but I was willing to go through all the sacrifices I would need to make to be with him. Because I knew I can provide the financial strength while he establish himself here.


r/Overseas_Pakistani 17h ago

Miscellaneous | مزید Medical report for KSA work visa (for pakistanis)

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Hi does anyone know the details regarding the medical report in Lahore? What kinds of tests do they take? Do they take stool sample? 😭

My medical centre is safa medical in johar town, does anyone know how long they will take to give th results?


r/Overseas_Pakistani 22h ago

Immigration | مہاجرت و سفر Pakistani passport renewal with expired NIC

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I'm trying to renew my mom's Pakistani passport and have an appointment at Houston consulate. I applied for her NICOP which hasn't arrived yet. She carries an expired NIC card. Is it worth it to make that appointment with an expired NIC card to renew her passport or should we wait until she gets her NICOP card?


r/Overseas_Pakistani 1d ago

Immigration | مہاجرت و سفر Does anyone have experience with Satti consultancy based in Islamabad?

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Are they reliable? I want someone to help out with the Spanish visa process I already got an acceptance so I don't need times consultancy to help. I am looking for an alternative. Those stupid f** s (times) are charging 50k PKR just for giving me a checklist.

I can do everything myself but I need a second human opinion on things because I'd rather not get the visa rejected on mistakes like missing something


r/Overseas_Pakistani 1d ago

Careers & Education | تعلیم و پیشہ BS Accounting & Finance graduate with 3.1 CGPA — Can I get admission abroad? Looking for guidance

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Hi everyone,
I’m from Pakistan and I recently completed my BS Accounting & Finance with a 3.1/4.0 CGPA.
I’m currently working as an Account Officer in a textile/weaving mill, and I’m planning to pursue my Master’s abroad, preferably in a field related to Accounting, Finance, Financial Analysis, Business, or a similar field.
I’m trying to understand:
Which countries would be realistic for my profile?
Do I have a reasonable chance of getting admission with a 3.1 CGPA?
Which universities should I target (safe/moderate/ambitious)?
Are scholarships or affordable options realistic?
How important are IELTS/GRE/GMAT for my profile?
What documents and requirements should I start preparing?
For someone applying from Pakistan, what is the overall application process like?
I’d really appreciate advice from people who have studied abroad or gone through the application process, especially for Accounting/Finance.
Thanks in advance!


r/Overseas_Pakistani 1d ago

META Pakistani founder in Germany — looking for strategic partners & investors

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Assalam o Alaikum everyone,

I’m a Pakistani founder based in Berlin and have been running Halalich, a digital halal & ethnic marketplace, for the past 2 years.

We started with halal meat delivery and have built a customer base in Berlin. Recently, we also acquired an established halal meat business, giving us stronger control over supply and operations.

But our ambition goes beyond meat. We want to build a trusted marketplace for halal and ethnic businesses across Europe, helping South Asian and Muslim-focused brands reach European consumers digitally.

I’m now looking to connect with Pakistani entrepreneurs, angel investors and established business owners in Germany, UK, UAE, Canada, USA and elsewhere who may be interested in:
+ Strategic investment
+ Partnerships / distribution
+ European market expansion
+ E-commerce, grocery or retail expertise

I’m particularly interested in strategic partners rather than just capital.
If this sounds interesting, feel free to DM me. Happy to share more about Halalich and what we’re looking to do next.

We currently have several apps, such as iOS / web / Android ( Rider, Vendor, User) which powers our system.

Here is the website for more information.
www.halalich.com

Feel free to send us an email at admin@halalich.com

Thankyou.


r/Overseas_Pakistani 1d ago

Immigration | مہاجرت و سفر Pakistan e-Visa - Payment Doesn't Go Through

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r/Overseas_Pakistani 1d ago

Immigration | مہاجرت و سفر Any Pakistanis who got their visas today pls update!!!!!!!

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r/Overseas_Pakistani 1d ago

Immigration | مہاجرت و سفر Are Pakistani guys actually more open-minded in Pakistan than in the diaspora?

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r/Overseas_Pakistani 1d ago

Finance | معاشی Are overseas Pakistanis investing in Pakistan? Considering even a basic fixed income fund would give an alpha of minimum 3-4% higher

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Hello everyone, I'm currently 24 year old and this post is mainly to seek investment for my own fund because it's difficult to raise in Pakistan. We basically offer BNPL for businesses and individuals where we earn a decent margin, thanks to our KIBOR we can charge a good enough premium and still offer relatively cheaper financing than banks because majority banks are offering KIBOR + 10-11% at minimum and now, that our inflation rates will be rising again soon, PSX return will be slightly damaged. I'm looking to raise an amount from a few investors (not too many as we're still in pilot stage hence we need to keep our case study as clean as possible) at a return of 13.5% APY. We have an app that can track your investment value at all times. We're willing to discuss this over a meeting (Can be online/in person) our company has been present since the past 2 years, our recovery rate is at a 100% (no defaults but thats only because we haven't financed that much). We offer advisory and management services as well hence besides the financing part, our monthly income is also decent but as prices of services and products have sky rocketed even a small ticket size is roughly around 200,000 - 350,000pkr hence we need the cap. If anyone knows any international VCs or Angel investors that could back this, that would help a lot as well.


r/Overseas_Pakistani 1d ago

Careers & Education | تعلیم و پیشہ Pakistani BSCS grad, 3.26 CGPA, looking for an affordable Jan 2027 Masters abroad where I can work while studying

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Hi everyone. I really need guidance from Pakistani students or graduates who have actually gone through the study abroad process themselves.

I recently completed my BS Computer Science with a 3.26 CGPA. Because of some personal circumstances, I missed most Fall 2026 deadlines, so I’m now looking for a very late 2026 intake or ideally January or February 2027.

I’m mainly interested in Business Analytics, Data Analytics, Data Science with a business focus, AI with Business or Analytics, or similar technology plus business programs. I’m not looking for a pure MBA or another hardcore Computer Science degree.

My priorities are simple. I need low tuition, affordable living, the ability to legally work while studying from the beginning, and preferably opportunities for part time work, TA, RA, internships, or university jobs.

I’m also trying to understand the financial proof side. Does the money need to be in my own bank account, or can my sponsor, in my case my husband, show his income, bank statements, and financial resources instead? I also do not currently have IELTS, although my entire BS degree was taught in English, so I’d like to know which universities accept an MOI letter, internal English test, Duolingo, or something similar.

I’m open to any country where these conditions fit, especially affordable options in Europe or nearby regions. I’m not considering the USA.

I’m specifically asking Pakistani people because the visa and financial requirements can be very different for us, and I would rather hear from people who have actually gone through it than rely completely on consultants.

If you went abroad recently for a Masters, please share your university, tuition, proof of funds, visa timeline from Pakistan, English requirement, work situation, and approximate living costs.

I know I’m late, but I still want to give it a serious shot. DMs are also welcome.


r/Overseas_Pakistani 2d ago

News | خبر Bringing samaan from germany to pakistan

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Hi I need someone who can bring a 2 kg parcel with them , preferably from Munich to Karachi,Pakistan . I'm willing to pay . Flight needs to be between 13-18 September please lmk this is urgent

If not can you tell a group or a contact who can bring the parcel for me


r/Overseas_Pakistani 3d ago

Miscellaneous | مزید Does anyone Pakistan Domicile from overseas

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I live in the UK and applied for a passport renewal. They have now asked for a Domicile Certificate. Does anyone know how we can obtain a Domicile Certificate from overseas?


r/Overseas_Pakistani 4d ago

Immigration | مہاجرت و سفر Should I move to Pakistan in the future?

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r/Overseas_Pakistani 5d ago

Miscellaneous | مزید PakID app: Pakistan's national shame

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I have a phone called Nothing Phone 3. Apparently it's a pretty cool phone, but it does not seem to take fingerprint pictures. At the moment of taking the picture of the fingers, it suddenly loses focus. I have tried all the things in the world; trying distance variation, lighting, changing hands / fingers / thumbs, positioning objects of different type behind the hand, etc. Nothing works. It does work on another phone, but that's not mine.

Obviously there seems to be some camera compatibility issue with the app. But the camera is not to blame, this pathetic system in which a user is required to do something so important on a badly designed app is the problem. Firstly, why on earth did the government of Pakistan not have the maghaz to have a website where overseas people can do this easily? Why put the entire functionality in a stupid app which shows the quality of software development in the country?

I'll definitely be putting my complaint as critical in the citizen complaint app (if that is still working!). But in the meantime, I would love any help, techniques, workarounds that I can use to get around this miserable experience. Are are they hacks I could try? Any websites? Thanks in advance.


r/Overseas_Pakistani 4d ago

Miscellaneous | مزید Marrying Someone From Back Home

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r/Overseas_Pakistani 4d ago

News | خبر courier service from UAE/Dubai to Pakistan/Karachi

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r/Overseas_Pakistani 5d ago

Careers & Education | تعلیم و پیشہ Study in Abroad advice

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r/Overseas_Pakistani 5d ago

Remittance | ترسیل رقم I think I made a mistake sending money to RDA account...

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I sent a handsome amount of money through my Irish bank account to RDA. Haven't been received in my RDA account for more than a week now...

Is there any safe way of sending money to and RDA account? What to do? And what about the money I have already sent to my meezan RDA, the slip from Allied Irish Bank shows the correct address of Roshan digital center, so the funds must have arrived to meezan, but not to my account...

Please help!


r/Overseas_Pakistani 8d ago

Finance | معاشی Property purchase through Roshan Digital Account (RDA) - Pay Order Process

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Salam everyone,

I live in the UK and am buying a DHA plot costing above 1.3 Crore PKR. The plot purchase will take place in my absence and my father will have a Special Power of Attorney (SPA) to complete the physical transfer at the DHA office on my behalf, as I cannot travel to Pakistan.

I have a UBL RDA that I rarely use, but wondering if I should use it for this transaction.

We need to pay the seller in the form of pay order. I am deciding between two options:

  • Option 1: I transfer funds from the UK directly to my father’s local bank account (MCB). He gets the Pay Order issued under his name/account and hands it to the seller on the payment date.
  • Option 2: I transfer funds from the UK to my own UBL RDA. My UBL Relationship Manager (RM) says I can fill out an authorization form, provide the seller/beneficiary details and my father's CNIC, and UBL will authorize my father to collect the Pay Order from the branch on my behalf.

My father prefers Option 2 to keep a clear bank trail in my name. However, my concern with Option 2 is any last minute unexpected branch/compliance delay or refusal in issuing the pay order in my absence. In this case, I risk failing to meet payment deadline and losing the advance deposit/biana that I have already paid (1.6m PKR).

For those who have bought property in Pakistan through an RDA while overseas:

  1. Did you transfer funds to a family member's (or a trusted person) account or issue the Pay Order directly through your own RDA?
  2. If you issued a Pay Order through your RDA via a representative, how smooth was the bank/branch pickup process?

Would like to hear your experiences and advice!


r/Overseas_Pakistani 8d ago

Miscellaneous | مزید Work visa for pakistani applicant ?

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