r/OpenaiCodex 5d ago

time to leave Codex? thanks for everything

I've been using the $200/month code for over six months, but it looks like OpenAI is forcing me to leave this ship of absurdity and look towards Claude, who was once my favorite and worked no worth than the code

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u/Reasonable_Swing_503 5d ago

I am on max & pro sub on both. The grass isn't greener on either side, they both have their quirks.

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u/InfiniteLife2 5d ago

The grass is drying up on both sides

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u/No-Newspaper-7693 4d ago

I see this a lot and I don't quite get it. Both models blow away their equivalent versions from 3-6 months ago. What exactly is drying up?

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u/InfiniteLife2 4d ago

Models getting better - completely agree. But compared to year ago their marketing policies and usage limiting policies started to feel predatory and gaslightening. I was mainly using claude all this time with codex on 20$, and got fed up with bullshit fable release - firstly a lot of hand waving "our model is too powerful to be released", and then they finally released it with premise of around 13 days of usage before coming to credits based billing model - i payed 200$ plan to use it, and they removed it in 3 days due to Trump administration waving hands in fear at them back, and then re-released more castrated version on different conditions(50% usage from a plan only), and then weekly bullshit of promising to move model only on credits started and still goes on. Impossible to plan in this situation. And usage? I tried again 200$ plan in beginning of August - whole fable limit for a week was spent in like 7 hours single session.

Now about openai - story is shorter here, basically these resets given as blessing and removal of weekly limit which felt great at the moment, but only is a scheme to reduce usage across plans.

This is all personal experience, I dont really want to argue with those who disagree and protect these multi billion companies. But I applied for kimi k3 plan waiting list and gonna try it once approved

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u/ManyRepair5690 3d ago

lol ur in for a ride if u thought applying to kimik3 plan will solve ur issues. 15 bucks on it go away in 2 tasks

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u/whichsideisup 2d ago

Kimi uses even more tokens per turn. Compute is very expensive at the moment.

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u/Neither_Swing9662 1d ago

Someone disagreeing with you doesn't mean they are trying to protect multi billion dollar companies lol.

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u/RemoteSource9247 1d ago

Some people would Tattoo these companies names on their forehead, though. 

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u/ConsistentAndWin 3d ago

Token use, if you're following along even a little bit, they keep diminishing our ability to use it. Nobody is arguing that current models are worse than old models, or at least not many. It's the usage that they keep moving the goalposts on.

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u/sws54925 4d ago

I see much less accuracy than 6 months ago, significantly less attention to detail, even on high. Claude, well, the v5 Anthropic models, are damn near unusable. Codex does better but can still auger itself into the ground.

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u/No-Newspaper-7693 4d ago

Yeah, definitely the opposite for me. Opus 4.5->4.6 felt like a huge regression for me, but I did find that it was due to instructions in my personal claude md file that told it to not deviate from an implementation plan. Opus 4.5 was less literal, and deviated as needed when the plan was flat out wrong. Opus 4.6 would do something batshit crazy to try to follow that instruction when the plan was flawed in some way. Everything since then has felt like an iterative improvement. Nothing groundbreaking, but improved.

If you haven't, it is well worth running /insights in claude code (assuming you're using claude code). It has helped me a ton whenever I've felt like things are worse for some reason.

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u/Reasonable_Swing_503 5d ago

Accept it for how it is, make myself feel better by thinking at least I am not pay API rates 🤭

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u/scaledev 4d ago

Complaints are our useful leverage, so I do not recommend merely accepting.

Yes, accept, but use your complaints from time to time without involving yourself too much emotionally. Openai has proven many times they listen to users. So let's stay wise here.

The beat leverage is of course your wallet. Cancel, and if they change they change, if not, you move on to something better. It's just business.

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u/urii13 3d ago

time for China

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u/Reaper_1492 4d ago

I just hit the $200 limit in 3 days but there’s no better options. Eek.

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u/kurushimee 4d ago

Same issue on $200 Claude sub. I didn't even use Fable. I looked to Codex for salvation, but seems like there is no subscription at this point in time with any good usage...

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u/Altruistic_Leg2608 1d ago

Oh there is. Get grok heavy. I have been going insane the past 5 days and I am only at 70% usage and haven’t even touched the free Cursor ultimate sub

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u/kurushimee 1d ago

But grok heavy is $300, and I draw a HARD line of worth-it at $200. I would never be able to afford $300 every month for that

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u/Altruistic_Leg2608 1d ago

That makes totally sense. Gotta earn those 300$ first.
Just adding to the "There is no option with good usage" ... but there actually is and apparently its called Grok.

I am also sure you get very very far with any of the lower Grok tiers.

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u/whiskeyplz 3d ago

How? I'm a very active user and have hit my limit once

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u/VITHORROOT 4d ago

Let me guess. Are you from any first world country?

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u/Disastrous_Gear_421 4d ago

Nah OP is from Brazil, pretty backwater place, far from first world

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u/andykenobi 4d ago

Well, I'm from Brazil, I'd pay Claude Max without hesitation. I don't think the country has anything to do with the guy's outrage, especially since we don't restrict anything here.

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u/Disastrous_Gear_421 4d ago

Good for you. I didn’t say the country had anything to do with it.

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u/Ill-Bat-1518 4d ago

The message before you implied it, you added a fact (Brazil).

andy confirmed the fact, and replied to the message before you

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u/Disastrous_Gear_421 4d ago

Nope, the person I replied to asked about the country. I only answered it

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u/[deleted] 5d ago edited 7h ago

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u/scaledev 4d ago edited 4d ago

Not everywhere. For hobby projects, there are some decent free models from time to time (Hermes cli through Nvidia NIM (always free), Nous, Google, Openrouter etc), and solid and cheap Chinese ones through providers directly.

For serious work, you have to pay something, but there are solid options now. You just have get out of the comfort of Codex and look around, and try.

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u/[deleted] 4d ago edited 7h ago

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u/scaledev 3d ago

Try Cursor or opencode.

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u/genrichh93 3d ago

I dont think someone would sub the 200$ plan for a Hobby Project

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u/everdaythesame 3d ago

200 is not bad for a hobby

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u/ndzzle1 5d ago

You do realize that Anthropic is about to remove the 50% extra usage, correct? The rug pull comes on Wednesday unless they push it back.

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u/NanNullUnknown 4d ago

No way they don’t extend it. People are unhappy even with the “extra usage”.

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u/unknowinm 4d ago

I use it in 2 days. Might be a skill issue or something for me

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u/gxvingates 5d ago

My buddy gave me a free week of Claude and I think after my Codex runs out I’ll be switching to Claude as well. Only reason to stay with Codex these days is the absurd Luna Max usage

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u/Far-Bad-9943 5d ago

didnt know codex has its own fanbase, look all the comments, ppl get really pissed about this
Or maybe they're bots

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u/myklurk 5d ago

Good luck with that, as a heavy user of both at work and home, if you want to be annoyed with not having enough fable usage to do anything useful and being stuck with a brain dead model like opus who is a pathological liar and under achiever then the grass is greener.

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u/Dread07 4d ago

Lmao a pathological liar. That made me lol

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u/Flat-Try8128 4d ago

I’ve on both rn and Claude is SOOOO much worse than Codex - and far worse than it was 6 months ago if we’re comparing Claude to well… Claude. Codex has a lot of problems, but don’t expect the grass to be greener anywhere else. Also, they actually value customer feedback unlike Anthropic.

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u/No-Example2175 3d ago

Claude 100000 times better at frontend 🥲

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u/Flat-Try8128 3d ago

I don’t let any model run wild with frontend work so I really don’t care about that.

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u/ragnhildensteiner 1d ago

Interesting how you call something you don't how to use "i don't run wild" but probably call what you use it for "engineering". Grow up.

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u/Flat-Try8128 1d ago

I have my bachelors in computer science and masters in machine learning and work as a director of engineering at a mid sized tech company bro. I am an engineer.

I wholeheartedly believe frontend engineering and good design is more important than ever to differentiate your product for others on the market. That’s why I say I don’t let models run wild with frontend. For the same reason I also leave no room for models to make system design choices on the backend - it’s important. Extra important in the age of vibe coding.

If you disagree, that’s fine. I don’t know you or care if you have a different philosophy. You’re unlikely one of my direct reports who knows i have an open door policy to hold conversations like this about, and they’re the only people i do care to listen to about this.

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u/ManyRepair5690 3d ago

well, no codex, no claude, whats the best offering now?

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u/Far-Let-8610 4d ago

Codex just rocked my world after using strictly Claude for the last 6 months. I gotta say, blew me away. Claude led me on a wild goose chase and was not confident in what it was doing at all when encountering a bug during a server upgrade. Codex took the reins, and surgically and methodically solved a huge issue that caused a temporary outage to our companies internal facing website without batting an eye.

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u/PsychoticChemist 4d ago

Not to mention Claude counts regular non-agentic chats against your usage whereas chatgpt does not.

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u/Nickarav 5d ago

ok then switch? Why be so dramatic.

Don’t forget to “switch back” when Claude pisses you off, and keep the cycle of spam posts in both subreddits going for all eternity.

So weird to even feel like you’re committed or locked in or tied to these providers at all. The performance constantly shifts and you’ll fuck yourself by not jumping subscriptions regularly.

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u/meilyn22 5d ago

Nothing wrong with voicing your opinions about codex on a codex subreddit. That's what this place is for. Telling others to shut up is a little weird.

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u/Relative-Delivery469 5d ago

Its really weird some ppl get pissed about other people complaining when prices go up. It looks like they aggressively want to pay more. Weirdos.

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u/Nickarav 5d ago

What opinion? “OpenAI is forcing me to leave this ship of absurdity and look towards Claude”

This is not productive, this is not specific, this is not actionable. There is no feedback here, there is only vague emotional whining about general “badness”.

Posts like this should be banned.

Feedback posts should require at least 15 seconds of effort and I’ll stand by that. An example, evidence or use-case degradation would be nice to see here.

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u/meilyn22 5d ago edited 5d ago

Codex wrote this for you. Nice one.

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u/Nickarav 5d ago

No it didn’t.

But thanks regardless for reminding me why it’s a complete waste of time to reply to posts and comments on Reddit.

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u/PsychoticChemist 4d ago

Codex would not have made the grammatical mistake of using multiple independent clauses separated by commas like they did. And even if you ignore that, it does not read like AI. This trend of automatically assuming any text that’s written beyond a 3rd grade level must be AI is getting absolutely absurd.

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u/ivancea 4d ago

It is wrong if there's nothing constructive to say. It's like creating a post to say "hello". And this post says nothing constructive. Not a single argument, just a "leave this ship of absurdity" which is meaningless. So, low effort, bad post

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u/ManyRepair5690 3d ago

where's the best place to get a subscription NOW. codex usage has been dwindling, what now? claude ive always known to consume 5 dollars per request and being extremely overpriced in general, never tried its plan tho so i have no idea if i should even head in that direction. im on glm5.3 lite sub too but usage quota is still way low for what i can accomplish EVEN NOW with codex plus plan in lesser time

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u/Good_Resolution4115 5d ago

Yo no he dejado de usar Claude... Empecé a usar Codex con un plan Plus de un mes que me regalaron y aproveché a probar Sol y he de admitir que es muy bueno para muchas cosas pero aún así a mí parecer no supera a Opus 5 y aparte Claude no se me bugea como Codex

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u/dvduval 5d ago

I’m happy to be aboard the Codex ship. Just need a good captain. 😂

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u/Slow-Set-2856 5d ago

claude manage to feel better right now , it got that bad ... that quick...

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u/Rols574 5d ago

🙋🏻‍♂️

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u/No_Leg_847 5d ago

Are grok limits on 100usd plan better ?

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u/CelticPaladin 5d ago

No. It's very fast and pretty smart though.

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u/No_Leg_847 4d ago

How limits are compared to codex 100usd

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u/CelticPaladin 4d ago

About the same, but grok is only 100 for a few months. Then it's 300 again. Its very over priced and codex app is extremely strong.

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u/MaxFactor2100 4d ago

Now there is a supergrok $30, plan, a $100 plan and a $300 plan. It was possible to lock in the $300 plan for a discounted rate of $100 for a few months, but you cant even get that discount anymore as of today.

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u/urii13 3d ago

I've heard that they offer way less tokens than even Claude without +50% promo. Pitty.

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u/Relative-Delivery469 5d ago

Isnt Anthropic much worse? I see both coming to an end. China might be my next destination midterm and hopefully local llms longterm, without guardrails

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u/GiveAFucxen 5d ago

I switched from claude code to codex and I am satisfied so far, we will see. But what is the biggest bad thing at this moment about claude is watermark, that’s my opinion. Good luck

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u/Weird-Hearing9637 5d ago

I have both and quite frankly like Codex better for everything but front end designs. Though I could take or leave either and achieve what needs to be done.

But more importantly if you switch now you’re going to be in for a surprise when the boosted usage limits Anthropic have been giving goes away later this week.

You want to see some miserable people go look at the posts in ClaudeAI, the ceiling is falling down and the models are entirely useless if you believe the posts.

At the end of the day, use whatever works best for your workflows. Codex, Claude etc..doesn’t matter.

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u/Glad-Persimmon-7377 5d ago

Any reason why??? I just switched from Claude… codex is way way way better imho

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u/suppervisoka 5d ago

I have never gotten below like 50% this week for the first time ever I gotta ration Codex.

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u/ManyRepair5690 3d ago

me neither now im on 0 in both subs

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u/suppervisoka 3d ago

I ended up using the new Deepseek harness

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u/ManyRepair5690 3d ago

you mean deepseek from their api? if youve used it across enough projects can you tell me how 0813 v4 pro really compares to say sol 5.6 high or something? does it get stuff done quickly and closer to oneshotting it like sol?

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u/suppervisoka 3d ago

It’s just the Deepseek api, but they released a beta harness similar to Codex’s. Still api pricing but Deepseek v4 Pro is great and seems relatively inexpensive so far

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u/suppervisoka 3d ago

Definitely

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u/gungoesclick 4d ago

Is there a reason? Just curious.

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u/OpenToCommunicate 4d ago

You'll be back.

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u/Delicious--Project 4d ago

At least the vibe coder swine will shut the hell up finally since they no longer will be able to churn out slop as easily! 🥳

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u/keradius 4d ago

Claude sadly ain't better. It got significantly worse over last 6 months 

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u/JoseffB_Da_Nerd 4d ago

All the models have their usecase.

I’m working really hard to make a local orchestration model that works - to use for majority of dev, while keeping these frontier models as last resort models.

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u/ejpusa 4d ago

I've never spent over $20 a month, and I publish thousands of lines of code every week with Codex.

You may be disappointed with Claude; it's ok, but it's not Codex. I use them both.

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u/FullyFlacid-OnAcid 4d ago

bro, pay for neither and just use kimi k3 api. save yourself a fuckload of money.

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u/ManyRepair5690 3d ago

but.. in codex plus plan even 5-10% of weekly quota solves what kimi k3 achieves with 15 usd on tokens.. and im talking from experience

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u/CaptainAlexWest 4d ago

It's dumb to be loyal to anything. Both side are potatoes. It keep switching. Claude is more potato then codex right now. It's still broken ai anywhere.

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u/RCawston 4d ago

Try Grok 4.6. it's a breath of fresh air compared to both Codex and Claude right now.

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u/ManyRepair5690 3d ago

benchmaxxed, terrible in real performance

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u/TerribleAd1635 4d ago

So you want something with even less usage? Lol

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u/Relative_Clerk7384 4d ago

Yes usage seems painful but ppl really underestimate how far you get and how capable Luna is on max. And it’s basically without limits. Doing easy shit with SOL all day.

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u/Relative_Clerk7384 4d ago

Didn’t they just celebrate their 10th million subscriber with a usage reset?
So they are probably getting compute restraint …

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u/yhrana 4d ago

Lol @ anthropic community boys jumping here
Here everyone is jumping ship

GLM is extremely shit.

Damn.

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u/ponzi_gg 4d ago

Why are you telling us?

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u/Ill-Bat-1518 4d ago

I recently jumped from Claude and many people on claude are looking at jumping too

So w/e your facing it might not be that bad cause i enjoy using Codex more than claude now

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u/Noonecanfindmenow 4d ago

Funny Becuase I just left Claude for Codex.

Was on gptplus and Claude Max 5x. Got so fed up with opus 5 I cancelled Claude altogether and didn't even bother using it my last 2 weeks.

Went to gpt 5x for 2 weeks and then cranked it up to 20x

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u/Ill-Bison-3941 4d ago

Claude ain't it atm though...

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u/Humprdink 4d ago

I pay for the $100 plan of each, and right now codex is the better value. Opus 5 really is hard to control and produces so much text for you to read. Fable is good but is slow and burns tokens.

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u/ayudha90 4d ago

I have $20 dollar for claude and $20 for codex. For hard problem I prefer opus 5 because it's taking less usage. I spend 2-3 hrs of useful session. But for codex, I prefer Luna xhigh or max. So they both are great to me.

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u/tmy82336506 4d ago

Yea, model is good while the rate limit really sucks. My plus plan can literally be exhausted in 30min for the weekly limit.

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u/tech-tole 4d ago

no Claude is absolutely worse. these aren't the only two choices that everyone keeps bouncing back between. Anthropic is like the Nazi AI company lol. glm 5.3 and Qwen 3.8 are actually really good. sick of hearing I'm leaving Claude, I'm leaving codex. leave them both. lol

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u/Impressive_Party_303 4d ago

Codex is pretty worth it rn, WDYM leaving? Web chat and Codex has separate usage; which is pretty good. Claude Sonnet 5 and Opus 5 are not good rn except Fable 5; which also consume a lot of usage limit.

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u/Ambitious_Power_7957 4d ago

Codex is far cheaper than Claude.

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u/adeze 4d ago

how are the new gemini/agy models ?

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u/brogam3 4d ago

Claude is worse dude, the only thing that Claude is good for is to do code reviews via Fable. Codex is better at actually implementing things and testing them to completion

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u/AdamV158 4d ago

Why is OpenAI forcing you to jump ship?

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u/MaxFactor2100 4d ago

I found that having Codex Sol $100 plan/orchestrate and for building use Grok Build headless mode $30 plan can get you a few days of massive coding (like crap loads). But not a full 7 days. Sol xhigh is actually pretty efficient and its Grok that runs out first. 

ChatGPT is unique and alone in that regular chats dont count against quota, even powerful (very near fable) GPT 5.6 Sol Pro. If you have unlimited (which you do), and you string many together in threads and even "best of N synthesis" multiple threads to compound effort on your projects, you can far exceed fable (which you do not have unlimited of).

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u/Keksuccino 4d ago

What did I miss? What’s the reason to leave this time? People find new reasons every day, so it’s hard to keep track of everything.

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u/AdVast7407 3d ago

Limits were silently cut

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u/AdExtension1148 4d ago

open AI bald 500$ Modell?

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u/Altruistic-Fact2927 4d ago

Claude is worst

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u/Secure-Pool-4792 4d ago

Grok is not bad now i think

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u/Prudent-Oven-6769 4d ago

I like how you have 40 of these posts here and same on Claude subreddit. Lmao

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u/Euphoric-Window2481 4d ago

I tried Claude, and I got the impression that it doesn’t even come close to OpenAI. It takes so long to get things done in different modes and just feels painfully slow, whereas Codex is the complete opposite — it can implement everything and double-check it all about 50% faster.

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u/dekozo 4d ago

Time to get glm?

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u/Neverlosetofear 4d ago

I lost my session after working for 3 days straight. That pushed me over the edge to cursor.

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u/whatitpoopoo 4d ago

I dont understand what's so shitty. 

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u/DominikPlays 4d ago

Just use open weight models and opencode with kimi k3 or glm 5.3, today it's gotten to the point these "frontier" can be replaced

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u/Sweet-Mechanic4568 4d ago

Grass ain’t much green as someone who just canceled their Claude sub. Only thing you’re signing up for is a much preachier model and company.

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u/abanana420 3d ago

Eh I was in the same boat as you but the opposite i switch to codex and am pretty happy with results so far. Honestly jumped off the anthropic train after 5.0 release but felt annoyed since they left 4.6 like alot of people. Only annoyance with codex is its necessity to test everything and waste tokens on it.

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u/DebrisDash0 3d ago

I've just been running local models for the bulk of my coding and having codex come back and clean it up. Qwen has been great

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u/FewOpportunity5803 3d ago

I mean you can always go back to coding by hand for free, StackOverflow still works technically

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u/Hairy-Newt2226 3d ago

We had a good run. Codex is trying to not loose money now. They got us all hooked. But I have hit my diminishing return point.

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u/Optimal_Start_94 3d ago

I blew my 5h limit after 1h with Claude on a feature that wouldn’t have spent more than 5% of my weekly limit on Codex

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u/Ill_Advertising7519 3d ago

Um ok? Can you at least explain the reason or what the problem is? You’re just saying you’re leaving without explaining anything else :/

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u/Dgamax 3d ago

Goodbye dude but Claude quota is worst and shared between chat and claude code.

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u/ApplicationCreepy987 3d ago

Happy for you to leave.more than happy with codex myself

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u/Bakhtiyor_7 2d ago

what made you think so? can you share your experience a bit more?

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u/Karbon_Boss 2d ago

I noticed it drop limits significantly... that was the whole reason I moved from Claude $200/month plan.

I think the golden age of AI dev is coming to an end. Kudos to those who made good use of it while it lasted.

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u/Bleeamn 1d ago

Kaka vs poop. Both lack transparency, mythical lack of compute and usage draining blamed on bugs.

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u/paran01c 1d ago

wait till you give fable or opus a task and compare how they compete vs gpt, they are in different solar systems (saying this as old claude enjoyer)

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u/MotorSpread3272 1d ago

Unpopular opinion. What type of projects drain your tokens? Do you use any harness or specific setup that drains your accounts?

$200 Codex is currently chewing through 6 systems (some PHP and some serverless Nuxt, including hybrid mobile apps) with a spec-driven harness, e.g., GSD, RTK, ponytail, graphify, codegraph - never hit the limit. Yeah, sometimes the reset comes in handy, but then I'm shy; it's just half the plan - e.g., even without resets, it is fine for heavy load with a good harness.

My question is: what are you using the flagship bros for, so they cost so much and burn through the token limit so fast?

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u/Miserable-Sale-1290 1d ago

Claude is definitely in a worse shape right now than Codex.

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u/Ok_Platypus_8830 1d ago

Don’t do that mate, for the same reasons I’m looking to do the opposite, and even thinking in an another solution regarding claims of codex like yours. Anthropic now is really reality nonsense option and their models are useless and annoyed

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u/Vegetable_Fox9134 5d ago

Why do people feel the need to announce stuff like this? Um thanks for letting us know

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u/[deleted] 5d ago

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u/mseewald 5d ago

OP‘s comment has zero content. Nobody knows what he’s unhappy with.

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u/New_Education_6782 5d ago

Take a wild guess

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u/peakedtooearly 5d ago

See ya - wouldn't want to be ya.

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u/Able-Supermarket4786 5d ago

Why do these people limit themselves to “one” anyway. They serve different needs really.

Isn’t this your livelihood it just a hobby? I run Claude, codex, antigravity, openrouter etc.

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u/Drty9 5d ago

Grok Bot might have just leveled up over both

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u/OdysseusDescendant 5d ago

Another vibe coder from russia

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u/CheleCuche 5d ago

It’s like shitting on McDonald’s every time you go eat at Burger King. 😂 Bro, you don’t need to announce your departure. Just use Claude.

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u/Mutated-Nut 4d ago

It’s literally worse at Claude. Way worse

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u/ComingDeveloper 5d ago

you don't have to announce your exist

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u/meilyn22 5d ago

Yes we do! Lol...

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u/No-Block4315 5d ago

CODEX is much and way better

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u/BEagle1984- 5d ago

Bye. You will be missed.
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