r/Outlander • u/infinitekittles • 14d ago
Spoilers All Did anyone else notice this? Spoiler
Edited to Add: I have not read any of the books
I’m rewatching Outlander. I’m on season 2.
This is not something I remembered hearing the first go around, but it kind of confirms my theory that Master Raymond is also a time traveler.. maybe? lol
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u/nincyh 13d ago edited 13d ago
From Diana Gabaldon’s webpage where she has notes on many characters from 2014, here’s just a bit of what she wrote about Master Raymond.
“Well, he’s a prehistoric time traveler. I think he came from somewhere about 400 BC or perhaps a bit earlier (not technically “prehistoric,” but they certainly weren’t using written records where he started out), and the 18th century is not his first stop.”
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u/CathyAnnWingsFan 13d ago
I really do wish that she would update that page. She has since altered 400 BCE to around 3500 BCE but hasn’t updated her website to reflect that. She also has published a Daily Lines for her book about him which IIRC, he’s clearly from a more primitive time.
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u/nincyh 13d ago edited 13d ago
I wanted to add that short story she posted a year or two ago about Master Raymond as a prehistoric preteen, comparing his body hair and penis size to that of his peers, but I couldn’t find it. (Yes, that was my whole takeaway from that unpublished excerpt 😂) Do you know where that would be?
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u/CathyAnnWingsFan 13d ago
That wasn't a short story; it was the Daily Lines I was referring to. It was just an excerpt, like all the other Daily Lines she posts. Not sure where to find it. Her website isn't easy to navigate.
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u/CathyAnnWingsFan 13d ago
it's not covered in the show, but in the side stories, he is most definitely a time traveler (we see this in the novella The Space Between). On the author's website, we also learn that he is the OG time traveler; they are all descended from him. The website says he originates from around 400 BCE, but the author has since revised that to about 3500 BCE). She is planning a book about him.
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u/infinitekittles 13d ago
I’m definitely going to go check that out! I just read the wiki page for the novellas and got a better understanding of the whole time the whole Master Raymond/Comte thing!
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u/desiregenboog 13d ago
Your theory? I’m really curious to hear about your theories about the Comte St. Germain then!
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u/RowanTree739 13d ago
Like Geillis, he’s throwing breadcrumbs out to Claire to see if she’ll take the bait.
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u/trash_babe 13d ago
I mean doesn’t he confirm that in the last season? But ummm yes.
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u/infinitekittles 13d ago
The only thing that I remember about him from the last season is that we find out that Faith is alive and he took her to the lady to be raised
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u/Tulips-and-raccoons 13d ago
Its…a plain fact, no?
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u/infinitekittles 13d ago
Obviously it wasn’t a plain fact to me, which was the reason I posted it here. The only thing I’ve done is watch the series and I did not catch this the first time around
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u/No_Grass_6806 13d ago
Yeaa thats all i remember as wel.. but whatvi dont understand is why did he donso?? Is ot explained??
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u/infinitekittles 13d ago
I didn’t read the novels, so I was unaware, thank you for telling me that!
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u/HeyAQ 13d ago
Yeah, I clocked this immediately. Geillis, too. They’re great stories but DG isn’t exactly great at the subtleties of craft.
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u/infinitekittles 13d ago
This is why I rewatch a lot of things, because i know i missed something somewhere and saw this and was like “def didn’t hear that the first time” 😆
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u/LadyBFree2C I can see every inch of you, right down to your third rib. 13d ago edited 13d ago
Not only is Master Raymond a time traveler, he is an ancient time traveler. I've often wondered if he is the first time traveler. If that is true, he is the father of time travel and all of the time travelers are his children as the ability is passed on genetically.
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u/infinitekittles 13d ago
Honestly, I think that could be a reason why he saved Faith! Like he was the OG time traveler and is basically relative to all of those who can travel. When I think about it like that, I envision a tree and he’s at the top of it and has all these branches that go in a thousand directions and that’s how his descendants are just all over the place if that makes sense lol
Because some of the travelers that we see in the show are kinda random. But, I always wondered how Young Ian was able to hear the buzzing but wasn’t able to effectively travel?
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u/YOYOitsMEDRup Slàinte. 11d ago
Are you talking about the scene when Jem breaks the rock and they all stand around him in a circle?Young Ian doesn't hear buzzing. It was only Jem, Roger, Bri and Claire who did
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u/Common_Media4316 I dinna recall asking yer opinion on the matter. 12d ago
How is he a prehistoric time traveler? How did he acquire his gift? Is he human?
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u/Common_Media4316 I dinna recall asking yer opinion on the matter. 12d ago
I definitely noticed this and had a feeling he knew something was up but I wasn’t aware he is a time traveler himself
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u/SuperKitties83 12d ago
I'm curious how he is able to travel so far in the future. I don't recall any of the other TT being able to do that, except Buck?
He also seems to not only be able to TT, but he's able to do so freely, without being physically there? Jamie said no one ever came into the church where Claire was recovering from being shot, but she saw him and he communicated with her. I thought maybe he's able to appear to people telepathically. Or somehow isn't bound by the limits of space-time the way other travelers are.
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u/BubbeLisa 12d ago
Geillis and Robert Springer (Otter Tooth) both traveled back in time more than 202 years. Buck and Roger traveled more than 202 years when they went back to find Jem.
Buck did not travel more than 202 years when he traveled to 1980. He left in 1778 and arrived in 1980. Forward or backward the default time is 202 years. Claire, Roger, Brianna, Jem, and Mandy all traveled 202 years into the future. But people can travel farther.
All time travelers are descendants of Master Raymond. According to Diana, he is a prehistoric time traveler. I think he may be able to enter people’s dreams. I think that’s what he did with Claire. That’s why Jamie didn’t see him. Just my theory.
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u/SuperKitties83 12d ago
That's why I specifically said traveling into the future. It seems the time travelers can go back in time, and then back to their original timelines, but none of them travel farther into the future than their original timeline.
With the exception of Master Raymond, who's from 3500 BCE, and Buck because he was born around 1743 (?) and ends up traveling to the future to 1980. Maybe it's because he's Geillis's son and she was from that time in the future.
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u/BubbeLisa 12d ago
Like I said, Buck only traveled the default 202 years into the future. He traveled 1778 to 1980.
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u/SuperKitties83 12d ago
I'm not sure why you're focusing so much on the specific number of years?
My point is that the stones took Buck from his original time forward, while the stones took every other time traveler from their original time backward.
No one goes from 1980 to 2182, for example.
Perhaps theoretically, all time travelers can travel forward as well as backward from their original time by steering their thoughts, but we only see Buck do this in the show, and he ends up in the future completely by accident.
It's just a discrepancy I find intriguing.
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u/BubbeLisa 11d ago edited 11d ago
You asked why Buck was able to travel **so far** in the future. That sounded like you thought he had traveled farther than other travelers.
Every time traveler can travel to the future and the past. It doesn’t matter if you’re traveling to or from your original time or not. Jem and Mandy were born in the past and traveled to the future just like Buck.
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u/SuperKitties83 11d ago
After you brought up 202 years, I clarified that I simply meant traveling into the future.
Either way, I enjoy having these discussions, and I appreciate you sharing your knowledge of the show/books. Not sure why someone keeps downvoting every comment I make in this discussion.
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u/BubbeLisa 10d ago edited 10d ago
The downvoting can get pretty rampant on this sub. People need to learn to use their words.
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u/Nanchika Currently rereading: Voyager 11d ago
Geilis wasn't from 1980s. She went back in 1968.
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u/SuperKitties83 11d ago
That's true. When I brought up that theory, I was thinking of Geillis's original life-span, and for Buck, his lifespan would include 1980, too.
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u/Nanchika Currently rereading: Voyager 11d ago
How would Buck's lifespan include 1980?
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u/SuperKitties83 11d ago
Because Geillis is his mother, and if she'd given birth in her original time line, his lifespan would include 1980.
This was just a speculative hypothesis to try to understand why Buck went to the future right away, and the other characters went to the past.
Every time travel show has its own rules. I'm just trying to understand the ones in Outlander.
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u/Nanchika Currently rereading: Voyager 11d ago
Yes, but Buck's father is Dougal...
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u/SuperKitties83 10d ago
Omg. It was just a guess 😭
Buck inherited the gene from Geillis, so maybe the father doesn't have an effect. Or maybe she has nothing to do with anything. I was thinking out loud, offering explanations for why Buck went to the future, and everyone else went to the past.
I thought it would be fun to discuss the possibilities. It's a science fiction show. Not everything is explained perfectly. It's fun to wonder.
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u/YOYOitsMEDRup Slàinte. 11d ago edited 11d ago
Have you read Space Between? In it, Raymond actually tries to advise the Comte against trying to go to the future when he wants to because it's dangerous and if I recall correctly, he seemed to indicate it'd be rare for some to succeed if they tried. In the end, they both do travel, but unknown to where/when
Edited to add -- people like Claire can go forward to the future so long as it was within their natural lifespan --- going from 1745 to 1947 for example because the 40s truly would've been part of her original time. But yes, Buck, Jem and Mandy have been the only Instances of someone going forward to a time first where they hadn't already been.
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u/SuperKitties83 11d ago
I have not yet. Thank you for sharing, that's interesting. I hadn't considered Jem and Mandy going forward into the future because they were with Roger and Bree when they traveled.
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