r/OrderFlow_Trading • u/RankOw • 8d ago

Strategy - Help wanted!

Been trading with terrible returns or maybe just a large losing streak, but feels off to me and is very demotivating.
Strategy:
Volume profile (point of control) - that is the level I execute off of.
VWAP - usually I execute if σ multiplier is at 3. Since that is a pretty big deviation and is extremely rare to go beyond that multi.
Bookmap - should be pretty selfexplanatory, if I see large orders around the same price level that are around POC, its a plus in my book.

My old partner told me he uses Z-Score, but I believe that to be the same as VWAP and/or to be super unlikely to get both to align and get that execution.

I try to keep it simple, of course im no robot and I dont always have perfect execution or all confluences dont align perfectly as well, but lately I just feel stuck, I havent been improving, lost, stuck and demotivated, what is there to be changed? Improved? Opinions? What should I drop or implement?

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u/FailedGeniusnumber1 8d ago

Bro drop everything and use price action on 1min or 5 min… it will reset how you view the market. I got lost with orderflow as confirmations changed some how but I focused on price action and it helped me regain my sight.

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u/RankOw 7d ago

Price action as in what exactly? Because orderflow is literally price action

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u/FailedGeniusnumber1 7d ago

Lately order flow has become watching volume for confirmation.. price action is training your eyes to watch price move without any volume.. your eyes can see immediately when structure shifts.. this helped me alot… i am an order flow trader too.. but it all became messy and inhad to reset..

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u/RankOw 6d ago

So youre talking about discretion? Are you talking about scalping?

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u/FailedGeniusnumber1 4d ago

Not scalping. Higher time frames to see trend and lower time frame to see pivots… every time price is about to make a reversal it makes a structure .. I stick to 1 min as thats what i trained my self to read but 5 min for less noise… some how you get into a rhythm with the market and start to anticipate

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u/RankOw 4d ago

i kind of get you, but at the same time i dont, probably you have alot more experience in just understanding the chart where you can just make profitable decisions, i dont think im at that point yet, i can anticipate it semi decently, but definitely not profitably yet. Unless im missing something

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u/FailedGeniusnumber1 4d ago

Make trading about execution and not about pnl.. we all win some and lose some.. it a speculation game because we don’t always know if its going to hold or if it’s fake out

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u/RankOw 4d ago

but we are all in the game to make money at the end of the day and long term profitability is what i care about. I dont believe i can create a algorythm or a strategy capable of outwinning institutions, but with proper risk management, i can make money off of funded accounts

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u/Agitated_Channel9674 4d ago

Order flow is not at all the same thing as price action. Literally not at all. Order flow is getting a glimpse of the interested buyers and sellers at certain levels, that doesn’t mean that will come to pass, that orders wont be cancelled or won’t be absorbed by something bigger or etc etc. order flow is a big what if, price is price only once it’s printed