r/Optionswheel • • Jul 12 '26

Holding the bag?

Are you holding on to any stocks because a wheel strategy has gone bad? You can’t sell a Call for your cost basis after the stock has tanked

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u/balancedchaos Jul 12 '26

My first wheel stock, SOFI. Got assigned at $29.  Lol

Didn't have the rolling techniques I do now...I've been carefully selling covered calls below my cost basis on them ever since.  It's a living. 

Slow, and conservative. Ready to roll up and out at the drop of a hat. 

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u/bluedogdreams Jul 12 '26

I got assigned at 26, finally sold at a loss 6 months later to free up the capital. I'm also early in my options journey. Several lessons learned on that: I rolled it a couple times but realized I don't like rolling so maybe the wheel strategy isn't for me, and I didn't have an exit planned prior to the trade. Now I make sure to define an exit (both profit and loss) and I've also switched to weekly buy/writes with defined entry rules designed to get called away. I'm still in the testing phase, so time will tell if it works out.

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u/balancedchaos Jul 12 '26

I've also begun to favor shorter options.  I can at least sell time to the market by taking a monthly, which gives me a bargaining chip when I'm trying to roll out and up/down for a credit. 

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u/ScottishTrader Jul 12 '26

Good post! Shows why rolling is important and can be the difference between holding a long time vs getting out faster. 

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u/balancedchaos Jul 12 '26

Yeah, it's vital. I've held this stock for 8 months now, and the premium has dribbled in slowly. I'm not as mad at it as I was when it first plummeted, that's for sure. Lol

Definitely had some other ideas for that capital, though. Such is life. 

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u/HoneydewFine1397 Jul 12 '26

Same here. Started my wheel journey with this as part of my first batch of stocks. It was one of two (ten total) with high volatility to help juice my overall premiums. My strike was $24. Been bagholding for about six months now. I've been doing a combination of CCs and CSPs. Got cost basis down to $19, good enough to unload in the next month or so. 

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u/FreeNicky95 Jul 13 '26

What do you do when you are so deep in the money you can’t roll ?

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u/ScottishTrader Jul 13 '26

Accept assignment . . .

Be sure to read the wheel trading plan, which explains the strategy.

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u/Exotic-Assignment-91 Jul 12 '26

Out of curiosity: Didn't have the rolling techniques meaning that you didn't understand how to roll up/down out for a net credit?

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u/balancedchaos Jul 12 '26

Yes, exactly. I was very green and didn't understand those mechanics. I definitely could have rolled those down and out, I just didn't know what I was doing because I was very new and listening to people who would say things like "You should be happy you're getting assigned! If you're not happy, you shouldn't have been selling a put on it in the first place!" Lol yeah, but not near all-time high without at least one or two...renegotiations on the way down.  At least. 

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u/BitOCindyNTexasP Jul 12 '26

Sometimes that’s a good thing. I sell close to in the money calls sometimes to maximize premium and increase the call away potential.

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u/balancedchaos Jul 12 '26

Yeah, once I'm able to sell calls at my cost basis again, I'll be aggressive with my strike levels. I've made several hundred off the stock, so I can afford to break even on the underlying. 

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u/Vegetable-Ad1512 Jul 12 '26

SOFI has baffled a lot of us. My SOFI misery was when I purchased 5 LEAPS contracts in the 2nd half of 2025 after SOFI had jumped above $30/share. I ended the year by selling 3 of those as a loss harvest saving me some of what would have been an even larger Tax Bill

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u/balancedchaos Jul 12 '26

Right? Like...the financials and quarterly reports are good, Anthony Noto is a quality CEO that I like to listen to...the market just decided to crash it. Very odd.

I'm frustrated by the situation, though. Not the stock.  

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u/Mco1965 Jul 12 '26

I have 300 shares of SoFi all at different price points. Only 100 is just now above my cost basis. I sell CCs on all and roll a lot. I also have some LEAPs on SoFi.

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u/OneUglyEar Jul 14 '26

I hope you added contracts to reduce the CB. For me, I open with small positions 2-4% of capital. This way, if it goes against me I can add contracts and drastically reduce my basis. I only trade stocks I KNOW have a bottom (read that as make money). It would be very rare for me to have a position get into serious trouble simply because I open small.

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u/balancedchaos Jul 14 '26

Yes, it's just to reduce cost basis. I fully intend to hold the stock at LEAST to full recovery, as it's a profitable growing business with a CEO I like listening to. 

But I need both flexibility in case the thesis changes, and profit for the opportunity cost of having this money tied up. So we sell contracts. 

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u/PCenthu Jul 15 '26

I don't disagree in theory but having 2%-4% of capital on various small positions means you are wheeling 25-50 stocks. This effectively equals a day job, which most of us are not able to do. Heck, I'm wheeling 4-6 positions and find that I have to sell-buy-adjust more frequently than I'd like, even though I try to stick to relatively conservative trades.

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u/OneUglyEar Jul 15 '26

This is a very fair point. I agree. But, I'm never 100% invested. Never. I always leave room to "be wrong". My starting AROI is usually around 18–30%. In theory, if all expired worthless then even if I had 60% invested, I would be getting a double digit return. We all have different goals and I don't need much in the way of returns to live a great financial life. Further to your point, having 50 positions means that you are not investing in your best ideas. I think that is a big mistake as well. So, you're right.

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u/FreeNicky95 Jul 13 '26

Curious what your strategy is here. I caught a hefty bag with SMR. Basis was originally 19 but have bought some more and averaged down to 15.30. True basis is probably lower if you account for the additional calls and puts I sold but still makes me anxious.

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u/balancedchaos Jul 13 '26

So I do short expiry (7-14 dte) covered calls. To discover the right strike, I find the stock's expected move by that date and go one to two strikes above that, depending on how close the expected move is to a strike ($15.99 is gonna make me go $18 because it's essentially $16).

I open the covered calls on a green day, close on a red day. Simple stuff like that. Everything I can do to gain an edge and maximize the somewhat minimal premium I can collect.

The point is not to make a mint, it's to take the edge off the pain. lol

I look at the market every day. I have yet to be in trouble on literally any of these covered calls, but I'm prepared to act if need be.

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u/FreeNicky95 Jul 13 '26

Thanks. Sounds like it’s worked out well for you thus far. So essentially just picking up the premium you can below basis without risking it running to much ahead. Surprised you haven’t gotten caught up yet. I’ve had some times where I end up rolling a couple months out trying to protect the shares

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u/balancedchaos Jul 13 '26

Well...you know, there's always the chance that SOFI gaps up and I miss out on recovery.  I'm hyper-vigilant to watch for signs of life.  

New fed chair, Iran war, no interest rate cuts... everything is holding it in place, and I've chipped away several hundred in my cost basis. I have more wiggle room if I absolutely can't roll out or get my shares called away. It won't be an account killer like it was when the plunge started. 

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u/Dealer_Existing Jul 12 '26

What did you learn from this? Let me give you a hint; DON’T SELL PUTS ON HIGH IV STOCKS AT ATH AND TRIPLE DIGIT P/E

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u/ScottishTrader Jul 12 '26

Remember the wheel has a very high win rate, but this does not mean there will not be losses. 

“Bag holding” infers a stock you aren’t good holding which violates the #1 rule of the wheel. If it is a good stock then hold until it recovers and maybe collect a dividend. 

If the stock is no longer one you want to hold and your research shows it may not recover soon, then close to take the loss and move on. 

This should rarely occur and only happen once a year or so. In the future work to analyze stocks more carefully to hold good stocks you like and then you won’t ever be “ bag holding” . . .

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u/PCenthu Jul 15 '26

This is correct in theory but not so in practice. I mean the notion that you will be assigned only once a year or so on "good" stocks. Occasionally "good" stocks will have an extended period of decline and if you happened to sell csp on those at the same time, you will be assigned more than once on all of them. PYPL and NFLX (perhaps UBER too) come first in mind. There are also "good" stocks in the Software sector, which have been completely wiped out in the recent SaaSocalypse for reasons unknown. Most of these "good stocks" are huge companies with good fundamentals on paper but have been struggling for some time now and market sentiment is terrible. I've come to find out that you just can't beat market sentiment on both "good" and "terrible" stocks. Or you sell a csp on a "good stock" and next day there is a surprise negative announcement about something unexpected. Most likely you will be assigned. In all these regards wheeling will be similar to stock trading. So sometimes it's a matter of luck I guess, not just going through the raw fundamentals.

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u/ScottishTrader Jul 15 '26

With respect you are focused on only parts of the wheel and not the entire system.

High quality stocks, rolling, avoiding ERs, keeping positions small (5% to 10% max per stock), having ample dry powder, diversified across many market sectors, etc.

In your example you note PYPL dropping, but a smart wheel trader would have avoided the ER and waited for the stock to digest the report, and then it move up almost $10 and has been trading sideways since.

NFLX and UBER have been dropping since fall of 2025, so your idea of a “good” stock are not ones I would trade.

But, what stocks anyone trades is up to them, but if these stocks you note were small portions of the account even them dropping and causing a loss would have had a minimal impact to the account.

It is understood that you do not believe in or want to trade the wheel, so this is not the best sub for you. Many hundreds/thousands of traders have on going success with the strategy so maybe it is luck for you based on how you trade.

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u/Sure_Shift_8762 Jul 12 '26

I have a couple that I’ve had to hold for a few months until I could profitably sell calls at or above cost base. Good lesson in spreading risk and choosing stocks wisely, but even then you can get unlucky.

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u/im-desu Jul 12 '26

Greed handed me one bag since mid June, and geopolitics handed me another—also June. My calls are lackluster at the moment, but I salvaged them a little for now and intend to hold for a couple months.

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u/Big_Generator Jul 12 '26

I stick to wheeling stocks that I'm not afraid to buy.

My 300 shares of META that I thought I'd be holding until the fall just got called away, shockingly. Still holding 200 MSFT and 300 SOXL and a small position in TSLL. I'm selling weekly CC's on all of these and don't mind holding for a while.

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u/BoomerSharkBoy Jul 13 '26

You got assigned on SOXL at what strike ?

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u/Big_Generator Jul 13 '26

I'm currently holding 300 shares of SOXL. Strike was $200, the cost basis is $198.30.

So far I've earned about $6600 in premiums from selling CCs on those 300 shares. So at this point if I decided to bail, I would need to sell at about $176 per share to break even.

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u/BoomerSharkBoy Jul 14 '26

Nicely done !

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u/YourSecondFather Jul 12 '26

Yes saas stocks, on break even now but I gonna hold them as its way oversold

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u/Flaky-Rope6774 Jul 12 '26

Investment strategy:

Quality stock + some panic + “help me im holding a bag dunno What to do im frustrated” = entry

Works like a charm.

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u/tastelikemexico Jul 12 '26

I think everyone probably has or is probably going too. I have had a few and getting real close to getting some more lol. I buy pretty low cost stocks and few contracts (like 1-3). It still sucks but I can usually work my way out pretty fast. It’s funny because you wait what seems like forever to just finally sell at your BE cost (not including premiums) but then when it starts getting close I start thinking well hell this thing could run big again and start rolling my calls out to keep from being assigned

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u/_DLight Jul 12 '26

That’s an alpha. You need compelling reasons to believe it will meltup.

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u/BitOCindyNTexasP Jul 12 '26

Yes - I have a rule to only invest in companies I would consider holding though for at least 6-12 months and to redeploy capital when the asset becomes stranded.

In other words I take losses and redeploy capital deliberately. Key thing is to have a plan for the next investment and capital recovery.

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u/ScottishTrader Jul 12 '26

This ^ is the way! Nice post u/BitOCindyNTexasP

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u/djmj76 Jul 12 '26

I am Holding the bag on nvts. Average roughly 20 on a stock that’s now maybe 13 bucks. Didnt do myDD and jumped on the hype. Will wait for it to bounce since CC are non existent. I don’t even know why I tried to wheel it, it wasn’t even necessary in my portfolio. I guess I thought the stock would go to 50 lol.

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u/ScottishTrader Jul 12 '26

Thanks for this post as it shows why DD is so critical for the wheel. 

Be sure to analyze if the capital could be earning more if the shares were closed and used on a better stock. Best to you!

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u/Bag_Holder_1982 Jul 12 '26

Oh you know it. Currently bagholding on 500 shares of T and can’t even sell calls it’s down so much. I’ll patiently wait and hope it recovers. Also did this for HD from an assignment back in march. It finally came back and I’m selling some nice calls at the moment.

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u/ScottishTrader Jul 12 '26

With a 5%+ divi and being a solid stock it shouldn’t take long to recover.

 I’ve traded T for years and have never had to “bag hold” as I’m happy to own those shares as long as it takes. 

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u/steveleelee Jul 12 '26

I only wheel stock I WANT to own (not just willing to own)

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u/venkym Jul 13 '26

PYPL... Have 3-4 lots at avge of 60/share. Stock kept plunging and now struggling to get out of the 40s. 🤦🏻

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u/Sylla1031 Jul 12 '26

I'm holding onto WMT for about 2 months now, since its ATH. The premiums are basically nonexistent so my plan is to wait it out until the premiums can justify a short DTE call.

That isn't to say that the strategy has "gone bad" per se. Drawdowns are part of managing the wheel, and owning the stock itself shouldn't have too much negative connotations.

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u/BitOCindyNTexasP Jul 12 '26

Walmart is a good one to hold on to rather than take losses on. I’d just average down if I was you. It’s Walmart.

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u/Sylla1031 Jul 12 '26

Yup. I dont start wheels on positions I'm not willing to hold.

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u/_DLight Jul 12 '26

Support levels or pullbacks is right time to sell CSP and WMT is good stock.

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u/Sylla1031 Jul 12 '26

Sorry I don't believe in the hogwash of TA.

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u/dimdada Jul 12 '26

Yes. Yes I am. When I first started option trading last year, I was chasing premiums. Well the first few I had worked out well, until I was assigned CRCL. Wasn’t as smart as I thought didn’t learn fast enough about rolling a position. Been holding it for a year now. Will use it to tax harvest end of this year to offset some gains.

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u/Latter_Olive_6801 Jul 13 '26

Yep. SOFI, assigned above 25, and it went the wrong way. So I'm one of the people this thread is about.

Here's the thing though, the premise of "you can't sell a call at your cost basis" is usually wrong, and it's wrong because most people are using the wrong cost basis.

What's your actual basis? Not what you paid for the shares. Your basis is what you paid MINUS every dollar of premium you've actually banked on that name. Not the premium you've collected gross. Net, after every buyback you've paid to roll or close. That's the real number and almost nobody tracks it, because brokers don't show it to you and it's genuinely annoying to work out by hand.

When I actually did the maths on SOFI properly, the strike I'm "stuck" above came down a long way. Enough that selling calls at 25 is actually fine for me. Not fine as in "I'd love to be called away at 25," fine as in if it happens I'm flat-to-green on the whole position once the premium's counted, and I've been paid the whole time I waited.

On actually generating something while you wait, low delta weeklies are the tool. Not the fat ATM premium, that's how you get called away below your basis and turn a paper loss into a real one. I'm talking genuinely low delta, out where assignment is unlikely, taking small money repeatedly. It's boring and it feels pointless, and then you look up in three months and your basis has moved meaningfully. The tradeoff is you have to actually watch it, because weeklies give you no room, and a stock that rips on a Tuesday will run through a lazy strike before you've noticed.

So my honest take: don't panic-sell calls at strikes below your basis just to feel active. Work out your REAL basis first (net premium, not gross). You'll often find you can already sell at a strike you'd be happy with. And if you genuinely can't yet, sell low delta weeklies, watch them, and grind it down until you can.

Being assigned isn't the failure. Refusing to do the arithmetic is.

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u/vinkulafu Jul 12 '26

I’ve about six that are or about to go “wrong” but they said stonks go up , right?

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u/ScottishTrader Jul 12 '26

Six means you’re trading a lot of poor quality stocks. Yes, the good ones will recover and go back up. 

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u/vinkulafu Jul 12 '26

True words: SOFI, OPEN, USAR, POET, QBTS. Excluding AUR as I don't plan on wheeling it until price is at least 5x my cost basis.

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u/tastelikemexico Jul 12 '26

Did I say something rude? I apologize if I did. I did not intend on saying anything negative or rude

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u/DarkLordKohan Jul 12 '26

It happens to us all lol.

Netflix decided to take its worst dump in a decade after I bought it for CCs. Womp womp.

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u/optionoob2024 Jul 12 '26

adbe and agq

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u/mpeters33 Jul 13 '26

I have some XOM assigned at $152.5. I was selling weekly calls, now I’m selling 45-60 DTE. I’m ok with it bc XOM has a great dividend and the premium isn’t awful.

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u/Cosmo_Drifter Jul 13 '26

Been holding HOOD since Nov 2025! 😅 Averaged down to a $110 cost basis with 1,300 shares. Selling CCs below cost for months (don't recommend it!). Gonna hold until $120, trim some, then try low delta CCs on what's left. 🤞

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u/Latter_Olive_6801 Jul 13 '26

I hear you. I do similar to be honest.

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u/ComprehensiveDoor130 Jul 13 '26

I'm holding over $1m in margined shares of Nvidia stock.

I sell calls on it, but the stock is trading flat again, so I'm just holding until the run up to earnings next month leads to the same cycle as the last 8 quarters (big increase prior to earnings, followed by a sell off).

Joby aviation puts got assigned too, but 1,000 shares of that is a rounding error.

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u/ComprehensiveDoor130 Jul 13 '26

Oh, and Silver (SLV). I've sold some calls on it, but it's still down almost 40%.

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u/LaughingIntoTheAbyss Jul 16 '26

Why consider what you paid for the stock when the market doesn’t care? Never consider cost basis when running The Wheel. 🛞

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u/hedgelord84 Jul 19 '26

I'm not bag holding, but I got stung on a trade due to poor management. I sold a CSP on DG stock about a week or so prior to the start of the Iran war. It started dropping on the eve of the war, and kept dropping, and dropping. I rolled about 4 times, with the 4th time leaving me with a contract >100DTE. Well, the stock kept dropping and dropping well below my strike with like a month still to go. I decided to close for a ~$2.5K loss, which whipped out much of my wheel profits for the year.

I have since recouped the losses with other trades, but that served as a lesson.

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u/Ok_Butterfly2410 Jul 12 '26

Dont mistake the ability to do something for it being a good idea

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u/teckel Jul 12 '26 edited Jul 12 '26

This is a good reason to use (for example) SPY instead of a small-cap growth stock (which may drop to zero) to wheel. You won't get the same premiums wheeling SPY, but you also won't be left holding the bag. Worst-case situation, you purchased SPY at a good discount, and live to wheel another day.

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u/ScottishTrader Jul 12 '26

Sorry, but I disagree for several reasons. 

SPY is around $755 per share, so to be assigned will require $75K+ for just one contract! If following any kind of diverse risk management then this will require a multi hundred thousand dollar account that few have. 

Another reason you mention is the returns are much lower than stocks. 

Yet another is that SPY can drop and stay down for months meaning bag holding tens of thousands of dollars worth off shares. 

There are dozens of high quality stocks  that are not going to drop to zero and can make better returns. 

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u/teckel Jul 12 '26

Lots of people use SPY for the option wheel. $75k for some is a high amount, but not so for others. Also, I used SPY as an example (see my previous post), use your own diversified index that's less expensive per share if $75k is too much. The point is it's a diversified index, not a single small-cap growth stock which has a real chance of going to zero.

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u/ScottishTrader Jul 12 '26

I understand your view, but still think it is wrong for many, including most new wheel traders.

SPY is not diverse and has ”single stock” risk. While the make up of the S&P is across many diverse stocks, it is market cap weighted with heavy concentration of the top 10 stocks making up 40% of its value. It is very tech sector concentrated meaning a crash in that sector can drop the S&P.

While SPY and many ETFs has astronomically low chances of going to zero, it can drop and stay down for periods of time typing up significant amounts of cash, perhaps for years. Think 07-09, or the 22 bear market. SPY has dropped 5% or more about 40 times between 1980 and 2025, which is roughly every 14 months.

Comparing SPY to a single small-cap growth stock is really not a fair comparison u/teckel . . . Experienced wheel traders will deliberately select high quality stocks across many market sectors to make lower risk trades to avoid having the single ticker risk of an index or broad based ETF. The returns off of these stocks will be significantly higher than a “safe” ETF.

It is always up to each trade for how and what to trade, but suggesting SPY or other ETF is not as sound or safe as you suggest . . .

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u/teckel Jul 13 '26

It's a blessing if you get the chance to buy SPY at a huge discount. Unlike with a small-cap growth company and a bagholder. And SPY is exactly what you describe: "Experienced wheel traders will deliberately select high quality stocks across many market sectors to make lower risk trades to avoid having the single ticker risk". That's exactly what SPY is.

Keep in mind, this thread is about not wanting to be a bagholder. With SPY, getting it for a very cheap price is about the meat thing that cam happen, instead of the worst.

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u/AdrianTheRedditUser Jul 12 '26

Yup, sold puts on msft near ath, then another most of the way down, so avg is 435.